[QuickTidal]

TheRetiredBridgeburner, on 01 March 2023 - 07:07 AM, said:

Jackson's films were lightning in a bottle, we won't see another trilogy that strong for a very long time

This is 100% accurate. Those films cemented themselves into film history pretty cleanly.

Also, I like the HOBBIT trilogy, even realizing that they aren't as good as LOTR by about half...I still get a lot of joy from them.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 01 March 2023 - 01:26 PM

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TheRetiredBridgeburner, on 01 March 2023 - 07:07 AM, said:

I will give the second series of Rings of Power a try when it gets here, but I was pretty unimpressed with it overall so I don't have a lot of hope of any further adaptions.

Jackson's films were lightning in a bottle, we won't see another trilogy that strong for a very long time (as shown rather aptly by how mediocre the Hobbit trilogy was). I might not be the sort of Tolkien fan who was frothing at the mouth all over the internet about Rings of Power, but at the same time I like the source material too much to want to see it messed with carelessly - and I felt Rings of Power, despite some of it's good points, didn't really understand the spirit of the source material and it showed. That's how we got Galadriel the Stroppy Teenager.

It's uncanny how much we agree. I rewatched the first season, and I liked it better. The creators are definitely Tolkien geeks, and they are actually true to the facts of the books -- I unsuccessfully looked for my copy of Return of the King -- but you are spot-on about the spirit of the source material.

There is probably room for the telling of good stories. Hell, Andor is fantastic, pretty much better than anything in the SW universe. I can see a series about the Rangers, focusing on the early days of Aragorn. Or not.

[amphibian]

Galadriel being stroppy isn't a problem to me, it's her coming off as a teenager instead of a multi hundred year old being. The most interesting portions of the show were when people were doing big dramatic things because they could due to magic and millennia long life spans, but Galadriel didn't really get to do much beyond the "go to the really cold evil place where everyone mutinied" and "be stuck in places talking to people in a fashion much worse than her centuries of life would suggest".

The Mormon stuff also makes things a bit weird with the special underwear, the Rapture of the elves etc.

[Tsundoku]

Guy on Pub Crawl Dressed as Gandalf Bumps into ‘Real’ Ian McKellen For Best Birthday Surprise Ever



https://www.goodnews...en-on-birthday/

[Tsundoku]

Hmmmmmmmmm ...

[Cyphon]

The two towers opening is as blatant milking as you'll see.

[worry]

True, but at the same time, I'd wager 90% of the people who watched and enjoyed the LOTR trilogy could not tell you what the word "Rohirrim" refers to without that reminder.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Actually doesn't look half bad.

[Abyss]

Hate to say it, but I'm sold.

[Macros]

Not normally my thing but actually looks like it could be good.

I mean, can't be worse than the hobbit trilogy right?

[HoosierDaddy]

Macros, on 26 August 2024 - 05:20 PM, said:

Not normally my thing but actually looks like it could be good.

I mean, can't be worse than the hobbit trilogy right?

Ugh. They ruined what could have been a wonderful 2.5 hour movie. or 2x2 hour movies.

[Cause]

Is this based on any of the extra history that is floating around or is this amazons creation. I am leaning towards the later but there is a lot of Tolkien Lore I have never seen.

[D'rek]

Cause, on 26 August 2024 - 07:54 PM, said:

Is this based on any of the extra history that is floating around or is this amazons creation. I am leaning towards the later but there is a lot of Tolkien Lore I have never seen.

There's a paragraph or two somewhere in the appendices that say when Helm Hammerhand ruled Rohan the leader of the Dunedains tried to forcefully arrange a marriage between his son and Helm's daughter, which was refused and lead to a war between Rohan and Dunland. So that basis for the story of the movie does come from canonical lore, but then all the details are newly made up.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

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The [Tolkien generated spectral skeleton of the] story is mostly taken from The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, Appendix A: Annals of the Kings and Rulers. Along with added descriptions found in Appendix B: The Tales of Years and in the body of The Two Towers, it encompasses some four pages of text. Significantly, ALL the [Tolkien generated] material pertaining to this story is in The Lord of the Rings[...]

[...] the scribes of The War of the Rohirrim, Arty Papageorgiou and Phoebe Gittins, will co-write The Hunt for Gollum, something that could be seen as a vote of confidence by p[r]oducers [Peter] Jackson and Walsh in their anime screenplay. [...] The Hunt for Gollum [is expected to] come out in 2026

The War of the Rohirrim - Everything we REALLY know so far : r/lordoftherings (reddit.com)

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Here's the section of Appendix A the film is mainly drawing on:

[MAJOR SPOILERS] What 'The War of the Rohirrim' is based on - Tolkien's writings within : r/TWOTR (reddit.com)

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"You have grown big since you were last here; but it is mostly fat, I guess"; and men laughed at that, for Freca was wide in the belt.

'Then Freca fell in a rage and reviled the king [...] Helm stood up and laid his great hand on Freca's shoulder, saying: "The king does not permit brawls in his house, but men are freer outside"; and he forced Freca to walk before him out from Edoras into the field. [...]
"Freca, your folly has grown with your belly." [...] he smote Freca such a blow with his fist that he fell back stunned, and died soon after.

Helm then proclaimed Freca's son and near kin the king's enemies; and they fled, for at once Helm sent many men riding to the west marches.

[...] The Rohirrim were defeated and their land was overrun; and those who were not slain or enslaved fled to the dales of the mountains. Helm was driven back with great loss [...] he was besieged. Wulf took Edoras and sat in Meduseld and called himself king. [...] the Long Winter began, and Rohan lay under snow [...] famine and grief [... Helm] would go out by himself, clad in white, [...] into the camps of his enemies, and slay many men with his hands. It was believed that if he bore no weapon no weapon would bite on him. The Dunlendings said that if he could find no food he ate men. [...] Helm had a great horn, and soon it was marked that before he sallied forth he would blow a blast upon it that echoed in the Deep; and then so great a fear fell on his enemies that instead of gathering to take him or kill him they fled [...]

'One night men heard the horn blowing, but Helm did not return. In the morning there came a sun-gleam, the first for long days, and they saw a white figure standing still [...] alone, for none of the Dunlendings dared come near. There stood Helm, dead as a stone, but his knees were unbent. Yet men said that the horn was still heard at times in the Deep and the wraith of Helm would walk among the foes of Rohan and kill men with fear. [... but it's actually his daughter Arya Stark / Frozen princess / holy Mary or whoever hybrid]

[Tsundoku]

Damn, I didn't know Sir Ian was 85! And looking to lace up Gandalf's boots again!

https://www.news.com...d3f00ea9fc7f4e6

Dunno what to think about this "Hunt for Gollum" ...

[QuickTidal]

So we know about THE HUNT FOR GOLLUM, which I'm excite about since I trust Andy Serkis, and Ian McKellen....but today Peter Jackson announced that they are making another LOTR movie called SHADOWS OF THE PAST, which is being co-written by LOTR nerd, lore master Stephen Colbert (!!) and his son...and will apparently take place 14 years after Frodo's death, Sam, Merry, and Pippin go and retrace their steps of that adventure, but it will be diving into the portions of the story that the movies didn't, Tom Bombadil the Barrow Downs ect. (which is a neat idea) and Sam's daughter Elanor uncovering a long-lost secret about the early days of the War of the Ring that almost saw the mission to destroy the One Ring doomed before it even really began. Out of all the way I thought you could adapt those missing pieces of the narrative into a film, using the hobbits later in life revisiting the story is a neat way to go about it.

I HOPE this means that Sean, Billy, and Dom are going to come back playing age-apprpporiate older versions of themselves! And I would assume that Alexandra Astin would be considered to reprise Elanor?

So I am excited about HUNT, but this sounds ever more awesome and I trust both Jackson and Colbert to try do it justice.

[worry]

It's an interesting idea.

[Tiste Simeon]

QuickTidal, on 25 March 2026 - 12:06 PM, said:

So we know about THE HUNT FOR GOLLUM, which I'm excite about since I trust Andy Serkis, and Ian McKellen....but today Peter Jackson announced that they are making another LOTR movie called SHADOWS OF THE PAST, which is being co-written by LOTR nerd, lore master Stephen Colbert (!!) and his son...and will apparently take place 14 years after Frodo's death, Sam, Merry, and Pippin go and retrace their steps of that adventure, but it will be diving into the portions of the story that the movies didn't, Tom Bombadil the Barrow Downs ect. (which is a neat idea) and Sam's daughter Elanor uncovering a long-lost secret about the early days of the War of the Ring that almost saw the mission to destroy the One Ring doomed before it even really began. Out of all the way I thought you could adapt those missing pieces of the narrative into a film, using the hobbits later in life revisiting the story is a neat way to go about it.

I HOPE this means that Sean, Billy, and Dom are going to come back playing age-apprpporiate older versions of themselves! And I would assume that Alexandra Astin would be considered to reprise Elanor?

So I am excited about HUNT, but this sounds ever more awesome and I trust both Jackson and Colbert to try do it justice.

I'm sure this will get loads of hate from various aspects of the fandom but my opinion is that I will literally watch everything Middle Earth related. If I like it, great! If I don't, fine, I'll just not watch it again.

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worry, on 25 March 2026 - 12:51 PM, said:

It's an interesting idea.

It is an idea, that's for certain.