[Silanah]

@GL: the symping would have to not be obvious. Otherwise people will see it for what it is.

Given more thought it doesn't make proper sense as you've pointed out.

I should think things through before posting them in future.

[Kaschan]

Mockra, on Feb 11 2009, 08:48 AM, said:

Well, I would point out that Kaschan has been jumping around trying to defend himself...but he is at L-3. Or something. So I don't think it's relevant.

To my defense, I'm not just flinging shit around just to stay alive. Of course I don't want to get lynched, but since I'm not a leader I wouldn't do anything damaging to my team to avoid it.

What I'm doing is showing why I think Galain is a better lynch target, since I'm honestly convinced he's a leader. I showed my case on him, and I think it's more solid than a first-degree symping of a random player by another random player.

[Galayn Lord]

Silanah, on Feb 11 2009, 08:00 AM, said:

@GL: the symping would have to not be obvious. Otherwise people will see it for what it is.

Given more thought it doesn't make proper sense as you've pointed out.

I should think things through before posting them in future.

lol, i don't see a problem with suggesting things on thread.
If nothing else, it stimulates some kind of discussion.
I'm fairly certain that leaders would either follow Kaschan's scenario and get out to get noticed, or they'd try to stay low and mix into with the sullen majority.

[Galayn Lord]

okay, went back to check

Kaschan has 9 votes.
Galain has 3
3 more spread in day 1 randomness.

[Galayn Lord]

also, if Galain is a leader, Shadow strikes me as another highly likely follower. He seemed to buy yhr case fully and acussed me (and I think several others) of symping Kaschan because we were looking at it critically.

[Kaschan]

"Buying" the case, whatever, I don't mind that much, it's day 1.

It's when you start pointing at others to make them fall in the future that I find over-the-top.

Like I said, if you think I'm some other team's leader, then by definition you don't know it, so anything more than a vote for me has to be justified some other way. And for all you know, I'm on your team, so at least wait until after the CF.

[Ruse]

Sorry guys, got called away during my reread. Never really made it back and now the thread is up to 21 pages. Mostly caught up. I am leaning towards voting Kaschan. He makes apoint about Tennes posts and how Tennes might be a leader, but I see it different. If Tennes is a leader why would he finger possible blackmasks of his side? His play, to me, is more indicitive of a black mask who knows his leader hasn't been put under pressure and wants and indictment of anyone thats not his leader.

[Ruse]

GL, i respect your opinion about opening other avenues.. but if Kasch goes down and wegang up on a bunch of his team, effectively eliminating one team... if he's not on my team... how is this a bad thing?

[Kaschan]

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 09:17 AM, said:

He makes apoint about Tennes posts and how Tennes might be a leader, but I see it different.

So do I

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 11 February 2009 - 07:21 AM

[Kaschan]

Ruse, are my last few posts that confusing, or did you read them too fast?

[Silanah]

I don't think Tennes is a leader, more likely a blackmask doing his job really. I don't think that deters from Kaschan's argument against Galain in any way though.

[Ruse]

@ GL

I hate to say it but after reading you, you really seem o be trying to deflect a Kaschan lynch. your reason being that it would make 1 eam ganged up on and weak. To me, this does say symp and as long as he isn't on my team come a CF I will really suspect you of being on his team come tomorrow

This post has been edited by Ruse: 11 February 2009 - 07:25 AM

[Galayn Lord]

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 08:19 AM, said:

GL, i respect your opinion about opening other avenues.. but if Kasch goes down and wegang up on a bunch of his team, effectively eliminating one team... if he's not on my team... how is this a bad thing?

well, in itself is not

however statistics are stubborn and they show that in all cases if a merc game goes that way one of the "hunting" factions quickly gains a major advantage, usually via night actions.
so, even if Kaschan's not in your faction (and provided you're not a leader chances are 5/21 that he is), you should consider all things carefully.

not to mention that the argument sorta moved past that point,

[Ruse]

Kaschan, on Feb 10 2009, 11:22 PM, said:

Ruse, are my last few posts that confusing, or did you read them too fast?

Sorry... I just "read" 21 pages in 46 minutes. There is a high probability I misread/miscomprehended something.

[Ruse]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:25 PM, said:

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 08:19 AM, said:

GL, i respect your opinion about opening other avenues.. but if Kasch goes down and wegang up on a bunch of his team, effectively eliminating one team... if he's not on my team... how is this a bad thing?

well, in itself is not

however statistics are stubborn and they show that in all cases if a merc game goes that way one of the "hunting" factions quickly gains a major advantage, usually via night actions.
so, even if Kaschan's not in your faction (and provided you're not a leader chances are 5/21 that he is), you should consider all things carefully.

not to mention that the argument sorta moved past that point,

See my post above I just flew through the thread. I'm actually pretty useless right now. I should vote Galain on Principle

[Galayn Lord]

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 08:24 AM, said:

@ GL

I hate to say it but after reading you, you really seem o be trying to deflect a Kaschan lynch. your reason being that it would make 1 eam ganged up on and weak. To me, this does say symp and as long as he isn't on my team come a CF I will really suspect you of being on his team come tomorrow

lol
for all I know, Kas COULD be on my team.
and i'm not gonna go and deny being on his team, because it gains me no credibility either way. I pointed out earlier that to a question "Are you so and so's symp?" there is no right answer.

and besides it hasn't occured to you that the more people look at me the safer my other team mates might be?

. see, you're getting tunnel visioned already, and you haven't gottena single CF yet.

[Galayn Lord]

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 08:26 AM, said:

Kaschan, on Feb 10 2009, 11:22 PM, said:

Ruse, are my last few posts that confusing, or did you read them too fast?

Sorry... I just "read" 21 pages in 46 minutes. There is a high probability I misread/miscomprehended something.

wow
I must admit, THAT is impressive.

[Galayn Lord]

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 08:28 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:25 PM, said:

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 08:19 AM, said:

GL, i respect your opinion about opening other avenues.. but if Kasch goes down and wegang up on a bunch of his team, effectively eliminating one team... if he's not on my team... how is this a bad thing?

well, in itself is not

however statistics are stubborn and they show that in all cases if a merc game goes that way one of the "hunting" factions quickly gains a major advantage, usually via night actions.
so, even if Kaschan's not in your faction (and provided you're not a leader chances are 5/21 that he is), you should consider all things carefully.

not to mention that the argument sorta moved past that point,

See my post above I just flew through the thread. I'm actually pretty useless right now. I should vote Galain on Principle

if nothing else, It might make other people think that there's still a choice and that a Kaschan lynch is not set in stone yet.
so i'd encourage it,

[Kaschan]

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 09:19 AM, said:

GL, i respect your opinion about opening other avenues.. but if Kasch goes down and wegang up on a bunch of his team, effectively eliminating one team... if he's not on my team... how is this a bad thing?

That's the thing. Tennes has quoted and exposed a bunch of players. He says this his "my team". He wants them lynched, and you seem to agree that you'll help him do that.

All good, except I'm not a leader. If Tennes thinks I'm a leader, he doesn't know it. Yet he's setting players for the fall just because they don't want to vote for me. Since I'm not a leader he's basically setting up random people for lynches.

Now, you might say that's a dumb thing for Tennes to do, but realize one thing. The player he "fingered" as "defending me" were actually the players that voted/said they would vote Galain.

He's overplaying the "case" on me because he knows these players are not on his team. They are in the other two teams, but not Galain's.

[Ruse]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 08:24 AM, said:

@ GL

I hate to say it but after reading you, you really seem o be trying to deflect a Kaschan lynch. your reason being that it would make 1 eam ganged up on and weak. To me, this does say symp and as long as he isn't on my team come a CF I will really suspect you of being on his team come tomorrow

lol
for all I know, Kas COULD be on my team.
and i'm not gonna go and deny being on his team, because it gains me no credibility either way. I pointed out earlier that to a question "Are you so and so's symp?" there is no right answer.

and besides it hasn't occured to you that the more people look at me the safer my other team mates might be?

. see, you're getting tunnel visioned already, and you haven't gottena single CF yet.

It has nothing to do with tunnel vision, it has to do with a starting point. That point being the CF. most people admit that day 1 is bumpkis. Its stupid and "cases" barely deserve that name. But based on the interactions and behavior that led to the CF.. thats where you get your real evidence and basis for real cases and guessing at team orientation. I just prefer to ake the "case" Ifind most reasonable, go with it and then start the real thinking from there. To me day 1 is a whole bunch of banging heads against walls and blind leading blind. (especially in a merc game) So honestly... i'll go where I think a lynch is likely as long as its not my leaders. and if thatstunnel vision.. well, so be it. WCS is I lose my 7th. and thats a 1/21 shot.... i'll take my chances.