[Kaschan]

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 02:35 PM, said:

I'd like to point out first of all that Kaschans "I don't give a shit" vote on kascahn, has been dropped, when he was gaining other votes.

Eh?

[Galain]

Kaschan, on Feb 10 2009, 04:01 PM, said:

Galain, on Feb 10 2009, 03:58 PM, said:

In other words, self preservation vote which you're hoping people vote on me because im irritating them?

Me being spammy also gives your team a lovely excuse to hop on doesn't it...

Yup. Sure as hell don't want to get lynched, and if you're in my team then I have the satisfaction to know you've been played goooood by Korlat. But sorry, this "spoiler heaven satisfaction" stuff never attracted me.

Anyone else you see me voting? I don't want to vote for myself

Heres a little nice quote about Kaschans reasoning...

[Galain]

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 02:43 PM, said:

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 02:35 PM, said:

I'd like to point out first of all that Kaschans "I don't give a shit" vote on kascahn, has been dropped, when he was gaining other votes.

Eh?

Explained in the above post.
First korlat voted you because you weren't his leader and he didnt care, which stunk of distancing.
And then later on, he drops this vote, when you have 9 votes.
Not very surprising, imo.

[Kaschan]

Gamelon, on Feb 11 2009, 02:37 PM, said:

You have 9 votes because its Day 1 and I think its a good case.

1) Korlat made a slip it very much reads as that
2) He reacted badly to it knowing he made a mistake

Not my fault, and if you're arguing he's a noob take it with him

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3) Your receiving an aweful lot of cover from a small but select group of people.

Yes, some players said they weren't willing to speed lynch me with 30 hours left to go and more than 10 players not in yet

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4) If Galain is a leader why would be pick anyone like that to get lynched? How would he know you or Korlat or whatever aren't on his team? Its quite a stretch to make that sort of thing.

You obviously haven't read, or understood, what I said about Galain.

[Galain]

Was that the bit about self preservation, or the bit about hoping people would lynch me for being annoying?

[Telas]

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 02:35 PM, said:

Telas, on Feb 11 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

Ok, just read through 200+ posts of cases for and against Kaschan/Galain and it still isnt any clearer. Both are based on the assumption that one of them 'might' be a leader, but the evidence either way isnt all that strong. I guess things are gonna be a little harder since there's no FM or cult to we can pretend to hunt. I think I'm gonna

vote Galain

since the cases are about equal in my mind and I'm still a little pissed off about having to read 100 posts of his spam yesterday.

Please re-iterate the case on me.

You could be a leader:

Your drawing of attention could be to show your team who isnt with you.
Tennes tried to set up people who were against you as Kas's symps.
A large amount of people are strangely hesistant to vote for you and jumped (some subtly) to your defence.

The same things could be said about Kas really - if need be I'll switch to him. However, I'd like to have day last a little longer - by voting you I even out the votes between you and Kas.

Personally I'd like a couple more people to be looked at, but I havent seen anyone doing anything 'leader like' and I dont see the point of building a case on someone who I think is more than likely a blackmask.

Sorry I couldn't put all of that in my first post, technically in a class, but the lecturer has stepped out for a smoke.

[Kaschan]

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 02:43 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Feb 10 2009, 04:01 PM, said:

Galain, on Feb 10 2009, 03:58 PM, said:

In other words, self preservation vote which you're hoping people vote on me because im irritating them?

Me being spammy also gives your team a lovely excuse to hop on doesn't it...

Yup. Sure as hell don't want to get lynched, and if you're in my team then I have the satisfaction to know you've been played goooood by Korlat. But sorry, this "spoiler heaven satisfaction" stuff never attracted me.

Anyone else you see me voting? I don't want to vote for myself

Heres a little nice quote about Kaschans reasoning...

Indeed, that was yesterday when I was pissed by your spamming and wondering WTF is wrong with Korlat.

Quote the case I made earlier today after cooling down.

Funny, a few posts ago you were like "what's the case on me?" and now you show you have a pretty good thread memory

[Silanah]

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Please re-iterate the case on me.

Try read page 21. I think most of that page is dedicated to you. The case against you is spread over several posts I think.

[Kaschan]

Here's my case if indeed those that ask for it mean it:

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 08:03 AM, said:

Anyways, that's my defense. I'm leaving you with this:

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 07:47 AM, said:

Summary of the tactic:

- Galain, 1st of his team, spammer from hell to get heat, votes and night-kills.

- Gets a vote from me, his team knows I'm not with them

- As soon as he gets two votes, starts the "SYMP!" business to start the lynch.

- Tennes comes to help him and "SYMP!!" everyone who doesn't follow his master. Galain's team is 1/3 of the voting block, so they need others to get the lynch.

The alternative, i.e. lynching me, means you find more probable that

Summary of my team's tactic

- I, 1st of my tem, get annoyed at Galain and vote him.
- Korlat, thinking I somehow know all the players from my own team, follows me on the vote saying Galain is an annoying spammer
- Galain votes me, and asks Korlat why he knows he's not in his team
- Korlat says "I know, you find out"
- Korlat adds "All I know about you is that Kashan is not your leader"

All this after a couple of hours. If we'd been piling up on some player that didn't show up yet, that MIGHT have sounded more incriminating, but honestly, no symping is required for Galain to get votes at that point.

And by the way, how come Galain voted me as soon as I voted him? He knew it was a merc game (he was asking to Korlat "why you vote me, how come you know I'm not on your team?" at that time).

Well, I ask him the same, how come you knew I was not on your team?

[Gamelon]

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 01:45 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Feb 11 2009, 02:37 PM, said:

You have 9 votes because its Day 1 and I think its a good case.

1) Korlat made a slip it very much reads as that
2) He reacted badly to it knowing he made a mistake

Not my fault, and if you're arguing he's a noob take it with him

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3) Your receiving an aweful lot of cover from a small but select group of people.

Yes, some players said they weren't willing to speed lynch me with 30 hours left to go and more than 10 players not in yet

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4) If Galain is a leader why would be pick anyone like that to get lynched? How would he know you or Korlat or whatever aren't on his team? Its quite a stretch to make that sort of thing.

You obviously haven't read, or understood, what I said about Galain.

He's a noob and gave away his leader its a slip up and it happens. He's tried to cover it up but at the end of the day thats how it reads.

Its the same players who are defending you now though. Take a look at Galayn Lord and Silanah. Two fairly obvious examples who have consistently defended you.

I have read your Galain case and i'm sorry its plausible but I find the case of Korlat making a slip up just that much more likely. If I have to pick between the two for the vote, I will have to vote for you.

[Kaschan]

EDIT:

Removed because I'm not sure if that's within the rules. It was too funny, sorry.

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 11 February 2009 - 12:59 PM

[Galain]

Ok kaschan.
Firstly your point that people can't be suspicious before everyone shows up is ridiculous.
If I am the first, you really think i'd play like this?

You're the one over playing the SYMP thing. If you look back, that was a joke.

Oh, and to be honest, it doesn't matter to me if I die. My CF will prove my point. Unlike you who have admitted that you attacked me for sheer self-preservation.

This post has been edited by Galain: 11 February 2009 - 12:58 PM

[Galain]

RE: how come I know you're not on my team. I don't. I am fairly confident you're not, mainly due to korlat, and I know you're not one of my leaders.That is about as much as i'll ever be able to say though, especially day one.

This post has been edited by Galain: 11 February 2009 - 01:00 PM

[Liosan]

How will it prove your point ? all were given is house i thought

[Kaschan]

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 02:57 PM, said:

Ok kaschan.
Firstly your point that people can't be suspicious before everyone shows up is ridiculous.

Neither is not voting on the first thing that shows up, but you guys called this "strentghtening the case agaisnt me"

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If I am the first, you really think i'd play like this?

Yes, I believe it's a valid strategy. Gutsy, but fun to play with high reward/risk ratio

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You're the one over playing the SYMP thing. If you look back, that was a joke.

Well, those that didn't play the joke strengthened the case against me apparently

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Oh, and to be honest, it doesn't matter to me if I die. My CF will prove my point. Unlike you who have admitted that you attacked me for sheer self-preservation.

CF won't prove anything. It won't even prove you are wrong if I die, I'm sure you know that. As for self-preservation, that was yesterday out of piss. Notice I didn't push the lynch or asked anyone to follow then, like I'm doing now now that I articulated my thoughts (and convinced myself)

[Galain]

Are you sure?
I thought we got level?

[Kaschan]

Galain, on Feb 11 2009, 03:00 PM, said:

RE: how come I know you're not on my team. I don't. I am fairly confident you're not, mainly due to korlat, and I know you're not one of my leaders.That is about as much as i'll ever be able to say though, especially day one.

You voted me before Korlat voted you. It's actually the cornerstone of your "case"

[Galain]

Yep, kaschan, you don't need to push the lynch yourself, you just let other people do it. Thats kind of the point of being a leader, you have other people who will do that stuff for you.

[Liosan]

@ Galain lol you really havent even glanced at the OP have you ?

[Galain]

Liosan, on Feb 11 2009, 03:04 PM, said:

@ Galain lol you really havent even glanced at the OP have you ?

I browsed