[Galayn Lord]

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 08:24 AM, said:

@ GL

I hate to say it but after reading you, you really seem o be trying to deflect a Kaschan lynch. your reason being that it would make 1 eam ganged up on and weak. To me, this does say symp and as long as he isn't on my team come a CF I will really suspect you of being on his team come tomorrow

lol
for all I know, Kas COULD be on my team.
and i'm not gonna go and deny being on his team, because it gains me no credibility either way. I pointed out earlier that to a question "Are you so and so's symp?" there is no right answer.

and besides it hasn't occured to you that the more people look at me the safer my other team mates might be?

. see, you're getting tunnel visioned already, and you haven't gottena single CF yet.

It has nothing to do with tunnel vision, it has to do with a starting point. That point being the CF. most people admit that day 1 is bumpkis. Its stupid and "cases" barely deserve that name. But based on the interactions and behavior that led to the CF.. thats where you get your real evidence and basis for real cases and guessing at team orientation. I just prefer to ake the "case" Ifind most reasonable, go with it and then start the real thinking from there. To me day 1 is a whole bunch of banging heads against walls and blind leading blind. (especially in a merc game) So honestly... i'll go where I think a lynch is likely as long as its not my leaders. and if thatstunnel vision.. well, so be it. WCS is I lose my 7th. and thats a 1/21 shot.... i'll take my chances.

and we have the first reveal of the game,

seriously, though, I concur with Day 1 cases being useless. however, even useless can be categorized. no matter what i think of Day 1 cases, I still tend to go for the strongest case. in this game especially--in the 21 pages you skimmed we've established that WCS there could be over 10 deaths tonight. So I don't see much point in pushing for a lynch that desperately, and i'll stick with the case I feel strongest about and at the moment it's not kaschan

[Kaschan]

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

But based on the interactions and behavior that led to the CF.. thats where you get your real evidence and basis for real cases and guessing at team orientation.

That would be the 21 pages you read in 46 minutes, managing to "summarize" my arguments from one page back completely the wrong way?

Good luck


If anything, removing the spambot would make your life easier, so if he's not your leader either what do you care?

[Ruse]

Kaschan, on Feb 10 2009, 11:35 PM, said:

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 09:19 AM, said:

GL, i respect your opinion about opening other avenues.. but if Kasch goes down and wegang up on a bunch of his team, effectively eliminating one team... if he's not on my team... how is this a bad thing?

That's the thing. Tennes has quoted and exposed a bunch of players. He says this his "my team". He wants them lynched, and you seem to agree that you'll help him do that.

All good, except I'm not a leader. If Tennes thinks I'm a leader, he doesn't know it. Yet he's setting players for the fall just because they don't want to vote for me. Since I'm not a leader he's basically setting up random people for lynches.

Now, you might say that's a dumb thing for Tennes to do, but realize one thing. The player he "fingered" as "defending me" were actually the players that voted/said they would vote Galain.

He's overplaying the "case" on me because he knows these players are not on his team. They are in the other two teams, but not Galain's.

This is a good point, and part of the reason I haven't voted for you yet. I still might vote Galain ( and I am not going to lie when I say that the fact that we won't have to go through 10 pages of posts to get to 1 coherent argument is definately a factor.) I feel bad for ppl whose first game this is. absolutely painful.



Actually whatever.



vote Galain

to give another option and maybe not have to wade through the shit for the rest of the game. (happy GL?) i'll try to be back before deadline to switch to Kaschan if my vote is needed. I am happy with either lynch

[Kaschan]

Cross-post.

Good then

[Galayn Lord]

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 08:45 AM, said:

Kaschan, on Feb 10 2009, 11:35 PM, said:

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 09:19 AM, said:

GL, i respect your opinion about opening other avenues.. but if Kasch goes down and wegang up on a bunch of his team, effectively eliminating one team... if he's not on my team... how is this a bad thing?

That's the thing. Tennes has quoted and exposed a bunch of players. He says this his "my team". He wants them lynched, and you seem to agree that you'll help him do that.

All good, except I'm not a leader. If Tennes thinks I'm a leader, he doesn't know it. Yet he's setting players for the fall just because they don't want to vote for me. Since I'm not a leader he's basically setting up random people for lynches.

Now, you might say that's a dumb thing for Tennes to do, but realize one thing. The player he "fingered" as "defending me" were actually the players that voted/said they would vote Galain.

He's overplaying the "case" on me because he knows these players are not on his team. They are in the other two teams, but not Galain's.

This is a good point, and part of the reason I haven't voted for you yet. I still might vote Galain ( and I am not going to lie when I say that the fact that we won't have to go through 10 pages of posts to get to 1 coherent argument is definately a factor.) I feel bad for ppl whose first game this is. absolutely painful.



Actually whatever.



vote Galain

to give another option and maybe not have to wade through the shit for the rest of the game. (happy GL?) i'll try to be back before deadline to switch to Kaschan if my vote is needed. I am happy with either lynch

extatic. I'd break out into song and dance if I didn't know that my awoken housemates would kill me

in all seriousness, it's always good to have options. I'd hate to go to bed (which I still intend to, though the point of why gets less clear with each passing minute) and then wake up to see a lynch where the last 4 votes were "oh, well I just caught up, I see that the train's on kaschan and he's looking like the only likely lynch, so i'll vote him" x 4.

and yeah, by my reckoning we have another 16 hours to go, so i'm sure you'll hagve time to switch, if you so desire.

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 11 February 2009 - 07:51 AM

[Ruse]

Kaschan, on Feb 10 2009, 11:44 PM, said:

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

But based on the interactions and behavior that led to the CF.. thats where you get your real evidence and basis for real cases and guessing at team orientation.

That would be the 21 pages you read in 46 minutes, managing to "summarize" my arguments from one page back completely the wrong way?

Good luck


If anything, removing the spambot would make your life easier, so if he's not your leader either what do you care?

See my vote. and like I said.. its day 1. I could give a rats ass who we vote for as long as we have ample interaction leading up to that point and its not my leaders. I don't start to play till day 2. Your sarcasm is noted, logged, and appreciated. I'm not the one that put up 21 pages of mostly Drivel for ppl to wade through. I just have to deal with it.

[Kessobahn]

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 03:44 AM, said:

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

But based on the interactions and behavior that led to the CF.. thats where you get your real evidence and basis for real cases and guessing at team orientation.

That would be the 21 pages you read in 46 minutes, managing to "summarize" my arguments from one page back completely the wrong way?

Good luck


If anything, removing the spambot would make your life easier, so if he's not your leader either what do you care?

If you are not his leader, why should he not vote for you instead? Same concept -.-

[Ruse]

I'm out. unless someone has something to run by me I am out for 8 hrs.

[Kaschan]

Kessobahn, on Feb 11 2009, 09:53 AM, said:

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 03:44 AM, said:

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

But based on the interactions and behavior that led to the CF.. thats where you get your real evidence and basis for real cases and guessing at team orientation.

That would be the 21 pages you read in 46 minutes, managing to "summarize" my arguments from one page back completely the wrong way?

Good luck


If anything, removing the spambot would make your life easier, so if he's not your leader either what do you care?

If you are not his leader, why should he not vote for you instead? Same concept -.-

Well then, read the cases, and decide, because not voting for your leader is not the hardest thing to do in this game.

Voting for someone not in your team, and if possible someone else's leader, now that's a good bonus.

[Galayn Lord]

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 08:54 AM, said:

I'm out. unless someone has something to run by me I am out for 8 hrs.

see you in 8 hours then..

[Silanah]

Whoosh, Kessobahn is here.

It is the same concept, but I think it is important on day 1 to maximise the discussion so that even if a crappy lynch is made, it leads to genuine consequences on the following days. If everyone just piles on one case we learn very little.

[Kessobahn]

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 03:55 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Feb 11 2009, 09:53 AM, said:

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 03:44 AM, said:

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

But based on the interactions and behavior that led to the CF.. thats where you get your real evidence and basis for real cases and guessing at team orientation.

That would be the 21 pages you read in 46 minutes, managing to "summarize" my arguments from one page back completely the wrong way?

Good luck


If anything, removing the spambot would make your life easier, so if he's not your leader either what do you care?

If you are not his leader, why should he not vote for you instead? Same concept -.-

Well then, read the cases, and decide, because not voting for your leader is not the hardest thing to do in this game.

Voting for someone not in your team, and if possible someone else's leader, now that's a good bonus.

But to place a vote somewhere else rather than a close lynch to someone that is not on you team doesn't seem the smartest idea. Placing a lynch on you with the most evidence against you would be the right thing to do for anyone that is not under your command. The effort is all we need to see who is symping you.

[Kessobahn]

Silanah, on Feb 11 2009, 04:00 AM, said:

Whoosh, Kessobahn is here.

It is the same concept, but I think it is important on day 1 to maximise the discussion so that even if a crappy lynch is made, it leads to genuine consequences on the following days. If everyone just piles on one case we learn very little.

Piling on one case tells us exactly who doesn't want Kaschan lynched, how is that not little?

[Galayn Lord]

Kessobahn, on Feb 11 2009, 09:01 AM, said:

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 03:55 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Feb 11 2009, 09:53 AM, said:

Kaschan, on Feb 11 2009, 03:44 AM, said:

Ruse, on Feb 11 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

But based on the interactions and behavior that led to the CF.. thats where you get your real evidence and basis for real cases and guessing at team orientation.

That would be the 21 pages you read in 46 minutes, managing to "summarize" my arguments from one page back completely the wrong way?

Good luck


If anything, removing the spambot would make your life easier, so if he's not your leader either what do you care?

If you are not his leader, why should he not vote for you instead? Same concept -.-

Well then, read the cases, and decide, because not voting for your leader is not the hardest thing to do in this game.

Voting for someone not in your team, and if possible someone else's leader, now that's a good bonus.

But to place a vote somewhere else rather than a close lynch to someone that is not on you team doesn't seem the smartest idea. Placing a lynch on you with the most evidence against you would be the right thing to do for anyone that is not under your command. The effort is all we need to see who is symping you.

for the nth time, I consider that an oversimplification.
not everyone who diasgrees with a case that's leading at the moment must the connected to the accused.

[Kaschan]

And, by the way, what's with this obsession about me?

Tennes was painting fat targets on those who didn't want to vote me when there was 30 hours left in the day, and now Kessobahn is doing the same when there's at least 12-14 hours.

Good for you if you're THAT sure that the "case" on me is super duper solid and that everyone should be convinced as you are. I prefer my alternate theory, which is that you guys don't realize how not-so-obvious it is for players that don't have Galain as a leader that I'm not on their team.

Artificially blowing the case and harassing the non-voters worked on getting extra votes on me, but you overdid it a bit IMO.

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 11 February 2009 - 08:07 AM

[Galayn Lord]

Kessobahn, on Feb 11 2009, 09:02 AM, said:

Silanah, on Feb 11 2009, 04:00 AM, said:

Whoosh, Kessobahn is here.

It is the same concept, but I think it is important on day 1 to maximise the discussion so that even if a crappy lynch is made, it leads to genuine consequences on the following days. If everyone just piles on one case we learn very little.

Piling on one case tells us exactly who doesn't want Kaschan lynched, how is that not little?

because your assumption of kaschan being a leader may be faulty to begin with. with the CF the way it is only way to know is to die and go to spoilers.

[Kaschan]

I mean look at this:

Kessobahn, on Feb 11 2009, 10:01 AM, said:

But to place a vote somewhere else rather than a close lynch to someone that is not on you team doesn't seem the smartest idea. Placing a lynch on you with the most evidence against you would be the right thing to do for anyone that is not under your command. The effort is all we need to see who is symping you.

Humor me, restate the case in your own words.

[Kessobahn]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 11 2009, 04:07 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Feb 11 2009, 09:02 AM, said:

Silanah, on Feb 11 2009, 04:00 AM, said:

Whoosh, Kessobahn is here.

It is the same concept, but I think it is important on day 1 to maximise the discussion so that even if a crappy lynch is made, it leads to genuine consequences on the following days. If everyone just piles on one case we learn very little.

Piling on one case tells us exactly who doesn't want Kaschan lynched, how is that not little?

because your assumption of kaschan being a leader may be faulty to begin with. with the CF the way it is only way to know is to die and go to spoilers.

He is not my leader and we have seen evidence that he could be seen as a leader. Therefore he is the best lynch for today as there is a 66% chance that he is not of my team. Simple as that.

[Galayn Lord]

lol
I have seen the evidence.
it did not strike me as strong.

must I still vote for him or am I allowed to vote for someone else not my leader whom I believe has stronger chances of being one?

[Kaschan]

And by the way, where is Korlat?

I would like him to remove his vote on me. We both made the mistake of voting for a leader, and now they're setting us for lynches. It's not my fault if for that they had to argue he's a moron, so he should take it out on his love pillow, not on me