[Galayn Lord]

Silanah, on Feb 11 2009, 05:43 AM, said:

Hmmm...

Looking through that Tennes post I see that I've apparently been defending Kaschan? Odd.

I was defending Korlat, but hey.

Of all those posts quoted, only Galayn Lord seems to be explicitly defending Kaschan, and even he has said that he just wants to find possible alternates.

So everyone is here now, now that Kessobahn has finally blown in. Does that mean spam time is officially dead and buried? Please?

well, untill Galain comes back, hopefully.

or untill we get a night... but nights are only an hour long (hint-hint: PROVISIONALS), so doubt that'll happen

[Galayn Lord]

Omtose, on Feb 11 2009, 05:45 AM, said:

Ruse said he was here, that was all. Maybe doing a read through?

this was how many hours ago?

[Omtose]

Silanah, on Feb 11 2009, 12:43 AM, said:

Hmmm...

Looking through that Tennes post I see that I've apparently been defending Kaschan? Odd.

I was defending Korlat, but hey.

Of all those posts quoted, only Galayn Lord seems to be explicitly defending Kaschan, and even he has said that he just wants to find possible alternates.

So everyone is here now, now that Kessobahn has finally blown in. Does that mean spam time is officially dead and buried? Please?

It seems so, since the are only 5 of us at the moment. During night 1, I'd be careful though. The fog of spam seems to roll in on night 1.

Edit: Hour long night, so I guess the spam is dead for a while. Or until Grief resurrects it...

This post has been edited by Omtose: 11 February 2009 - 05:47 AM

[Omtose]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 11 2009, 12:45 AM, said:

Omtose, on Feb 11 2009, 05:45 AM, said:

Ruse said he was here, that was all. Maybe doing a read through?

this was how many hours ago?

meh, 6 or something equally ridiculous.

[Kaschan]

And the most obvious symp of Galain is Tennes.

His strategy involves constantly quoting posts from players that don't agree with the fact that a "symp" would be that dumb, so that those players panic and add to the train of the player who voted his master.

Honestly, none of you know which team I am, since I ain't no leader. So why do you care if someone accuses you of being my symp? We're ALL symps, so that's not a case or something to be afraid of. For all you know, you're being accused of being in a different team than you are, which in a merc game is gold.

Summary of the tactic:

- Galain, 1st of his team, spammer from hell to get heat, votes and night-kills.

- Gets a vote from me, his team knows I'm not with them

- As soon as he gets two votes, starts the "SYMP!" business to start the lynch.

- Tennes comes to help him and "SYMP!!" everyone who doesn't follow his master. Galain's team is 1/3 of the voting block, so they need others to get the lynch.

[Galayn Lord]

Omtose, on Feb 11 2009, 06:46 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 11 2009, 12:45 AM, said:

Omtose, on Feb 11 2009, 05:45 AM, said:

Ruse said he was here, that was all. Maybe doing a read through?

this was how many hours ago?

meh, 6 or something equally ridiculous.

right, so he's gonna be a while then...

[Mockra]

The problem with the first/third thing is this: he can still be killed. The other Firsts can easily pick him without fear of the consequences, so if he's going to draw kills, it's to be from them, or Thirds. I can't really see any low-levels willing to go for that. Hence, why the hell would he want to draw NK's? No blackmask is going to attack him, they'd to be scared of the consequences, therefore he must be gunning for high level NK's, or isn't actually trying to get NK'd. If the former, then he is actually a low level trying to "take one for the team" by making the high levels all use their hits on him, thus leaving his other teammates unharmed.

So unless you're calling Galain stupid, like you're claiming some have been calling Korlat stupid, your theory of NK-drawing goes right out the window, or is irrelevant (because, really, what's the point in turning down a high-level lynch for a low-level one?).

As for your thing about Korlat - I must say, I'd also be happy to see a Korlat lynch. It's semi-unlikely to happen though. Of course, the one other reason Korlat could claim knowing that Galain isn't in her faction, would be if she were the First/Third - but that doesn't account for low-level members.

SO, what I'm saying, is that the most likely course of getting us a leader, Kaschan, is you. If we go for Korlat, yes, she could be a leader, but that's unlikely (due to the last paragrah), and if we go for Galain, it's also unlikely (as he's either going to get NK'd, or is just a spammer).

Bah, I still haven't voted, and could honestly go for any of you, Korlat, or Galain.

[Galayn Lord]

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 06:47 AM, said:

And the most obvious symp of Galain is Tennes.

His strategy involves constantly quoting posts from players that don't agree with the fact that a "symp" would be that dumb, so that those players panic and add to the train of the player who voted his master.

Honestly, none of you know which team I am, since I ain't no leader. So why do you care if someone accuses you of being my symp? We're ALL symps, so that's not a case or something to be afraid of. For all you know, you're being accused of being in a different team than you are, which in a merc game is gold.

Summary of the tactic:

- Galain, 1st of his team, spammer from hell to get heat, votes and night-kills.

- Gets a vote from me, his team knows I'm not with them

- As soon as he gets two votes, starts the "SYMP!" business to start the lynch.

- Tennes comes to help him and "SYMP!!" everyone who doesn't follow his master. Galain's team is 1/3 of the voting block, so they need others to get the lynch.

you think Tennes could tbe the third who actually thought this thing out with Galain?

[Mockra]

Eh, my last was a massive cross post, but it was directed at this:

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 06:38 AM, said:

Well, caught up.

Dunno what to say, honestly. Nothing about the votes on me are about anything I did or say, so what can I add?

Most of the votes are from players who see others "symping" me, and the rest are from players accused of symping me and that switch to me to prove it's not true. Talk about feeling the love

It's all about Korlat, then, so I'll have to check after the game if he framed me on purpose or by accident.

Honestly if someone votes one of your master, will you vote for him and say "Why do I know you're not on my team? It's for me to know and you to find out", when there's about 10-20 "informative" posts to investigate?

You guys are basically arguing he's very dumb, which may be why he reacted badly the way he did.

I'm voting Galain because I believe he's been in-your-face spamming like that (despite getting heat, despite mod intervention) because he wants everyone to think of him when time comes to send the night challenge action. Nobody acts like that if they don't feel invincible, i.e. he's either a a first of a 3rd (most probably a 1st).

Sadly, everyone I convince to vote Galain will end up voting for me to "respond" to the accusations of symping me

Look also how many people went to agree with Galain and his "case", that was way more easy that it should have been, and got much less scrutiny than it should have, simply because I believe the real reason I get those votes is because I'm a "safe" lynch for Galain's symps, nothing to do with the weak and baseless case, but because I voted first for Galain in this game (then voted him again).

That is all, I do care not to be lynched, but since like I said it has nothing to do with me, what can I say? Just this: tonight, nobody targets Galain, and lynch him tomorrow. He will have wasted his strategy

[Kaschan]

Mockra, on Feb 11 2009, 07:48 AM, said:

So unless you're calling Galain stupid, like you're claiming some have been calling Korlat stupid, your theory of NK-drawing goes right out the window, or is irrelevant (because, really, what's the point in turning down a high-level lynch for a low-level one?).

Are you kidding? I'm calling him smart. Galain has the exact game I would have played if I had been a 1st. Every vote he gets, his team know who's not with them, so he HAS to go out there and drop his pants and shake his ass.

As for NK, his odds of dying are so slim it's worth the attempt. And even if he dies night 1 after getting 5-6 votes on day 1, he's played and excellent game for his team.

[Galayn Lord]

Mockra, on Feb 11 2009, 06:48 AM, said:

The problem with the first/third thing is this: he can still be killed. The other Firsts can easily pick him without fear of the consequences, so if he's going to draw kills, it's to be from them, or Thirds. I can't really see any low-levels willing to go for that. Hence, why the hell would he want to draw NK's? No blackmask is going to attack him, they'd to be scared of the consequences, therefore he must be gunning for high level NK's, or isn't actually trying to get NK'd. If the former, then he is actually a low level trying to "take one for the team" by making the high levels all use their hits on him, thus leaving his other teammates unharmed.

So unless you're calling Galain stupid, like you're claiming some have been calling Korlat stupid, your theory of NK-drawing goes right out the window, or is irrelevant (because, really, what's the point in turning down a high-level lynch for a low-level one?).

As for your thing about Korlat - I must say, I'd also be happy to see a Korlat lynch. It's semi-unlikely to happen though. Of course, the one other reason Korlat could claim knowing that Galain isn't in her faction, would be if she were the First/Third - but that doesn't account for low-level members.

SO, what I'm saying, is that the most likely course of getting us a leader, Kaschan, is you. If we go for Korlat, yes, she could be a leader, but that's unlikely (due to the last paragrah), and if we go for Galain, it's also unlikely (as he's either going to get NK'd, or is just a spammer).

Bah, I still haven't voted, and could honestly go for any of you, Korlat, or Galain.

I'm fairly certain I know who Korlat is and they're no noob.
this makes me question the "stupid Korlat revealed leader so soon" idea.

[Galayn Lord]

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 06:52 AM, said:

Mockra, on Feb 11 2009, 07:48 AM, said:

So unless you're calling Galain stupid, like you're claiming some have been calling Korlat stupid, your theory of NK-drawing goes right out the window, or is irrelevant (because, really, what's the point in turning down a high-level lynch for a low-level one?).

Are you kidding? I'm calling him smart. Galain has the exact game I would have played if I had been a 1st. Every vote he gets, his team know who's not with them, so he HAS to go out there and drop his pants and shake his ass.

As for NK, his odds of dying are so slim it's worth the attempt. And even if he dies night 1 after getting 5-6 votes on day 1, he's played and excellent game for his team.

I believe that's how JA played game 31...

[Kaschan]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 11 2009, 07:49 AM, said:

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 06:47 AM, said:

And the most obvious symp of Galain is Tennes.

His strategy involves constantly quoting posts from players that don't agree with the fact that a "symp" would be that dumb, so that those players panic and add to the train of the player who voted his master.

Honestly, none of you know which team I am, since I ain't no leader. So why do you care if someone accuses you of being my symp? We're ALL symps, so that's not a case or something to be afraid of. For all you know, you're being accused of being in a different team than you are, which in a merc game is gold.

Summary of the tactic:

- Galain, 1st of his team, spammer from hell to get heat, votes and night-kills.

- Gets a vote from me, his team knows I'm not with them

- As soon as he gets two votes, starts the "SYMP!" business to start the lynch.

- Tennes comes to help him and "SYMP!!" everyone who doesn't follow his master. Galain's team is 1/3 of the voting block, so they need others to get the lynch.

you think Tennes could tbe the third who actually thought this thing out with Galain?

No need, he could just run with it once he saw it shaping up.

Honestly, who goes and quote everyone's posts that don't agree with another player and tags "SYMP" to all the quoted? He's doing this because he knows that for some reason the players will freak out. Korlat sure did.

[Kaschan]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 11 2009, 07:54 AM, said:

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 06:52 AM, said:

Mockra, on Feb 11 2009, 07:48 AM, said:

So unless you're calling Galain stupid, like you're claiming some have been calling Korlat stupid, your theory of NK-drawing goes right out the window, or is irrelevant (because, really, what's the point in turning down a high-level lynch for a low-level one?).

Are you kidding? I'm calling him smart. Galain has the exact game I would have played if I had been a 1st. Every vote he gets, his team know who's not with them, so he HAS to go out there and drop his pants and shake his ass.

As for NK, his odds of dying are so slim it's worth the attempt. And even if he dies night 1 after getting 5-6 votes on day 1, he's played and excellent game for his team.

I believe that's how JA played game 31...

The only "night" power the 1st has is to possibly kill 4 of the other players (2 of them with some help), so he's not that important to keep alive at all costs. His job is to draw the heat and show his team the ennemy.

[Silanah]

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 07:52 AM, said:

Mockra, on Feb 11 2009, 07:48 AM, said:

So unless you're calling Galain stupid, like you're claiming some have been calling Korlat stupid, your theory of NK-drawing goes right out the window, or is irrelevant (because, really, what's the point in turning down a high-level lynch for a low-level one?).

Are you kidding? I'm calling him smart. Galain has the exact game I would have played if I had been a 1st. Every vote he gets, his team know who's not with them, so he HAS to go out there and drop his pants and shake his ass.

As for NK, his odds of dying are so slim it's worth the attempt. And even if he dies night 1 after getting 5-6 votes on day 1, he's played and excellent game for his team.

I agree strongly with this, which is why my vote is currently on Galain. It would take balls to play a first like that, but as long as your team catches on you should place the team in a position of great strength.

[Mockra]

What, GL, are your alternatives, then? He trying to deflect a lynch onto Kaschan. Then? What? For a start, we are second guess his motives. Now, I'm not saying that he's stupid, or that he's a n00b, or that he even made a slip up. The point is that we are most likely to get a leader lynch from Kaschan.

@Kaschan - really? You think losing a First is doing good? Plus, it's really not that hard to get him NK'd, when there are two other Firsts, and two other Thirds, any combination of which ('cept two Thirds) he'll die from. I'd rather risk losing a blackmask than a First, even if it does save some people. Because, of course, you are saying that he's playing a WCS with NK's - that all other high levels target someone from his faction. That's unlikely.

[Galayn Lord]

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 06:54 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 11 2009, 07:49 AM, said:

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 06:47 AM, said:

And the most obvious symp of Galain is Tennes.

His strategy involves constantly quoting posts from players that don't agree with the fact that a "symp" would be that dumb, so that those players panic and add to the train of the player who voted his master.

Honestly, none of you know which team I am, since I ain't no leader. So why do you care if someone accuses you of being my symp? We're ALL symps, so that's not a case or something to be afraid of. For all you know, you're being accused of being in a different team than you are, which in a merc game is gold.

Summary of the tactic:

- Galain, 1st of his team, spammer from hell to get heat, votes and night-kills.

- Gets a vote from me, his team knows I'm not with them

- As soon as he gets two votes, starts the "SYMP!" business to start the lynch.

- Tennes comes to help him and "SYMP!!" everyone who doesn't follow his master. Galain's team is 1/3 of the voting block, so they need others to get the lynch.

you think Tennes could tbe the third who actually thought this thing out with Galain?

No need, he could just run with it once he saw it shaping up.

Honestly, who goes and quote everyone's posts that don't agree with another player and tags "SYMP" to all the quoted? He's doing this because he knows that for some reason the players will freak out. Korlat sure did.

can anyone point me to that post?
i'm now curious if he named more than 7 names....

[Galayn Lord]

Mockra, on Feb 11 2009, 06:57 AM, said:

What, GL, are your alternatives, then? He trying to deflect a lynch onto Kaschan. Then? What? For a start, we are second guess his motives. Now, I'm not saying that he's stupid, or that he's a n00b, or that he even made a slip up. The point is that we are most likely to get a leader lynch from Kaschan.

@Kaschan - really? You think losing a First is doing good? Plus, it's really not that hard to get him NK'd, when there are two other Firsts, and two other Thirds, any combination of which ('cept two Thirds) he'll die from. I'd rather risk losing a blackmask than a First, even if it does save some people. Because, of course, you are saying that he's playing a WCS with NK's - that all other high levels target someone from his faction. That's unlikely.

At the moment, my alternative is Galain.

I haven't seen any other leader material out there yet.
and it seems too convenient that we find a leader this early. far too good to be true.

[Kaschan]

Anyways, that's my defense. I'm leaving you with this:

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 07:47 AM, said:

Summary of the tactic:

- Galain, 1st of his team, spammer from hell to get heat, votes and night-kills.

- Gets a vote from me, his team knows I'm not with them

- As soon as he gets two votes, starts the "SYMP!" business to start the lynch.

- Tennes comes to help him and "SYMP!!" everyone who doesn't follow his master. Galain's team is 1/3 of the voting block, so they need others to get the lynch.

The alternative, i.e. lynching me, means you find more probable that

Summary of my team's tactic

- I, 1st of my tem, get annoyed at Galain and vote him.
- Korlat, thinking I somehow know all the players from my own team, follows me on the vote saying Galain is an annoying spammer
- Galain votes me, and asks Korlat why he knows he's not in his team
- Korlat says "I know, you find out"
- Korlat adds "All I know about you is that Kashan is not your leader"

All this after a couple of hours. If we'd been piling up on some player that didn't show up yet, that MIGHT have sounded more incriminating, but honestly, no symping is required for Galain to get votes at that point.

And by the way, how come Galain voted me as soon as I voted him? He knew it was a merc game (he was asking to Korlat "why you vote me, how come you know I'm not on your team?" at that time).

Well, I ask him the same, how come you knew I was not on your team?

[Mockra]

Oh, touche, Kaschan.

Very good.

That makes me want to vote Galain.