[Korlat]

Yeesh, I'd really like to get of the Silencer-like coaster Tennes, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen.

So,

Remove Vote

Vote Galayn Lord


Primarily based on his bizarre behavior around the time of the Fener vote. And I haven't seen anything better out of him since. And that's a quick hit-and-run vote before I head to bed ... but a sensible one, that I moderately believe is productive. Not on the same level of confidence as Kaschan, but decently sure.

[Shadow]

Ok, yesterday I said I would link GL and Kaschan. (Yes Anno...because I think Kasch was a necro....so if anyone reading this doesn't think Kasch was guilty, then stop reading now, because the base reasoning is stemming from a Guilty Kasch)


Here are GL's first 5 posts... this is it for day 1 and part of 2.

Galayn Lord, on Jan 19 2009, 05:11 AM, said:

Woooooooooooooo! trick or treat?

Spam

Galayn Lord, on Jan 19 2009, 09:14 AM, said:

Ok well Im around for a few hours now, but think il mostly be catching up with whats been said, will comment if i manage to ge tto the end of it

Spam

Galayn Lord, on Jan 20 2009, 06:30 AM, said:

Well im back briefly at the moment should be able to really start playing in about an hour and a half.

For now it seems Serc seems to be getting questioned because he wants the Witch to use her BP on day one so we dont lose it by the witch getting targetted. This just seems to me like your trying to save your own skin and it seems a bit dodgy to me. Personally I dont think it really matters when its used, it gives us protection on whatever night its used so I think it would be a better Idea to use it later when keeping people alive is more of a necessity.
Will do a more thorough analysis later hopefully.

Restating what's happening/gives his view of Witch power. Btw, he never does a more thourough analysis.

Galayn Lord, on Jan 20 2009, 03:12 PM, said:

Well from the fact that there seem to be only 10 on that train it looks like we have at least 2 double voters.

Captain Obvious

Galayn Lord, on Jan 21 2009, 06:03 AM, said:

Yay done for the day, now I can actually play a bit.
So first I think the idea of mockra as a symp is interesting and does seem possible to me. His first post when he came in after the NK seemed to me like the sort of response I would expect from someone trying to put on a brave face when they're master died, although I know this last one could be misleading as they're are a few people who react like that whenever a guilty dies, it just seems a bit different to me.
But as I agree mockra could be a symp Im not sure I want to vote for him as his lynch doesnt bring us a lot and it should be the masters and the necro that we should be looking for imo. The only problem I see is that from the OP it hints that the symps are probably roled, and I dont like the idea of a roled symp running round.
Atm I think il leave my vote off as I do believe there bigger threats around but I wouldnt be adverse to lynching Mockra if we have to as some of the roles would be bad to have the symp with.

His first post of semi substance. But its awfully wishy washy. He still has never voted this game at this point.

Galayn Lord, on Jan 21 2009, 09:12 AM, said:

Yeah but, I think its more likely we have paired psychopaths so the Killers kill probably still went through and I doubt theres only 1 vig in the game so I think your being a bit optimistic with the max recruit of 1 there.

Still no denifitive stance by GL...he is just coasting.

Galayn Lord, on Jan 21 2009, 09:16 AM, said:

Actually Im thinking worst case is actually around 3, as im assuming at least 2 vigs and a psychopath kill, il assume it was the creature who hit emurlahn as that seems more likely.
EDIT: Yes i know its not very likely that 2 vigs both wasted it on day one, but that is probably worst case scenario

More game speculation.


Ok here is where the Kasch connection, I believe, comes in. It's day 2. GL has 8-9 posts of basically nothing. Spam and game speculation. Then Kasch comes on and says this: (Bold is mine)

Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

Sigh. We always say we're going to lynch the low posters one day, and we never do. Occasionally that bites us in the ass, because the scum are laying low.

But generally what it means is a couple of players have boring roles and can't be arsed.

So I guess I'm not asking to lynch Tennes or Gaylord... I'd rather they just started playing ffs.

Kasch calls out GL. and low and behold GL's next post 3.5 hours later is this:

Galayn Lord, on Jan 21 2009, 03:25 PM, said:

Ok so far Im not sure, I sor tof skimmed most of thyrllan and ruses argument as it didnt seem to be going anywhere. The case on Kesso seemed quite good and il go over it in a minute to get a better idea. Myself The only person I got a scum vibe from was meanas, because of something he said in an earlier post that made me think he could be the second psycopath, Il see if i can find it now.

Whoah, he might have started playing....

Galayn Lord, on Jan 21 2009, 03:32 PM, said:

Meanas, on Jan 21 2009, 04:03 PM, said:

Ok first congrats to whom ever took out a killer. Nice work. Second reading through all of the last couple of pages made my eyes bleed. You are both retards. If I thought that either one of you was scum I would beat people up to vote for you. Third everybody keeps saying that it is totally obvious that the creature killed Emurlahn last night. I don't see it that way. For all we know a vig took Emurlahn out and the creature targeted someone who was recruited. Which means that the cult could now have 2 extra members. That is the worst case senerio.

Also to whom ever asked if the killers could be recruited. Think about it. Uhhh NO they couldn't. If their symps can't be recruited then the killers definately can't. We don't need to have every little thing spelled out for all of us do we.

With all of the attention that Ruse and thyrllan have been making it would be really easy for a low posting scum to hide. I am against the lynching of a possible symp unless the symps have a power. I would rather not lynch Mockra for being a symp. If he is we will never know for sure and if he isn't then we have lost another innocent.

With the worst case senerio being 2 recruits for the necro's I think that it has become much more obvious that we need to hunt them down. Yesterday when Serc was suggesting that very thing the Necro's didn't yet have a possible 2 recruits. Now they do. Plus we are down one killer.

Someone said that if we kill the Necros then the recruited players (zombies) will revert back to normal and we would win. I don't think that this is a likely case at all. I think that a much more likely senerio is that with the Necro's dead the cult can't recruit. They can still win they just have to get one of the zombies to the end game. With more recruits this stands a higher chance of happening.

I am going to take a look at a couple of players and get a case together.


I have included some of the roles for those of you who are to bloody lazy to go back and read them.

This is the post I meant. Now I do agree that The necros are the best choice now, but to me this seems like he's pushing it too much and trying to convince us the killers arent a problem anymore, he mentions plus we are down one killer like it is a bad thing and we need to stop it happening again, This is stupid lynching the killers hobbles the necromancers as well as there are less kills. That and various things about the wording just seemed off in this post and make me think that Meanas may be a Psycopath or at least a symp. Oh forgot... and because of this for now
Vote Meanas
Although I am still suspicious of mockra because of the symp argument against him but at the moment I think Meanas is a greater possibility

OH my!!!a case. after 1.5 days of nothing, Just 4.5 hours after Kasch calls him out we have a case. and there is more: (I had to take out the case because of to many quotes.. and I am to tired to do this right.... but he goes in depth

Galayn Lord, on Jan 21 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

Ok Ive just checked Rashans case on Kesso and a few things stood out to me.

Thyrllan, on Jan 19 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

He will get called out for being middle of the road, and puts on a good defense, but this post is really what starts my case, the others are just background
Then in this quote he second guesses himself,nonw I dont know what else had gone on in the thread so I could be wrong but it does seem like he's realsied noones going to go for this lynch and is looking for a way to get out of his vote without looking he's just vote hopping.

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jan 19 2009, 04:59 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 07:50 AM, said:

it will always be gut on the first day, and in all honesty I am of two minds about Omtose. For one I don't like the post and the nervousness it radiates, but at the same time I do recognice that small things become huge in the absence of larger blocks of information – which is essentially why day 1 lynches are as odd as they are – ergo I may be less objective in this regard than I would've liked. Omtose is a strong player, if a bit too willing to parrot my every say in an attempt to seem wise, and so I am not quite convinced we should move to lynch him today..

But at the same time, he seems to guilty!

He does seem very guilty! The thing about it is he's not really doing anything to deny the guilt. It seems odd to me, at first he was nervous about it and now he's throwing it all out there in a way. Very erratic behaviour! An attempt at some reverse psychology perhaps?

the best way to avoid this kind of thing is to ignore it.. unless someone latches on. Unfortunately for the killers, it's often difficult to do that.

Now here Im really confused its as if he's totally forgotten he made the case in the first place. Is it possible theres 2 people in this alt
Now stay with me, its an odd thing to do, defend against your own case. Like I said he gets called on it and puts up a reasonable defense, but this behavior could be a bit of signaling to your masters. Now lets get some meat as to why I think he's scummy

Kessobahn, on Jan 20 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 20 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Sorry for the lack of posts today but I am getting really slammed in work.

I am quite nervous by how quickly the train has grown though. That is eight votes and serc hasn't had a chance to respond to any of the points made against him. I believe we still have quite a long time left today, but as i am unsure if i will be on later i am leaving my vote where it is. Could someone who will be on closer to the deadline and has voted remove temporarily? Or at least can i urge patience until Serc speaks and is given a chance to address the points i made.

I like how you distance yourself from the lynch train you created. This is about the sneakiest way to try to dodge blame if Serc comes up innocent and I do not like it one bit. You're not on the top of my list yet (mainly because I try my best to avoid meta), but you've climbed quite far in just that little piece of yours.

and my list, for those who wonder:
Emurlahn
Omtose
Fener

... Which I guess warrants a change in votes.

Emurlahn

Finally in light of Emurs death this does seem suspiciously like signalling, but I dont know who to, Why do you say you think its Ruse or thyrllan?
ANd finally our little Creature is proud of himself, note he never brings up the fact that the creature was the one who killed Emur.

So I say, You are signaling your necro masters, not sure if its Ruse or Thyr, although I am leaning towards Thyr right now. Anyway, thats my case, alot of spam mixed in with some questionable posts, while staying out of sight. Not the best case ever, but I believe it has merit.

All in all I definitely agree that there is something fishy about him, he just looks like he's trying to protect himself too much.

GL is playing now. it just so happens its after Kasch ( who I think was Necro) calls him out. Then he goes into this:

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 05:58 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 22 2009, 02:26 PM, said:

I asked Emurlahn whom they targeted for a night kill, knowing that the killers want the cult dead as much as the innocents do, if perhaps not more so. Emurlahn, trying to be sneaky said that he targeted either Kessobahn or Fener. He must be tearing his hair about not picking another alt there .. But I was not targeted, so that leaves Fener, and it got me thinknin: If I was the necro, who would I target the first day? And it hit me I probably would've targeted myself. Night 1, trying to predict the night kills is nigh impossible unless there's been a reveal. By protecting themselves, the Necromancers insured they'd not fall to an unlucky shot. After all, with them gone the faction goes with them and they automatically lose the game. They still had one to use on someone else too.

I am convinced that Fener is the Necromancer, and when he comes up guilty, I believe we should go for Kaschan next, though here I have less to go on.

Fener

Wait you're saying that based on questioning emurlahn and him saying that he targetted either you or Fener that Fener must be the Necromancer? That doesnt make any sense, for the person to have survived they must have been recuited and hence arent the necromancer, or there BP or got healed but I dont see how it points at them being the necromancer really.
Im not entirely sure I believe this reveal as your conclusions seem to make no sense. So i think its more likely that you've revealed medium to try and halt the case on you.
because of this and for the reasons i posted earlier
remove vote
Vote Kessobahn

He votes against a person who we know was the Medium and doesn't vote a suspected Necro. And this then segways into the Omtose/Meanas cases of dodgey behavior, ass covering etc.

So, I guess the point of my post is: I think Kasch was a Necro, The Necro's don't know who their creature is. GL, seeing a sign from one of his masters, decides to pick up his game a notch else he inadvertadly( sp) gets voted on by his own masters. Based upon his actions after Yellow calls him out, based upon his weird behavior during the Fener Lynch, I think GL is undead and is actually the Creature.

vote Gaylan Lord

[Shadow]

And now I sleep. Ciao

[Ruse]

Well...catching up has been rather brutal.
Some seriously looooong cases and even longer defenses. (omtose )

The fact that GL comes back and posts once for his defense and then promptly disappears is rather strange.
I agree the case on him is at least half decent, but it is also based on information that we dont have since we are now second guessing what kaschans CF result was.
I myself did not see the kaschan case as too convincing, yet there was some merit to it.

So in short, im not really convinced by anything at this moment.

We still have a lot of time dont we?
How moany votes is that for GL now?
Remember the double voters guys, lets be careful.

[Omtose]

Ruse, on Jan 26 2009, 10:11 AM, said:

Well...catching up has been rather brutal.
Some seriously looooong cases and even longer defenses. (omtose )

I only make intense, long, high quality love posts.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 4 - 33 Hours till Day end.

16 players still playing, 9 votes to lynch, 8 votes for night

1 vote for Anomandaris (Galayn Lord)
6 vote for Galayn Lord (Liosan, Omtose, Meanas, Hood's Path, Korlat, Shadow)
1 vote for Shadow (Anomandaris)

8 have not voted: D'riss, Galain, Mockra, Rashan, Ruse, Silanah, Tennes, Thyrllan.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 26 January 2009 - 09:54 AM

[Silanah]

3 vote for Galayn Lord (Liosan, Omtose, Meanas, Hood's Path, Korlat, Shadow)
That definitely is 3 votes.

I'm going to go read up on the GL cases and decide if I want to hop aboard

This post has been edited by Silanah: 26 January 2009 - 09:33 AM

[Ruse]

6 votes is getting very close to a lynch.
I would like to hear more from GL other than just making a case on someone, voting and not returning.

[Silanah]

After reading up on the cases, I would like to vote for GL. Mainly based on how he reacted after the Kess reveal and such.
I won't put my vote on him yet though considering we might have 2 double voters on the train so I would like to hear from him before condemning him.

[Liosan]

Morning all.

@Ruse - Galayn was on when the cases were originally made and these were his only two posts. I am all for letting players respond to accusations, as i think it is cheap and unfair to lynch someone when they havent had a chance to defend themselves. More over, players can reveal a lot when their backs are against the wall, ala yellow. So i think we should hold off until galayn returns, i want to also see how certain other players react now that everyone should be back on.

Galayn Lord, on Jan 25 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

Ok atm I think Im still suspicious of Meanas as a killer or Symp but looking at the lynchess of Fener and Kaschan Ano stood out to me as not wanting to lynch either of them despite the likelyhood that they were necromancers. So I think that ano is likely to be undead, possibly the creature. If you look at the following 2 quotes it appears to me that he is definitely trying to downplay the lynch as not very sensible and make out that the cases are weak.

Anomandaris, on Jan 22 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

Right, well I'm not entirely sure that reveal was wise, but I guess what's done is done. From your evidence, I would be more inclined to draw the conclusion that Fener was recruited last night, as opposed to actually being one of the Necromancers (although that doesn't preclude him from being the Creature...hmm). If possible, I'd prefer to try and target the necromancers themselves as opposed to the undead - cut off the head and we stop the cult from growing, y'know? So I figure we should hold off on lynching Fener until we don't have any other avenues to pursue.

I'll admit that despite all the muck that people have been raking up (admirably large quantities ), there isn't really a strong candidate for a lynch today thus far. However, I'll hold off on voting for Fener for a little while just in case something else appears.

The underlined quote especially seems strange as at that point Fener was a very strong lynch candidate.

Anomandaris, on Jan 23 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

Have to say I really don't see much in either of the cases on Kaschan at all...going after low posters? Not especially scummy in my book. Wanting to wait for Fener to get a chance to put in a defence? I was doing that too...don't see anything wrong with it. Yeah, he was talking about the Korlat case without actually adding much to it...ok, fair enough. But commenting that a case exists isn't exactly a cardinal sin either.

In short, I'm quite concerned about how quickly Kaschan has been picking up votes based on what, as far as I can tell, aren't particularly strong cases.

EDIT: Crosspost with a lot of stuff.

so because he's pinged my radar as a likely undead
vote Anomandaris

Galayn Lord, on Jan 25 2009, 04:35 PM, said:

Errrrr. I said I suspected you of being a killer or a symp long before you made a case on me. Get your facts straight before spouting rubbish.

[Ruse]

I agree liosan, GL's response has been far from convincing.
Yet we have 32 hours left of the day, so i reckon we should give him a chancce to respond properly, aswell as see what other poeple might have to say.

[D'riss]

Back after a heavy weekend. Lot to catch up on it would seem.

[Omtose]

16 alive, and yet SH managed to post 4 times in between D'riss and me. Slow game is slow

[Liosan]

A few players have come on this morning, but as yet no one is really talking. This could get quite annoying as during the week I can only really post during my working hours. Hopefully Galayn will return shortly to answer the cases against him because i think it is his input that people seem inclined to wait for.

[Anomandaris]

Shadow, on Jan 26 2009, 07:33 AM, said:

A really good case? Really? Omtose hasn't even made his case at this point. (This if factually wrong. If you are going to make a case on me at least be accurate. Omtose made his case on post 1345. on page 34 (40 posts per page). This quote was on page 35.)At least his case actually had some substance to it - Silanah's and Shadow's are rather weak, and to call this a 'really good case' at this stage is to my mind a gross exaggeration. (also notice I said WE have a really good case. On the whole. Sil + Omtose+ me) when 3 people bring to the table different views that come to the same conclusion..well it's usually a duck.

I'd just like to apologize for making a mistake there - there's nothing I hate more than someone making a case with errors in it, and I'm very sorry that I've done so here. I'll comment on the rest of the case in a bit, I still have more to read up first.

[Galayn Lord]

Well im here for a bit now. Am searching for the case now, will reply when ive found it.

[Galayn Lord]

Meanas, on Jan 23 2009, 07:12 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 01:58 PM, said:

Wait you're saying that based on questioning emurlahn and him saying that he targetted either you or Fener that Fener must be the Necromancer? That doesnt make any sense, for the person to have survived they must have been recuited and hence arent the necromancer, or there BP or got healed but I dont see how it points at them being the necromancer really.
Im not entirely sure I believe this reveal as your conclusions seem to make no sense. So i think its more likely that you've revealed medium to try and halt the case on you.
because of this and for the reasons i posted earlier
remove vote
Vote Kessobahn

Obviously doesn't realize that the necros targeting themselves is basically a BP. Instead of processing kesso information and asking him questions like other people were doing he puts a quick vote on kesso. Looks like a paniced reaction to seeing his new recruit or partner being outed.

Ok, I hadnt even considered that the necromancers might be able to recruit themselves as it makes no sense and is totally stupid. I voted kesso because when he was the most talked about person on the thread at the time he came on made a case on Fener and then backed it up with logic that seemed to make no sense at all. Once i'd posted this I realised that the reveal at that point was probably true so I removed the vote, but at that point I was still in the kesso is supsicious mind set and I focused more on the strange bits of his argument.

 

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 02:03 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 22 2009, 02:00 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 02:58 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 22 2009, 02:26 PM, said:

I asked Emurlahn whom they targeted for a night kill, knowing that the killers want the cult dead as much as the innocents do, if perhaps not more so. Emurlahn, trying to be sneaky said that he targeted either Kessobahn or Fener. He must be tearing his hair about not picking another alt there .. But I was not targeted, so that leaves Fener, and it got me thinknin: If I was the necro, who would I target the first day? And it hit me I probably would've targeted myself. Night 1, trying to predict the night kills is nigh impossible unless there's been a reveal. By protecting themselves, the Necromancers insured they'd not fall to an unlucky shot. After all, with them gone the faction goes with them and they automatically lose the game. They still had one to use on someone else too.

I am convinced that Fener is the Necromancer, and when he comes up guilty, I believe we should go for Kaschan next, though here I have less to go on.

Fener

Wait you're saying that based on questioning emurlahn and him saying that he targetted either you or Fener that Fener must be the Necromancer? That doesnt make any sense, for the person to have survived they must have been recuited and hence arent the necromancer, or there BP or got healed but I dont see how it points at them being the necromancer really.
Im not entirely sure I believe this reveal as your conclusions seem to make no sense. So i think its more likely that you've revealed medium to try and halt the case on you.
because of this and for the reasons i posted earlier
remove vote
Vote Kessobahn

Erm...what if he IS the medium.
Eager to get rid of the CF hey?

No it just struck me as pure desperation because of the flawed reasoning. I dint quite think through it enough. Now im just hoping that Serc wasnt the medium.

Now he is trying to say that Kesso was showing desperation. I just think that Morgoth wanted to get rid of a scum and probably thought that he would get protected that first night. I don't agree with Morgoth's decision to reveal but if he looked at the odds and thought that he might die anyway in the next night or day that it might have been worth it to have taken a scum out with him. Galayn Lord reaks of desperation at this point and seems to be doing every thing he can to draw attention or toss dirt on Kesso and his reveal.

As opposed to everyone else that day who was treating him as if he shitted gold! The fact is his conclusions were very shakey to me because at that point I hadnt even considered that they could try and recruit themselves. Add to the fact he could very well have been recruited himself or any number of things I thought that as noone else was I had to make sure people actually considered that he could be scum.

This is the first part, of Meanas' case, Il go find the second part now

[Galayn Lord]

Meanas, on Jan 23 2009, 07:13 PM, said:

Second Part.

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 02:14 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 22 2009, 02:09 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

Or he could very well be telling the truth about being medium, that doesnt stop him from being the recruit. Especially as he himself says he could have been targetted by emurlahn. In a game like this Its not safe to assume that the people with these roles are innocents.

Ofcourse...but then i doubt he would have put his own name in his story.
He could have just said that Ehmur told him they where kiling fener...period.

TBH I dont really care about the kesso side of the response as it doesnt really give us much either way as it is also a good way to make yourelf seem innocent by giving out information that could be incriminating because your so helpful.

More desperation.
Why? what I said was true, there was no reason for him to include his own name in that bit, the only reason he would have done it was to make him see trustworthy.
 
 
 

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 03:38 PM, said:

Actually that doesnt disprove Kesso in itself as the Necros can choose to recruit themselves for some reason Even though it seems a bit stupid (dont hurt me mods )

Path-Shaper, on Jan 22 2009, 02:45 PM, said:

Just a note of clarification since its come up a few times: Necromancers can pick themselves as their recruits. .

I would assume that this acts as a BP for them.

Took you long enough.
Thats because its a stupid rule that makes no sense.  I just assumed they couldnt target themselves until teh mods confirmed that they could.

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 06:52 PM, said:

Ok seems Kesso was right about Fener then. I think il go back and check over Kaschan now see if I can see what makes you suspicious.

Still being helpful and what not. We had just killed a scum and that is your reaction. hmmm


What else is my reaction going to be "wooo" thats not helpful at all. 

Ok that is the second part. Most of his argument was a bit thin tbh, apart from the section around the kesso reveal which il admit is abit dodgy, its just him saying "helpful" a lot.

[Anomandaris]

I could continue to debate each point with Shadow, but I've come to the realisation that jousting in such situations will not help anything. My case rests primarily on the basis that I think the cases on Kaschan were weak and that his lynch does not merit the certainty that Shadow has given it. However, any debate on the matter will undoubtably return to this conflict of opinion, one that probably won't be easily resolved. I have tried to show why I think this by going through each of Silanah's, Omtose's and Shadow's cases in the course of my posts, but Shadow can always respond that he believes the lynch was the right thing to do. So hopefully if you were swayed by my analysis of the various cases, you will see where I'm coming from, but if you feel that the Kaschan lynch was above board and unsuspicious, then I don't have a whole lot to add to convince you.

Right, now that I've got that out of the way, there is one point that I feel is worthy of debate. I hope you don't mind that I've reformatted the conversation so far somewhat - I'm not a huge fan of the red type.

Shadow, on Jan 26 2009, 07:33 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on Jan 25 2009, 06:34 AM, said:

And the whole thing about the Necros not recruiting so we don't get to see Kaschan's CF seems like flawed reasoning to me. What do the necros care if we know that we've managed to hit one of them?

because the less the inno's know, the better...after all, all the Necros have to do is get rid of everyone not on their team...and they all know eachother

Anomandaris, on Jan 25 2009, 06:34 AM, said:

We get a little bit of evidence based on people's reactions to the case, I guess, but surely they'd stand more to gain if Kaschan was inno? Now we're on the wrong track, and have no way to tell. If Kaschan were guilty, it would have been in their interests to keep the CFs in play and be vocal in their criticisms of him, thereby giving them something to point to later if and when suspicion comes back around to them.

I'm sorry, this makes no sense to me. If we have a CF and If he CF's Guilty there are ties to the other Necros!!! Tell me that if we, as inno's, knew Kasch was a necro that GL wouldn't be dead 24 hours ago... there is no way. They knew. They knew that Kasch was on the block the next day. They knew that if we lynched Kach and he CF'd necro that GL would be next in line..... If GL is Necro.. well thats 3 Necro's dead in 3 lynch attempts. This connection was made back before Kess was killed (during the Fener lynch). Tell me Yellow didn't think of this. I consider Yellow a smart player. He would have thought of this.

Having considered this a little more my point of view can be summed up as follows.

Team Necro would have wanted the CFs gone regardless of whether or not Kaschan was next on the chopping block. They have little need of it - they know exactly who is on their team (with the exception of the creature, of course), and they can work out how many kills they have to work with by how many deaths there are after every night. Thus preventing Team Inno from getting a handle on how the game is progressing would seem like a good strategy, irrespective of the state of the game. I therefore don't see why this is evidence in favour of Kaschan being a Necro (though nor is it evidence in his defence, I realise that now).

Any other lines of reasoning, as I see it, are tainted by the prior assumptions that [a]Kaschan was a Necro, or [b]Kaschan was not a Necro. If you think Kaschan was a Necro, then they got rid of the CFs to deny Team Inno some info and certainty about the validity of the lynch. If you think Kaschan was not a Necro then they got rid of the CFs in the hope that people would follow up on the Kaschan case and thus be lead astray, never realising that they were going down the wrong track. Comes back to that point of contention again.

EDIT: Because for some reason the text was in black.

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 26 January 2009 - 02:38 PM

[Mockra]

hey all
still feling like shit, and slept too long
gotta run t class now

Galyn lord posted a defence, but it's unconvincing
bottom line, unless by some karmic coicidence Ampelas was medium, GL suggested we vote off a revealed finder. that goes against every canon of Mafia, if you're inno.

ok, off to class, more later.