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Mafia 39 - A masked affair When Seguleh Attack!!

#901 User is offline   Korlat 

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:34 AM

 Rashan, on Feb 11 2009, 09:27 AM, said:

 Kessobahn, on Feb 11 2009, 05:15 AM, said:

 Rashan, on Feb 11 2009, 05:07 AM, said:

 Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 04:40 AM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 11 2009, 05:42 AM, said:

heh
well, i'm certainly not targettin him tonight



You are targeting someone!!!

A black mask would not target anybody for fear of death me thinks!!
That only leaves....

Seriously? You've obviously not given it a lot of thought from the Blackmask's point of view then... which to me means you're a numbered guy.

Vote Korlat.


But he could be the 7th on your team for all you know O.o

So could be a whole lot of other players... 21 out of the current 24 in fact.

I know my first and third, don't know my fellow BMs and don't know my 7th. I don't know the 6 ranked guys from other teams, so there's a 1/7 chance that I'll be lynching the 7th on my team based on the assumption that Korlat is ranked. That's a longer odd than I have in lynching one of my own team when voting more or less randomly, (5 out of 24, discounting myself and first and third), so I'm willing to risk it. He can always reveal :p

Your eagerness to come up with this without doing the rudimentary maths first does confirm to me that I'm probably voting for a 1st or 3rd though :ph34r:



Huh?

I am not even bothering trying to figure out what the fuck you are talking about.
All i am saying is that since i am a fucking black mask, i need to be careful for who i vote/attack/watever tonight, if at all!!!.

Since its day one, i have allot less info to go one, so brazenly trying to attack someone tonight is very risky and in my opinion rather stupid.

I get the feeling you know i am not on your team and therefore you are finding any old excuse to vote for me.
MATH?....wow

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:35 AM

Some good points by Mockra and Kaschan. I want to make it clear that I am not symping Kaschan and he is definitely not one of my leaders so if it comes to it, I will vote to lynch him. It may be that others were genuinely symping him so he may be a leader in another faction, I have no idea. I just didn't like the way Galain was posting - as I said before, it just looks disingenious to me. Similarly, since I know that I'm not symping Kaschan, Tennes 'all these people are symping kaschan so he must be a leader' theory has the same flavour.

Since Kessobahn has appeared, I will remove vote for the time being.

Regarding the possibility that Galain is a leader and is trying to draw NK attempts, I don't think it's too much of a stretch. I've seen it work before. I guess it comes down to what we think Galain is trying to accomplish with his playstyle. If it were a normal game, he would seem to be acting like the stereotypical symp - confusing things, trying to draw attention away from his masters, unafraid of CF. But this is not a normal game so he could be a reckless BM, the equivalent of the 'roleless innocent' who just wants to have fun at all costs but as someone else said, it seems more strategic than that, at least to some of us. Now that we've talked about the possibility of Galain trying to draw NK attempts, it seems less likely that anybody will even try at this point, apart from a 1st and 3rd team. If one of those teams targetted Galain tonight, they'd know whether he was ranked (dead) or not (guarded). Actually, if he's a 7th, he'd be guarded since the 1st is two ranks above and would act first. But then, as Kaschan (I think) said, a 7th is the player with the largest pool of potential victims, potentially making them the most effective killer in the team so they'd probably be the least likely to purposely piss a bunch of people off. A 1st or 3rd can afford to be a bit reckless since there are very few that can kill them. Even a 3rd is only vulnerable to a 1st alone, a 1st + 3rd, 2 3rds, or a 3rd +7th. The latter two combos rely on luck as they can't communicate. I think it should be obvious that the leaders should act together on NK's due to the quality of information. For example:

a 1st targets somebody on their own...death means that player was a 3rd, no result means simply that the player was not a 3rd, whereas,

a 1st +3rd acting together...death means the player was a 1st or 3rd, no result means 7th or BM.

a 3rd acting alone could only kill a 7th, unless he gets really lucky and he's chosen the same target as another ranked player, in which case, he could bag a 3rd or even a first.

A 1st and 3rd would not want to accidentally kill their own 7th, so at this stage cooperating on NK attempts is clearly the superior strategy. So, that being the case, my suggestion to whichever leader team is amenable, target either Galain or Kaschan, depending on who gets lynched - I assume we're determined to lynch because of CF? Anyway, that's my suggestion at this point. Hope that makes sense.

Also, Galain claims to have not known that 1sts and 3rds could communicate, leading to his foolish case on Ano. Despite myself, this is one thing that seemed genuine coming from him so it's less likely that he's a higher rank so i dunno :ph34r: I hate Day 1. Probably Kaschan is the better option in this case, though I find him sensible. Korlat's behaviour is probably the most damning but I could understand his actions as an annoyed reaction to Galain's playstyle, which probably colours my suspicions as well.

Bah. Just thinking out loud. Hope some of this is useful but I am in no way certain of any of this. Back later.

edit: cross-posted. Catching up

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 11 February 2009 - 09:38 AM


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Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:36 AM

 Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 09:28 AM, said:

 Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 11:25 AM, said:

 Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 09:23 AM, said:

 Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 11:22 AM, said:

They think you are my leader, once they lynch you the logical step is to lynch me.
But you are not my leader, so they could be fukcing there own game up as well as mine.

So i would rather get rid of you to show that you are not my leader and hope that you are not on my side.
If you turn out to be on my side...well that would be fucked up indeed. More so if galain himself is also on my side. All because he jumped to some rather dubious conclusions.


Read again the CF rules, funny boy.



Sorry, i wasnt clear. By me voting you off, it would imply strongly that you in fact were not my leader.
If i where your symp i would not vote your ass off.

funny boy


Oh yes, good plan, THAT will convince them.

Considering the "case" is ass, they they push it simply because we now have a whole team who know we're not with them (we both voted Galain, remember), and all they need is a couple of sheep to reach majority.



Good luck :ph34r:



what else can i do?
If i defend you i get called a symp, if i vote for you i get called a symp trying to double bluff everyone.
So fuck it...you aint my leader so ill gamble.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:36 AM

Honestly, Korlat, you say you agree with my Galain scenario, and my interpretation of people's bahavior, and you still whine about fighting the accusations that you were symping me?

Are you sure you understand my point? They don't care about me being leader or you being symp, they just know we're not in their team and they build it up to get us. You gave them a fantastic opening with your strange behavior, but cut the crap about "convincing" them they are wrong.

They'll try to lynch no matter what, whether or not you're in my team they don't care, you're not with them. They'll just say "oh, distancing vote, good try" and come for you.

You say lynch them both, I say start with Galain.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:43 AM

 Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 05:20 AM, said:

 Rashan, on Feb 11 2009, 09:07 AM, said:

 Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 04:40 AM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 11 2009, 05:42 AM, said:

heh
well, i'm certainly not targettin him tonight



You are targeting someone!!!

A black mask would not target anybody for fear of death me thinks!!
That only leaves....

Seriously? You've obviously not given it a lot of thought from the Blackmask's point of view then... which to me means you're a numbered guy.

Vote Korlat.



I understood that a blackmask cant target anyone higher than himself or he will die?
Thats why i intend on not targeting anyone at night.

Am i wrong?

well now, since you ask directly and since it adds to my case that you're numbered, allow me to explain my train of thought.

You die, yes. Unless a 7th targets a 7th with you. Unless you target a 7th already targeted by a 3rd, or a 3rd already targeted by a first, or a first already targeted by 2 firsts (I'm assuming that does kill the solo first, seems logical, same goes for us BMs) or a first and a third. In all cases, the guy is dead before you target him, due to orders being resolved top level down. There's also the possibility that you're guarded already by a first or a third and your challenge doesn't get through.

If I assume we don't lynch you but a blackmask, there's a 13/23 chance that I'll target another blackmask (including ones of my own team) - meaning I'll survive unless I'm targeted by 2 blackmasks or a 7th myself. Add to that a whole lot of fractions because of all the above options, and chance at survival is good.

Secondly, by targeting I can also allow a 7th to kill another 7th, which is a big bonus.

If I'm doing nothing, I can still be killed by 7ths and 2 blackmasks. I still endanger myself, just not by targeting upwards... I'm a sitting duck waiting to get shot by players who do play aggressively, and all I can do is play symp. As opposed to being a potential ninja-symp :ph34r:

Lastly, I think my task is to play aggressively at night. As long as the other teams have a near full complement of blackmasks around, they can hide their leaders and form a voting block. The 7ths alone are not enough to erode that, for a long time, and they too can die. If my 7th dies, there's no-one around to kill blackmasks and opposing teams have a solid voting block.

As an afterthought: DiBs is the mod, he's practically suicidal, and he made a lethal set-up on purpose.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:45 AM

 Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 11:36 AM, said:

what else can i do?
If i defend you i get called a symp, if i vote for you i get called a symp trying to double bluff everyone.


Boo-hoo, poor Korlat got in trouble. Sorry if I don't sympathize. :ph34r:

Like I said, if you vote me, you just help them lynch me. Whatever team I CF, they'll say you were distancing and put pressure on you next

Lynch Galain today, that's already one less player that know you're not on their team tomorrow.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:45 AM

 Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

Honestly, Korlat, you say you agree with my Galain scenario, and my interpretation of people's bahavior, and you still whine about fighting the accusations that you were symping me?

Are you sure you understand my point? They don't care about me being leader or you being symp, they just know we're not in their team and they build it up to get us. You gave them a fantastic opening with your strange behavior, but cut the crap about "convincing" them they are wrong.

They'll try to lynch no matter what, whether or not you're in my team they don't care, you're not with them. They'll just say "oh, distancing vote, good try" and come for you.

You say lynch them both, I say start with Galain.


Bah!

Remove vote
Vote galain


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Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:48 AM

 Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 09:45 AM, said:

 Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 11:36 AM, said:

what else can i do?
If i defend you i get called a symp, if i vote for you i get called a symp trying to double bluff everyone.


Boo-hoo, poor Korlat got in trouble. Sorry if I don't sympathize. :ph34r:


Dont make me bring out the bag...you know which one you snarky bugger.

 Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 09:45 AM, said:

Like I said, if you vote me, you just help them lynch me. Whatever team I CF, they'll say you were distancing and put pressure on you next

Lynch Galain today, that's already one less player that know you're not on their team tomorrow.


I dont know galain is not on my team...thats the point, he flippen well could be.
Watever....i changed my vote so you can stop moaning now. I am restraining myself over here because i feel a pissing contest brimming at the tips of my fingers but o have work to do. :p

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:51 AM

 Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 11:48 AM, said:

 Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 09:45 AM, said:

 Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 11:36 AM, said:

what else can i do?
If i defend you i get called a symp, if i vote for you i get called a symp trying to double bluff everyone.


Boo-hoo, poor Korlat got in trouble. Sorry if I don't sympathize. :p


Dont make me bring out the bag...you know which one you snarky bugger.



Apologies, I know you don't like to share :ph34r:

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:54 AM

 Rashan, on Feb 11 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

 Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 05:20 AM, said:

 Rashan, on Feb 11 2009, 09:07 AM, said:

 Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 04:40 AM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 11 2009, 05:42 AM, said:

heh
well, i'm certainly not targettin him tonight



You are targeting someone!!!

A black mask would not target anybody for fear of death me thinks!!
That only leaves....

Seriously? You've obviously not given it a lot of thought from the Blackmask's point of view then... which to me means you're a numbered guy.

Vote Korlat.



I understood that a blackmask cant target anyone higher than himself or he will die?
Thats why i intend on not targeting anyone at night.

Am i wrong?

well now, since you ask directly and since it adds to my case that you're numbered, allow me to explain my train of thought.

You die, yes. Unless a 7th targets a 7th with you. Unless you target a 7th already targeted by a 3rd, or a 3rd already targeted by a first, or a first already targeted by 2 firsts (I'm assuming that does kill the solo first, seems logical, same goes for us BMs) or a first and a third. In all cases, the guy is dead before you target him, due to orders being resolved top level down. There's also the possibility that you're guarded already by a first or a third and your challenge doesn't get through.

If I assume we don't lynch you but a blackmask, there's a 13/23 chance that I'll target another blackmask (including ones of my own team) - meaning I'll survive unless I'm targeted by 2 blackmasks or a 7th myself. Add to that a whole lot of fractions because of all the above options, and chance at survival is good.

Secondly, by targeting I can also allow a 7th to kill another 7th, which is a big bonus.

If I'm doing nothing, I can still be killed by 7ths and 2 blackmasks. I still endanger myself, just not by targeting upwards... I'm a sitting duck waiting to get shot by players who do play aggressively, and all I can do is play symp. As opposed to being a potential ninja-symp :)

Lastly, I think my task is to play aggressively at night. As long as the other teams have a near full complement of blackmasks around, they can hide their leaders and form a voting block. The 7ths alone are not enough to erode that, for a long time, and they too can die. If my 7th dies, there's no-one around to kill blackmasks and opposing teams have a solid voting block.

As an afterthought: DiBs is the mod, he's practically suicidal, and he made a lethal set-up on purpose.



So how does this make me numbered. Any which way you look at it you still need to know whats going on regardless of being numbered or blackmask.
This is exactly why i wanted to discuss mechanics right at the beginning and then galain shut me out from then onwards.

I am under the impression that as a black mask I need to be careful. But the way you put it makes sense. Thanks.
Yet I would much rather get a cf first before i decide what to do. And my point still stands that Gay lord was rather brazen with saying who he is and isnt attacking tonight. (what the correct term....attack/vote/NA)

Make of it what you will.


edit - moved brackets to correct place

This post has been edited by Korlat: 11 February 2009 - 10:09 AM


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Posted 11 February 2009 - 10:15 AM

 Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 05:54 AM, said:

 Rashan, on Feb 11 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

 Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 05:20 AM, said:

 Rashan, on Feb 11 2009, 09:07 AM, said:

 Korlat, on Feb 11 2009, 04:40 AM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on Feb 11 2009, 05:42 AM, said:

heh
well, i'm certainly not targettin him tonight



You are targeting someone!!!

A black mask would not target anybody for fear of death me thinks!!
That only leaves....

Seriously? You've obviously not given it a lot of thought from the Blackmask's point of view then... which to me means you're a numbered guy.

Vote Korlat.



I understood that a blackmask cant target anyone higher than himself or he will die?
Thats why i intend on not targeting anyone at night.

Am i wrong?

well now, since you ask directly and since it adds to my case that you're numbered, allow me to explain my train of thought.

You die, yes. Unless a 7th targets a 7th with you. Unless you target a 7th already targeted by a 3rd, or a 3rd already targeted by a first, or a first already targeted by 2 firsts (I'm assuming that does kill the solo first, seems logical, same goes for us BMs) or a first and a third. In all cases, the guy is dead before you target him, due to orders being resolved top level down. There's also the possibility that you're guarded already by a first or a third and your challenge doesn't get through.

If I assume we don't lynch you but a blackmask, there's a 13/23 chance that I'll target another blackmask (including ones of my own team) - meaning I'll survive unless I'm targeted by 2 blackmasks or a 7th myself. Add to that a whole lot of fractions because of all the above options, and chance at survival is good.

Secondly, by targeting I can also allow a 7th to kill another 7th, which is a big bonus.

If I'm doing nothing, I can still be killed by 7ths and 2 blackmasks. I still endanger myself, just not by targeting upwards... I'm a sitting duck waiting to get shot by players who do play aggressively, and all I can do is play symp. As opposed to being a potential ninja-symp :)

Lastly, I think my task is to play aggressively at night. As long as the other teams have a near full complement of blackmasks around, they can hide their leaders and form a voting block. The 7ths alone are not enough to erode that, for a long time, and they too can die. If my 7th dies, there's no-one around to kill blackmasks and opposing teams have a solid voting block.

As an afterthought: DiBs is the mod, he's practically suicidal, and he made a lethal set-up on purpose.



So how does this make me numbered. Any which way you look at it you still need to know whats going on regardless of being numbered or blackmask.
This is exactly why i wanted to discuss mechanics right at the beginning and then galain shut me out from then onwards.

I am under the impression that as a black mask I need to be careful. But the way you put it makes sense. Thanks.
Yet I would much rather get a cf first before i decide what to do. And my point still stands that Gay lord was rather brazen with saying who he is and isnt attacking tonight.

Make of it what you will.
(what the correct term....attack/vote/NA)

It makes you numbered because you didn't think your BM role through as a BM would. The first thing I did was examine my action from all sides and see if my NA was worth anything with so many others around. The second thing I did was look and see how easily I could get killed. The third thing I did was waiting for someone to pop up who saw only the top of the iceberg - namely, a vulnerable little BM who loses against everyone else, and didn't explore further for the upsides of the role.

I assume every other Blackmask at the least saw what I did, it makes sense to go over your own role, even if they then decide to ignore it and want to pursue a less risky strategy than I do. It's the people who didn't see that and only see easy prey that are either 1sts, 3rds and (less so) 7ths, imho - why would they concern themselves deeply with a role that can't threaten them? You proved to be one who suits my reasoning, and the fact that Kesso jumped to your defense by stating I could lynch my own 7th, proved to me that he too did the calculations, and wanted to throw a fast deterrent my way.

If my reasoning was flawed, he could point it out and save you. He didn't. So, I conclude that he thought my approach was a good & reasonable one and my conclusion solid, but that he still needed to protect you.
He could hardly say you were a BM, when my conclusion is you are not. He could also not say you're a first or third, so he stuck to my line of reasoning and suggested you were possibly my team's 7th - but he wouldn't know he had to defend you if you were a 7th. Neither did he realize the odds that you're not my 7th are better than nearly anything else at this stage...

So I think Kesso is a blackmask to you, and you are a 1st or 3rd.
GL commented that he wouldn't attack a certain someone - see the quote: him (Galain, I think?) tonight. That's vastly different from not targeting anyone, and that yopu try to sell it as such reeks of despair.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 10:19 AM

Im off to bed, Ill check the thread in the morning before I go out O.o

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 10:25 AM

 Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 07:35 AM, said:

That's the thing. Tennes has quoted and exposed a bunch of players. He says this his "my team". He wants them lynched, and you seem to agree that you'll help him do that.


I explicitly said that those players are not definitely on your team. I was replying to Galayn Lord's suggestion that nobody had defended you. Galayn Lord was absolutely correct when he said that we shouldn't expect to get a ranked player lynched without a lot of resistance. Which is exactly what we're seeing here.

There's a lot of people not happy about lynching you. Which I think would be odd if you're not a leader.

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All good, except I'm not a leader. If Tennes thinks I'm a leader, he doesn't know it. Yet he's setting players for the fall just because they don't want to vote for me. Since I'm not a leader he's basically setting up random people for lynches.


Why would I want to get symps lynched? I'm after the masters, not the symps. I'm not setting those players up to be lynched at all. I'm trying to get you lynched. :)

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Now, you might say that's a dumb thing for Tennes to do, but realize one thing. The player he "fingered" as "defending me" were actually the players that voted/said they would vote Galain.


Not a dumb thing for me to do at all, because it strengthens the case against you.

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He's overplaying the "case" on me because he knows these players are not on his team. They are in the other two teams, but not Galain's.


I don't know anything about those players. I don't even know that you're not on my team. I do know that you're not one of my masters, and I suspect that you're being symped by several players.

I'm still keeping my vote where it is.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 10:30 AM

Tennes, after 6 hours of play and half the players not checked in yet, reluctance to add to a forming train does not imply reluctance to lynch. You're just using that to "add" to a "case" on me that consists of Korlat blundering strangely.

You say you don't want the players you highlighted lynched in the future? So what is your plan, once I'm dead you'll just say, OK, we're back to zero, who can we go after now? You accuse them of being my symps to bully them in voting me (you are confident I'm not in your team, I was voting Galain), and you set them up for after. Don't try to convince me otherwise.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 10:34 AM

 Tennes, on Feb 11 2009, 12:25 PM, said:

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Now, you might say that's a dumb thing for Tennes to do, but realize one thing. The player he "fingered" as "defending me" were actually the players that voted/said they would vote Galain.


Not a dumb thing for me to do at all, because it strengthens the case against you.



If a case needs to be "stengthened", why accuse all those who don't want to speed-lynch?

Your reasonning is circular. I'm so convinced that you're a leader because others are not convinced, so you must be their leader.

I prefer my scenario, i.e. you know Korlat and I are not in your team, Galain set up the train on me (he knew I was not with him as soon as I voted for him - like I said he even lectured Korlat on his vote on this being a merc game), and you knew who else was not on your team by seeing who would vote Galain or say they would be willing to.

Those players you painted target on them, while convincing them to vote me out of defensiveness.

Again, that's how I see it, it makes sense, it's not first degree like the "case" on me, and I think it more probable than the other scenario.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 10:34 AM

 Rashan, on Feb 11 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

It makes you numbered because you didn't think your BM role through as a BM would. The first thing I did was examine my action from all sides and see if my NA was worth anything with so many others around. The second thing I did was look and see how easily I could get killed. The third thing I did was waiting for someone to pop up who saw only the top of the iceberg - namely, a vulnerable little BM who loses against everyone else, and didn't explore further for the upsides of the role.

I assume every other Blackmask at the least saw what I did, it makes sense to go over your own role, even if they then decide to ignore it and want to pursue a less risky strategy than I do. It's the people who didn't see that and only see easy prey that are either 1sts, 3rds and (less so) 7ths, imho - why would they concern themselves deeply with a role that can't threaten them? You proved to be one who suits my reasoning, and the fact that Kesso jumped to your defense by stating I could lynch my own 7th, proved to me that he too did the calculations, and wanted to throw a fast deterrent my way.

If my reasoning was flawed, he could point it out and save you. He didn't. So, I conclude that he thought my approach was a good & reasonable one and my conclusion solid, but that he still needed to protect you.
He could hardly say you were a BM, when my conclusion is you are not. He could also not say you're a first or third, so he stuck to my line of reasoning and suggested you were possibly my team's 7th - but he wouldn't know he had to defend you if you were a 7th. Neither did he realize the odds that you're not my 7th are better than nearly anything else at this stage...

So I think Kesso is a blackmask to you, and you are a 1st or 3rd.
GL commented that he wouldn't attack a certain someone - see the quote: him (Galain, I think?) tonight. That's vastly different from not targeting anyone, and that yopu try to sell it as such reeks of despair.


You are looking way too much into this.
I saw i was a black mask, and thought that tactically it wouldnt be good to attack people since there is a bigger chance and therefore is a much more dangerous than any other role to do so. And left it at that.
I never analyzed it any further. My failure to do so does not make me numbered, it makes me less thorough than I should have been.

Are telling me that i am wrong in saying it is the most dangerous for a blackmask to target someone?
Just because i failed to see the value in actually going for it means nothing.
You are using my inability to see my roles full value as evidence is flawed.

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This post has been edited by Korlat: 11 February 2009 - 10:35 AM


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Posted 11 February 2009 - 10:42 AM

I get a strong feeling that i have attacked a leader in some way.
There has been a few people who are really pulling things out of there arse here to discredit me.

I feel that everytime i open my mouth someone is always there to take a huge steaming dump on what i have just said.
So I think that perhaps Galain, kaschan, Tennes or gay lord could be a leader. As they are the only ones I have said anything to, that might indicate to others that we are not on the same side.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 10:42 AM

Struggling to catch up through mountains of spam and have work related distractions for the next few hours. Will be back later.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 10:50 AM

It is day 1. You have 11 hours 30 mins remaining

there are 24 players remaining. 13 to lynch, 12 to go to night.

8 votes for kaschan (tennes, shadow, galain, fener, kessobahn, meanas, liosan, serc)
6 votes for galain (Galayn Lord, kaschan, silanah, ruse, mockra, korlat)
1 vote for hoods path (thyrllan)


Can people please use separate lines for any voting actions
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 10:53 AM

 Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 10:34 AM, said:

If a case needs to be "stengthened", why accuse all those who don't want to speed-lynch?

Your reasonning is circular. I'm so convinced that you're a leader because others are not convinced, so you must be their leader.


That isn't circular reasoning.

I see a case on you. I like it, so I vote for you. people start defending you. I point this out. Nothing circular here.

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