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Posted 04 February 2009 - 11:19 PM

I love the extended versions. Sure, they're not perfect recreations of the books but that's okay. We'll never see a better stab at 'em.
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Posted 04 February 2009 - 11:27 PM

Minas Tirith (pronounced /ˈmɪnəs ˈtɪrɪθ/), originally named Minas Anor, is a fictional city in J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth writings. It became the heavily fortified capital of Gondor in the second half of the Third Age. It was originally built to guard the former capital of Gondor, Osgiliath, from attack from the west, but became the capital when Osgiliath fell into ruin following the Kin-Strife and the Great Plague. It is often referred to as the White City and the City of Kings. The Rohirrim sometimes translated this into their own language as "the Mundburg". In the climax of The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien's most famous book, the city comes under a very large and determined attack by the allied forces of Mordor.

You mst remeber that during the war of the ring mordor is likely the only threat to Gondor, but once Angmar was at its west, and if I recall the men of rohan and gondor were not always peacefull. It was definatly a fortress.

For me legolas's most annoying exploit was when his horse rides past him and he reaches out his arm grabs him by his neck and sweeps up onto he horse. It looked so fake and CGI it brought me out of the film instantly
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Posted 05 February 2009 - 07:22 AM

View PostIlluyankas, on Feb 4 2009, 11:07 PM, said:

Just imagine if you were as much of a Hitchhiker's fan as you are a LOTR fan - you'd be crying tears of BLOOD AND RAGE.


Oh, god, can we please never mention that film again?

However, the biggest raping of source material ever has to be the travesty that was From Hell.
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Posted 05 February 2009 - 08:14 AM

View PostAptorian, on Feb 4 2009, 05:35 PM, said:

I'll say it again, screw the actual story, Sauron should have shown up in humanoid form somewhere during the ending. I think what originally sold the first film to us grown-up children was the intro where Sauron is swinging the giant mace and fucking up rows of soldiers. It is still one of the coolest scenes in modern film.


Have you seen the deleted scene that has Aragorn fighting Sauron at the end? They replaced Sauron with the battle Troll instead so they wouldn't piss people off - it looked great though.


View PostSilencer, on Feb 4 2009, 06:24 PM, said:

Quite specifically, Merry stabbed him in the leg, Eowen stabbed him in the face. He did not make dying motions/noises until after he was stabbed in his face. And let's face it, a stab to the leg wouldn't do much to a nazgul, no matter who it was.


In the book, Merry got his sword from a barrow, on the Barrow Downs. It was forged during the wars with the witch-king, and was made/inscribed specifically in order to injure him.

Merry happily carries this with him unknowingly - when he stabs the WK in the knee, he removes the binding spell around him, so when Arwen stabs him in the face, it actually kills him dead. The 'not killed by the hand of man' was more of a prophecy I think.

In the film, they cut out the Barrow Downs, so it didn't really make any sense. The description/purpose of the sword is mentioned briefly after the Hobbits get released from the Barrow.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 08:40 AM

You're right about the barrow downs part - however it still does not make sense.

If they could so easily forge swords that removed the binding, then how on earth was he so hard to kill?

Eh...it doesn't matter. It still annoys me. It always will.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 08:43 AM

The Silmarillion is one of the most difficult books I've ever attempted to read. Packing thousands (hundreds of? it's been a while) of years of history into a 250 page book, with thousands of characters made it nearly impossible to understand. I caught the main bits... but still. Hard book is haaaaaaard.
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Posted 05 February 2009 - 09:30 AM

I blame fingolfin. After they destroy the witch kings power and force him to flee a prince of gondor pursues him. I presme he would also take an army as back up. But no the mighty elf tells them to stop. I think he was just worried about men becoming too cool
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Posted 05 February 2009 - 09:40 AM

Wasn't that Glorfindel?

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 09:48 AM

I didn't find the Silmarillion difficult - it was kind of depressing though, as the 'doom' ruined all the good stuff. The only problem I found was the lines of men and elves that all had the same same name as their fathers/sons, making it hard to keep track of certain people.
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Posted 05 February 2009 - 01:32 PM

ok, just finished RotK last night

I actually like the legolas climbs an oliphaunt

And the mount doom scene (minus the copious hugging scenes) is pretty awesome. I thought they did a really good job with it. Very atmospheric

And the part where the dark tower blows up....it's crumbling already and stuff, but then in mid fall the flaming eye explodes and launches the rubble of the tower in all directions. Super cool.

The way the witch king dies is fucking awesome though. Kind of implodes on himself. Rad rad rad. Also the way his dragon dies...all twitchy like Ned Stark.

The one line in that movie I just can't get over is "I am no man" by whatserface Rohan lady that kills the witch king. For fucks sake...you could be a bit more subtle with the unnecessary girl power lines. I don't think "I can't be killed by a man" was meant by Tolkien to exempt women from the witch king's immunity. It's pretty obvious that the spirit of the prophecy means "humans with normal weapons". Not homosapien males in particular. Retarded. It was merry's sword that broke the spell or whatever. I forgot how badly that line sticks in my head. It almost ruins the whole scene for me.

Agree somewhat about the dead army sweeping through minas tirith from a distance. They just spent so much time with cool closeup battle scenes until then and all of a sudden zoom waaaaay out for the conclusion of the fight. Kinda lame but I still liked it. I guess the whole end of the battle just seemed aborted or something...like they ran out of cash and just made a tacky scene to finish it off. Would have been waaaay better with some good closeups of dead guys cutting down trolls amidst the falling rubble of the fortress.

And wholly agree about the lighthouse beacon nature of the all seeing eye. I know it was supposed to be in their heads. It looks stupid in the movie, but I can't really think how they would have done it better.

I guess that sums up most of my complaints. Some stuff turned out lame, but I have no idea how it could have improved. All in all no complaints though. Changed scenes and all, LOTR trilogy is an awesome piece of cinema that will be watched and loved for a very very long time.

Can't remember from the end though, why does Frodo leave with the elves? Was he tainted with the evil power or something?
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Posted 05 February 2009 - 01:50 PM

His injury from the morgul blade meant that he never fully recovered in the true sense. The elves granted him a place cos they thought he'd deserved it.

The Dead Army bringing down Oliphaunts was a bit much, considering they didn't even fight in that battle in the book, let alone retake the city.

Great films generally tho.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 02:38 PM

View Postcerveza_fiesta, on Feb 5 2009, 01:32 PM, said:

Can't remember from the end though, why does Frodo leave with the elves? Was he tainted with the evil power or something?


Because he was a selfish pussy.
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Posted 05 February 2009 - 05:50 PM

I'm with Illy: STFU. As Gardner Dozois wrote "this is the best adaptation of LOTR we will see in our lifetimes". Exactly, so deal with it. The lighting of the beacons alone was one of the greatest moments in film of this decade. And I still choke up when Theoden gasps "I know your face".

RE: I'm no man. This is pretty much the same as it went down in the book. Merry nails the bastard in the knee and then Eowyn whips off her helmet, proclaims her girl power, and with her last bit of strength kills the second-baddest mother in Middle Earth.

RE: Army of the Dead - yeah it blew to have them at Pellanor Fields but it was a gimmick to streamline the story. I would have rather seen Aragorn show up with rangers and others but that fight went on for a day. Jackson needed to end it quickly.

RE: Extended Editions. The only way my wife and I watch the movies and we still watch them quite often. And when it all comes out on Blu-ray, that's when I buy a player and the DVDs.
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Posted 05 February 2009 - 09:14 PM

View PostSilencer, on Feb 5 2009, 11:40 AM, said:

Wasn't that Glorfindel?

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Sorry. I have recently borrowed LOTR battle for middle earth rise of the withc king. Glorfindel is a hero for the elves in it. I have notcied and I did it again. I can never remeber if the fin or glor part comes first and I butcher his name. Okay game, story is a butchery
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Posted 05 February 2009 - 10:14 PM

I suspect this will drop my Geek Quota by about 7.2, but... wasn't Gandalf an Istari? Are they not different from the Maiar?
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 01:12 AM

Oh fuck! I really don't need to be going into all of this; especially at this time of night when I should really be sleeping...

But, that said, there's far too much of my mental RAM taken up by pointless LotR trivia to let that last question go unanswered...

The Istari are all Maiar; who have been incarnated into human looking bodies as a way around the Ban that the Valar placed on themselves or their allies coming overtly to the aid of the Eldar who chose to remain in Middle Earth at the end of the War of Wrath.

And I'd really advise reading The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales and probably some of the History of Middle Earth books if that made no sense to you and you want to unpack it properly. The one truly great thing about Tolkien is that even the questions you had no idea you wanted to ask are answered by him somewhere.

And yes, I'm very well aware that I'm a great big geek about this stuff.
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 01:16 AM

@SM - Geek! ahahahaha!
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 01:33 AM

Okay, so I wasn't hiding the fact I'm a geek. Just the matter of how incredibly geeky I truly am...
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 01:37 AM

View Poststone monkey, on Feb 6 2009, 02:33 AM, said:

Okay, so I wasn't hiding the fact I'm a geek. Just the matter of how incredibly geeky I truly am...


it moves easily into the realm of semantics when a bunch of people posting on a forum dedicated to a fantasy author discusses their level of geekdom
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 01:38 AM

That was going to be my exact comment Morgy.

I think we all have a little geek going on here hehe.
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