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Right, well we can be reasonably confident that there's at most one executioner on the train thus far, because only people who are on the Kaschan train are on this one, and that one only had one double voter on it. So GL is probably at L-2: neither Thyrllan or Silanah (who are the only Kaschan-lynchers not on the train) were on Serc's day 1 train, and that one had both executioners on it. I'm assuming, of course, that there are only two executioners...
L-2 is kind of high this early in the day, but there is a reasonable case in play and we already have a defence from GL to analyze. Speaking of which, I shall get right on that.
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Anomandaris, on Jan 26 2009, 03:02 PM, said:
Right, well we can be reasonably confident that there's at most one executioner on the train thus far, because only people who are on the Kaschan train are on this one, and that one only had one double voter on it. So GL is probably at L-2: neither Thyrllan or Silanah (who are the only Kaschan-lynchers not on the train) were on Serc's day 1 train, and that one had both executioners on it. I'm assuming, of course, that there are only two executioners...
L-2 is kind of high this early in the day, but there is a reasonable case in play and we already have a defence from GL to analyze. Speaking of which, I shall get right on that.
L-2 is kind of high this early in the day, but there is a reasonable case in play and we already have a defence from GL to analyze. Speaking of which, I shall get right on that.
Kind of high after a 40 hour stop clock I don't think so. There is nothing that says that just because the clock has started we have to go for another 30 hours before we lynch. GL's defense did nothing to explain his initial reaction to Kesso's reveal. I am not going to remove my vote just because the clock has started.
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Omtose, on Jan 25 2009, 11:54 AM, said:
A few points to Anomandaris' list of quotes in chronological order:
First, the reaction to the Serc lynch.
You say:
My whole point was in reply to this (Liosan):
My reply:
The underlined is far less black-white than your interpretation of it.
Day 2, during the lynch train on Fener:
Not exactly odd. There's a good case against Kaschan, and during the night, Kaschan WAS downplaying on everything Kessobahn had been saying since the lynch, and on GL's involvement.
So, I connected GL and Kaschan - GL as covering for Fener where Kaschan thought the whole thing was lost already (although he didn't vote for Fener), and Kaschan then backing up GL.
I literally said this in my case:
So, for me, it doesn't matter which one I go for first, I have the luxury of picking a target. I feel I can drag up the Galayn Lord case at any time, it is a pretty strong one, we all agree on that. However, why I should I push a Galayn Lord case when there's a case on Kaschan, who I see as his partner in crime? It would be counterproductive to have the cases compete when one can follow after the other - and one of my major points is the follow up of the previous day - namely, how Kaschan spins GLs failures, so my feelings about GL do return in my case... so no, GL is not gone from my mind. Not at all, actually.
But let's go back to the moment where I see Korlat's vote and Silanah's case... What to do? I feel there's something on Kaschan, I see Sil's case (which I partially agree with - I don't rubbish it but I point out different readings of certain events that Sil brought up - like Kaschan gunning for the same people over and over), and I think that if we let this go, Kaschan could slip under the radar again - while on GL, there's two pages with very strange play and the quotes to prove it - dragging those up again will provide a vote or 5 straight away, I think... but from GL back to Kaschan, the jump & connection is harder to make. It is then simple deduction: I felt that in order to lynch all the three candidates for undead (of which Fener was already dead), going for Kaschan was the best step for me to down them all three.
Hence my amazement on going for Tennes as well. He is on the radar, people tire of him being never here - but that's not a case like there is on both Kaschan and GL (and for the reasons outlined, I feel we should push Kaschan), so, why do it.
Lastly: my reaction to Meanas.
It's a bit laughable that you see me as disagreeing/dismissing. I first and foremost think GL is scum, heck I even voted for him at a time when everyone else is basically charging for Fener. GL's behaviour is there in my case, rather obviously, too. It has been a point of contention in my whole dance with Yellow of Q & A when he adresses my post. Read back, I bring it up three times, three times he dodges it. Then Meanas' case comes, and BAM, Yellow's being shown turning tail three times... the timing was perfect and added to the weight of this particular point.
Had the quotes been brought up earlier, he wouldn't have been seen as dodging that much. So, from a tactical PoV, I feel it reinforces my case against Kaschan and shows his replies to me as being dodgy, continuously. We're also close to a lynch - on a guy I want lynched - what did you expect me to do, change votes? I can't emphasize enough that I think GL is scum, but since I also think Kaschan is and was scum, this was and is a total win-win situation for me: Kaschan near dead, GL shown as a next serious target, great to start a new day with. So, once again, it is simple. Finish what you're doing (lynching Kaschan), pick up the new case the next day. I hope this train of thought sounds logical to you... it sure as hell does so for me.
More, should I have died/been recruited last night, well, we've still got all the quotes out there and another guy to champion the cause. Good for team inno.
As for thinking about CF - ridiculous point. Not scummy in itself, as you say.
But saying killers have night vision and we are groping about... Scum always have that - the question you should ask yourself is: what does it change for us, and what should we do? I had my personal answer for that - go for the throat, don't give them time. Be ruthless.
Examine the situation:
Firstly, we had a few good traces to go with, traces that would become muddied had we waited, which is what you seem to advocate. The only light source (to stay in your analogy) we as team inno will get, is when a reveal lights a match. Evil will be rapidly trying to snuff that match out. 'When in doubt, attack (which is usually leading to a near fatal dose of day 2 syndrome
)' We're in doubt all the time now, as we lack any confirmation of our thoughts. But I feel if we start cowering in a corner, we'll be lead by vocal scum by a ring through our nose in no-time.
First, the reaction to the Serc lynch.
You say:
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So, after previously saying that the train would provide a lot of information, he is now saying that the scum probably aren't on it? How convenient that Omtose was in fact on the train, and thus can't be scum (Unless he's the killer, hehe). But the bottom line is that it doesn't seem like he has got a whole load of useful information out of the train, which kind of invalidates his earlier statements about the lynch being necessary for the information it provides.
My whole point was in reply to this (Liosan):
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the good thing about the serc train is it possibly has one killer and one necromancer on it. We know there were two players with double votes, so i doubt the killer or necromancer/creature would have that ability (though a symp might) so we are looking at ten with maybe two or three evil in it.
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I agree with examination of the train, but maybe not with the numbers of 2 or 3 scum on the train - 10 people voted, no? That's less than the actual majority of 12 required at that point in time, and gives 13 players who not voted on Lisheo to start with - subntracting the modkill and Emurlahn, that still leaves 11. I think the majority of scum wasn't on the train - although I do suspect that a killer-partner of Emurlahn was on it.
The underlined is far less black-white than your interpretation of it.
Day 2, during the lynch train on Fener:
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Moving on, his next step is to bring up a case on Galayn Lord. A decent case, although that fact was not apparent to me until Meanas went through and dragged the offending quotes into the light - GL had been acting incredibly suspiciously. Which makes it all the more odd that the next day he has suddenly moved away from GL and latched onto Kaschan.
Not exactly odd. There's a good case against Kaschan, and during the night, Kaschan WAS downplaying on everything Kessobahn had been saying since the lynch, and on GL's involvement.
So, I connected GL and Kaschan - GL as covering for Fener where Kaschan thought the whole thing was lost already (although he didn't vote for Fener), and Kaschan then backing up GL.
I literally said this in my case:
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and I a triangle of Fener, Kaschan and GL is developing as a group of scum in my mind.
So, for me, it doesn't matter which one I go for first, I have the luxury of picking a target. I feel I can drag up the Galayn Lord case at any time, it is a pretty strong one, we all agree on that. However, why I should I push a Galayn Lord case when there's a case on Kaschan, who I see as his partner in crime? It would be counterproductive to have the cases compete when one can follow after the other - and one of my major points is the follow up of the previous day - namely, how Kaschan spins GLs failures, so my feelings about GL do return in my case... so no, GL is not gone from my mind. Not at all, actually.
But let's go back to the moment where I see Korlat's vote and Silanah's case... What to do? I feel there's something on Kaschan, I see Sil's case (which I partially agree with - I don't rubbish it but I point out different readings of certain events that Sil brought up - like Kaschan gunning for the same people over and over), and I think that if we let this go, Kaschan could slip under the radar again - while on GL, there's two pages with very strange play and the quotes to prove it - dragging those up again will provide a vote or 5 straight away, I think... but from GL back to Kaschan, the jump & connection is harder to make. It is then simple deduction: I felt that in order to lynch all the three candidates for undead (of which Fener was already dead), going for Kaschan was the best step for me to down them all three.
Hence my amazement on going for Tennes as well. He is on the radar, people tire of him being never here - but that's not a case like there is on both Kaschan and GL (and for the reasons outlined, I feel we should push Kaschan), so, why do it.
Lastly: my reaction to Meanas.
It's a bit laughable that you see me as disagreeing/dismissing. I first and foremost think GL is scum, heck I even voted for him at a time when everyone else is basically charging for Fener. GL's behaviour is there in my case, rather obviously, too. It has been a point of contention in my whole dance with Yellow of Q & A when he adresses my post. Read back, I bring it up three times, three times he dodges it. Then Meanas' case comes, and BAM, Yellow's being shown turning tail three times... the timing was perfect and added to the weight of this particular point.
Had the quotes been brought up earlier, he wouldn't have been seen as dodging that much. So, from a tactical PoV, I feel it reinforces my case against Kaschan and shows his replies to me as being dodgy, continuously. We're also close to a lynch - on a guy I want lynched - what did you expect me to do, change votes? I can't emphasize enough that I think GL is scum, but since I also think Kaschan is and was scum, this was and is a total win-win situation for me: Kaschan near dead, GL shown as a next serious target, great to start a new day with. So, once again, it is simple. Finish what you're doing (lynching Kaschan), pick up the new case the next day. I hope this train of thought sounds logical to you... it sure as hell does so for me.
More, should I have died/been recruited last night, well, we've still got all the quotes out there and another guy to champion the cause. Good for team inno.
As for thinking about CF - ridiculous point. Not scummy in itself, as you say.
But saying killers have night vision and we are groping about... Scum always have that - the question you should ask yourself is: what does it change for us, and what should we do? I had my personal answer for that - go for the throat, don't give them time. Be ruthless.
Examine the situation:
Firstly, we had a few good traces to go with, traces that would become muddied had we waited, which is what you seem to advocate. The only light source (to stay in your analogy) we as team inno will get, is when a reveal lights a match. Evil will be rapidly trying to snuff that match out. 'When in doubt, attack (which is usually leading to a near fatal dose of day 2 syndrome
)' We're in doubt all the time now, as we lack any confirmation of our thoughts. But I feel if we start cowering in a corner, we'll be lead by vocal scum by a ring through our nose in no-time.This is what made me want to vote for galayn, much more so thatn the case from meanas, whichin some ways i disagree about. The focus being the vote for kessobahn after the reveal. i can understand it, the fact that morgoth thought about the undead protecting themselves with a recruitment is frankly, insane. How can you be recruited to something if you are already in it. I have sent a few strongly worded messages to pathshaper, and depending on which mod i spoke to i got some very contradictory responses.
I have about half an hour left before end of day, i had hoped to see a lynch but that will have to wait until tomorrow. Hopefully tennes is modkilled, because i do not want to have to waste one of our lynches on a player making no effort to play.
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The weekend freeze on the timer is to excuse people from having to post at the weekend if they're busy, and it is my impression that quite a few people have taken advantage of that. I would quite like to hear the impressions of those people on this matter. As you say, some of us have been active all weekend - I am merely pointing out that we have a lot of time left should we need it, and I for one would like to use at least some of it. Not saying we have to wait until the deadline by any means.
Regarding Galayn Lord's defence: while it is true that some of Kessogoth's logic was very woolly, it still seems very rash to have voted for the Medium straight away. As a consequence of the reveal, we were going to have to lynch Kessobahn anyway, given that we could not be sure of his loyalty after the night. As I have said in some of my other posts, I think the lack of CF is a definite advantage to the scum, so trying to turn the lynch around seems like it could be scummy.
I agree with his general sentiment about the Necromancers listing themselves, but that doesn't go any way to explaining the fact that he seems to be stating the obvious in an attempt to show that he's back in confirmity with the rest of the herd. The fact is, his reaction to Kessobahn's reveal separated him from the pack, but it wasn't so much that as his eagerness to return to it that makes me suspicious.
In summary: not convinced by the defence.
Regarding Galayn Lord's defence: while it is true that some of Kessogoth's logic was very woolly, it still seems very rash to have voted for the Medium straight away. As a consequence of the reveal, we were going to have to lynch Kessobahn anyway, given that we could not be sure of his loyalty after the night. As I have said in some of my other posts, I think the lack of CF is a definite advantage to the scum, so trying to turn the lynch around seems like it could be scummy.
I agree with his general sentiment about the Necromancers listing themselves, but that doesn't go any way to explaining the fact that he seems to be stating the obvious in an attempt to show that he's back in confirmity with the rest of the herd. The fact is, his reaction to Kessobahn's reveal separated him from the pack, but it wasn't so much that as his eagerness to return to it that makes me suspicious.
In summary: not convinced by the defence.
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An addendum - the more time we had with Kessobahn alive, the more time we had to mine him for information. As it happens, I'm not so sure that the information we got was particularly trustworthy, but that's another matter entirely. Getting rid of Kessobahn as early as possible seems like it would be a good tactic for the scum to employ.
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PART 1
Or, you could simply take what I said at face value.
Liosan being a lynch target for leading an incorrect lynch, including some waffling on it about half-way through.
Thyrllan for trying to derail that Lynch in a way that made Serc look more guilty (to me, anyways), not less - that is, trying to frame an Inno, perhaps even in the hopes that Serc was actually a Necro.
Edit: Anyways, I'm off for a shower and coffee.
This is Mafia, nothing can ever really be taken at face value. Just for that, I'm
Voting Korlat
Wow, a rhyme.
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Anomandaris, on Jan 21 2009, 05:31 PM, said:
Well, that's convenient, I was just about to go after you Korlat. I looked back over your posts after Ampelas pointed out your stuff about targetting during the night...figured I'd repost them so everyone can see:
Actually, yeah, sometimes they are. Your statement that "things are moving too fast for my taste" regarding a lynch train on you, for example. And if you're a Killer with noob Symps, well ... my condolences.
And yes, if you get lynched and come up Inno, the train will be examined just as closely as if you come up Killer. Liosan, for starters, will have a big bull's-eye painted on him.
Oh, I'm here, but I've casted a vote and I'm going to stick to it. Even moreso now than before - Thyrllan is heavily Symping you. If you come up Inno, he and Liosan will be top targets. And I say Thyrllan will be, because he's being a bit too obvious a Symp, and it might be an attempt to make you look like a scum leader when you're really an Inno.
Both of them seem like clumsy attempts at a code to me, because they seem like unnatural ways of saying things. If you were talking about what you see ahead for tomorrow, you'd say something like "Thyrllan and Liosan will be at the top of my list tomorrow if Serc comes up inno." So to me, that spells either a code or an attempt to manipulate people into looking into those you want them to look into without actually committing to anything yourself. Both of which seem scummy to me, whether it's of the Necro or Psycho variety.
So, without further ado,
Vote Korlat
Korlat, on Jan 20 2009, 07:34 PM, said:
Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 11:27 AM, said:
Right, I might or might not be lynched yet, but I'd like my Train to be examined well.
Because, Korlat, no one is that fucking obvious.
Because, Korlat, no one is that fucking obvious.
Actually, yeah, sometimes they are. Your statement that "things are moving too fast for my taste" regarding a lynch train on you, for example. And if you're a Killer with noob Symps, well ... my condolences.
And yes, if you get lynched and come up Inno, the train will be examined just as closely as if you come up Killer. Liosan, for starters, will have a big bull's-eye painted on him.
Korlat, on Jan 20 2009, 10:10 PM, said:
Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 02:01 PM, said:
The only reason my train is the only possibility for a lynch is because people have voted, and then left, meaning you CAN'T change from me
I've been paying careful attention to the number of anonymous users online, its peaked at eleven and twelve at times, with four and five guests watching this thread. I reckon some of these people who had to "leave" are scum trying to avoid the fall out of my CF.
I've been paying careful attention to the number of anonymous users online, its peaked at eleven and twelve at times, with four and five guests watching this thread. I reckon some of these people who had to "leave" are scum trying to avoid the fall out of my CF.
Oh, I'm here, but I've casted a vote and I'm going to stick to it. Even moreso now than before - Thyrllan is heavily Symping you. If you come up Inno, he and Liosan will be top targets. And I say Thyrllan will be, because he's being a bit too obvious a Symp, and it might be an attempt to make you look like a scum leader when you're really an Inno.
Both of them seem like clumsy attempts at a code to me, because they seem like unnatural ways of saying things. If you were talking about what you see ahead for tomorrow, you'd say something like "Thyrllan and Liosan will be at the top of my list tomorrow if Serc comes up inno." So to me, that spells either a code or an attempt to manipulate people into looking into those you want them to look into without actually committing to anything yourself. Both of which seem scummy to me, whether it's of the Necro or Psycho variety.
So, without further ado,
Vote Korlat
Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 05:40 PM, said:
Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 12:35 PM, said:
Anomandaris, on Jan 21 2009, 09:31 AM, said:
Both of them seem like clumsy attempts at a code to me, because they seem like unnatural ways of saying things. If you were talking about what you see ahead for tomorrow, you'd say something like "Thyrllan and Liosan will be at the top of my list tomorrow if Serc comes up inno." So to me, that spells either a code or an attempt to manipulate people into looking into those you want them to look into without actually committing to anything yourself. Both of which seem scummy to me, whether it's of the Necro or Psycho variety.
So, without further ado,
Vote Korlat
So, without further ado,
Vote Korlat
Or, you could simply take what I said at face value.
Liosan being a lynch target for leading an incorrect lynch, including some waffling on it about half-way through.
Thyrllan for trying to derail that Lynch in a way that made Serc look more guilty (to me, anyways), not less - that is, trying to frame an Inno, perhaps even in the hopes that Serc was actually a Necro.
Edit: Anyways, I'm off for a shower and coffee.
This is Mafia, nothing can ever really be taken at face value. Just for that, I'm
Voting Korlat
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This is the biggest indication of scum behaviour I've seen from Korlat, I have to agree with Thyr. Trying to lead the flock towards more innos is a typical scum move.
It is still early in the day, and Korlat has a few votes already, so I'll not put one on just yet. This case is less strong than the Serc case yesterday, imo, and that one was wrong
Also gonna do a quick re-read of Mockra, for reasons stated.
Kaschan sets the groundwork out to also vote for korlat if required but refrains from voting.
kaschan begins lookinginto low posters.
Shadow jumps the gun and votes for galayn who at this time hadnt been that involved in the game.
Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 06:27 PM, said:
Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 06:01 PM, said:
In both cases what I dislike most about Korlat is that he seems to be preparing the next lynch before ones even over.
If hes guilty, we go HERE.
If hes inno, we go HERE.
I think he's preparing his "fall" guys before the lynch happens, which strikes me as scummy.
If hes guilty, we go HERE.
If hes inno, we go HERE.
I think he's preparing his "fall" guys before the lynch happens, which strikes me as scummy.
This is the biggest indication of scum behaviour I've seen from Korlat, I have to agree with Thyr. Trying to lead the flock towards more innos is a typical scum move.
It is still early in the day, and Korlat has a few votes already, so I'll not put one on just yet. This case is less strong than the Serc case yesterday, imo, and that one was wrong
Also gonna do a quick re-read of Mockra, for reasons stated.
Kaschan sets the groundwork out to also vote for korlat if required but refrains from voting.
Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 07:01 PM, said:
Sigh. We always say we're going to lynch the low posters one day, and we never do. Occasionally that bites us in the ass, because the scum are laying low.
But generally what it means is a couple of players have boring roles and can't be arsed.
So I guess I'm not asking to lynch Tennes or Gaylord... I'd rather they just started playing ffs.
But generally what it means is a couple of players have boring roles and can't be arsed.
So I guess I'm not asking to lynch Tennes or Gaylord... I'd rather they just started playing ffs.
kaschan begins lookinginto low posters.
Shadow, on Jan 21 2009, 07:24 PM, said:
Wow- caught up I now hate the Illiad, Thyr and Ruse
Unfortunately I think we have a classic inno pissing contest. Fine, it seems over. good.
The HP case, I thought was really good yesterday, even today it rings a bit true. He middle of the roaded it yesterday and has been straight defensive from what I can recall today.
@HP who are some of your suspects. why?
Tennes and GL, and Silanah are pretty worthless at this point. I get a bored RI vibe from Tennes and Sil. RI is a role people! Make waves, throw around your opinion! Your job is to get killed instead of the roled inno's. Have fun with it. I know I do. GL seems to make a bit of an attempt to play today but hasn't said much. in fact
vote Gaylan Lord
Until he starts contributing more. We really don't want to start taking players like this to end game. They are a mystery and unknown that really hurt the team, or they are killers (see silencer/korlat ). I feel its better to lynch them now when we have a numbers advantage, rather than vote off the vocal players who at least bring rope to hang themselves with later down the line.
@GL who are your suspects. Why?
Someone brought up Galain. I am going to reread him. His early jump onto Serc, followed by the removal could be a distancing move that backfired as the train picked up steam. I can't recall lif he ended up revoting, but I don't think so.
Kasch- starting to play more, but seems to be a bit wishy washy- I'll try to do a reread today if I have time.
Korlat has me stumped. I really don't see the case on him. I also, plan for contingencies when lynches happen. If X happens I will do Y. If Z happens I will do JA. I'm not closing the door on it, but at this point I don't think I would support a Korlat lynch. Make of that what you will.
Finally- I think we have to assume there is a recruit running around. With this many ppl we have to assume 2-3 Psychos and with only 1 dead, it's probable. I'd like to think the vig/vigs wouldn't have used their shot night 1... but people get paraniod they will get NK'd and do crazy things.
Ok, gonna reread Galain and Kasch.
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Unfortunately I think we have a classic inno pissing contest. Fine, it seems over. good.
The HP case, I thought was really good yesterday, even today it rings a bit true. He middle of the roaded it yesterday and has been straight defensive from what I can recall today.
@HP who are some of your suspects. why?
Tennes and GL, and Silanah are pretty worthless at this point. I get a bored RI vibe from Tennes and Sil. RI is a role people! Make waves, throw around your opinion! Your job is to get killed instead of the roled inno's. Have fun with it. I know I do. GL seems to make a bit of an attempt to play today but hasn't said much. in fact
vote Gaylan Lord
Until he starts contributing more. We really don't want to start taking players like this to end game. They are a mystery and unknown that really hurt the team, or they are killers (see silencer/korlat ). I feel its better to lynch them now when we have a numbers advantage, rather than vote off the vocal players who at least bring rope to hang themselves with later down the line.
@GL who are your suspects. Why?
Someone brought up Galain. I am going to reread him. His early jump onto Serc, followed by the removal could be a distancing move that backfired as the train picked up steam. I can't recall lif he ended up revoting, but I don't think so.
Kasch- starting to play more, but seems to be a bit wishy washy- I'll try to do a reread today if I have time.
Korlat has me stumped. I really don't see the case on him. I also, plan for contingencies when lynches happen. If X happens I will do Y. If Z happens I will do JA. I'm not closing the door on it, but at this point I don't think I would support a Korlat lynch. Make of that what you will.
Finally- I think we have to assume there is a recruit running around. With this many ppl we have to assume 2-3 Psychos and with only 1 dead, it's probable. I'd like to think the vig/vigs wouldn't have used their shot night 1... but people get paraniod they will get NK'd and do crazy things.
Ok, gonna reread Galain and Kasch.
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Shadow jumps the gun and votes for galayn who at this time hadnt been that involved in the game.
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part 3
To be honest at the moment no one is really jumping out at me. There aren't any cases I would consider very strong. I'm going to go back and ook into the Ruse, Thyrllan argument. There was alot being thrown back and forth there, it could be less than just a differing of opinions. In an effort to be a little less "middle of the road" I'm going to reserve judgement until I am more sure.
As to me being defensive today I probably am. I didn't think Thyrllan's case on D'riss and I was very strong in the first place. I also found it weird that it came as late as it did when there was very little chance of derailing the train against Serc. I've tried to explain my actions several times now, but alas to little avail.
Bolded part is my point: Isn't that the definition of middle of the roading?
I don't think we need to worry about lynching Silanah. He hasn't been on all day, I don't think I've seen him since before Night. He'll be modkilled soon. If he posts and has no content, then by all means I'll hop on this, but I think if we're out for a low poster then we should be after a subsistence low poster.
Shadow votes for silanah and fener defends silanah.
To be honest at the moment no one is really jumping out at me. There aren't any cases I would consider very strong. I'm going to go back and ook into the Ruse, Thyrllan argument. There was alot being thrown back and forth there, it could be less than just a differing of opinions. In an effort to be a little less "middle of the road" I'm going to reserve judgement until I am more sure.
As to me being defensive today I probably am. I didn't think Thyrllan's case on D'riss and I was very strong in the first place. I also found it weird that it came as late as it did when there was very little chance of derailing the train against Serc. I've tried to explain my actions several times now, but alas to little avail.
Bolded part is my point: Isn't that the definition of middle of the roading?
I don't think we need to worry about lynching Silanah. He hasn't been on all day, I don't think I've seen him since before Night. He'll be modkilled soon. If he posts and has no content, then by all means I'll hop on this, but I think if we're out for a low poster then we should be after a subsistence low poster.
Two votes when we need 11 (or nine since there seem to be people with multi vote powers about) are just the beginning of pressure. Plus Sil was on after the morning scene which means that he has only been inactive for a short while. I have every confindence that he will get on and post a one line comment. If he sees some votes then perhaps he will contribute or panic(if scum).
Oh. Well then.
remove vote
vote Silanah
yet two seconds later he also jumps on the silanah train.
I suppose, but then again, he's claiming to have fingered me and Kasch as Necros. I'd like him to present that case before we lynch him, just for the lulz.
Commenting on the kesso case, quite funny that quote when it is true.
Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 08:25 PM, said:
Hood's Path, on Jan 21 2009, 02:57 PM, said:
Shadow, on Jan 21 2009, 11:24 AM, said:
Wow- caught up I now hate the Illiad, Thyr and Ruse
Unfortunately I think we have a classic inno pissing contest. Fine, it seems over. good.
The HP case, I thought was really good yesterday, even today it rings a bit true. He middle of the roaded it yesterday and has been straight defensive from what I can recall today.
@HP who are some of your suspects. why?
Unfortunately I think we have a classic inno pissing contest. Fine, it seems over. good.
The HP case, I thought was really good yesterday, even today it rings a bit true. He middle of the roaded it yesterday and has been straight defensive from what I can recall today.
@HP who are some of your suspects. why?
To be honest at the moment no one is really jumping out at me. There aren't any cases I would consider very strong. I'm going to go back and ook into the Ruse, Thyrllan argument. There was alot being thrown back and forth there, it could be less than just a differing of opinions. In an effort to be a little less "middle of the road" I'm going to reserve judgement until I am more sure.
As to me being defensive today I probably am. I didn't think Thyrllan's case on D'riss and I was very strong in the first place. I also found it weird that it came as late as it did when there was very little chance of derailing the train against Serc. I've tried to explain my actions several times now, but alas to little avail.
Bolded part is my point: Isn't that the definition of middle of the roading?
Shadow, on Jan 21 2009, 03:22 PM, said:
@ Meanas
I like the Post on Silanah
remove vote
vote Silanah
I would happily vote off Tennes, GL or Silanah as my personal Philosophy is that they (low posters) are hurting us now, but will hurt us infinatly more later. If Sil shows some gameplay in the future I will reconsider.
I like the Post on Silanah
remove vote
vote Silanah
I would happily vote off Tennes, GL or Silanah as my personal Philosophy is that they (low posters) are hurting us now, but will hurt us infinatly more later. If Sil shows some gameplay in the future I will reconsider.
I don't think we need to worry about lynching Silanah. He hasn't been on all day, I don't think I've seen him since before Night. He'll be modkilled soon. If he posts and has no content, then by all means I'll hop on this, but I think if we're out for a low poster then we should be after a subsistence low poster.
Shadow votes for silanah and fener defends silanah.
Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 08:42 PM, said:
Meanas, on Jan 21 2009, 03:32 PM, said:
Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 09:25 PM, said:
Hood's Path, on Jan 21 2009, 02:57 PM, said:
Shadow, on Jan 21 2009, 11:24 AM, said:
Wow- caught up I now hate the Illiad, Thyr and Ruse
Unfortunately I think we have a classic inno pissing contest. Fine, it seems over. good.
The HP case, I thought was really good yesterday, even today it rings a bit true. He middle of the roaded it yesterday and has been straight defensive from what I can recall today.
@HP who are some of your suspects. why?
Unfortunately I think we have a classic inno pissing contest. Fine, it seems over. good.
The HP case, I thought was really good yesterday, even today it rings a bit true. He middle of the roaded it yesterday and has been straight defensive from what I can recall today.
@HP who are some of your suspects. why?
To be honest at the moment no one is really jumping out at me. There aren't any cases I would consider very strong. I'm going to go back and ook into the Ruse, Thyrllan argument. There was alot being thrown back and forth there, it could be less than just a differing of opinions. In an effort to be a little less "middle of the road" I'm going to reserve judgement until I am more sure.
As to me being defensive today I probably am. I didn't think Thyrllan's case on D'riss and I was very strong in the first place. I also found it weird that it came as late as it did when there was very little chance of derailing the train against Serc. I've tried to explain my actions several times now, but alas to little avail.
Bolded part is my point: Isn't that the definition of middle of the roading?
Shadow, on Jan 21 2009, 03:22 PM, said:
@ Meanas
I like the Post on Silanah
remove vote
vote Silanah
I would happily vote off Tennes, GL or Silanah as my personal Philosophy is that they (low posters) are hurting us now, but will hurt us infinatly more later. If Sil shows some gameplay in the future I will reconsider.
I like the Post on Silanah
remove vote
vote Silanah
I would happily vote off Tennes, GL or Silanah as my personal Philosophy is that they (low posters) are hurting us now, but will hurt us infinatly more later. If Sil shows some gameplay in the future I will reconsider.
I don't think we need to worry about lynching Silanah. He hasn't been on all day, I don't think I've seen him since before Night. He'll be modkilled soon. If he posts and has no content, then by all means I'll hop on this, but I think if we're out for a low poster then we should be after a subsistence low poster.
Two votes when we need 11 (or nine since there seem to be people with multi vote powers about) are just the beginning of pressure. Plus Sil was on after the morning scene which means that he has only been inactive for a short while. I have every confindence that he will get on and post a one line comment. If he sees some votes then perhaps he will contribute or panic(if scum).
Oh. Well then.
remove vote
vote Silanah
yet two seconds later he also jumps on the silanah train.
Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 09:01 PM, said:
Meanas, on Jan 21 2009, 03:59 PM, said:
I was also going to add that it is a nice looking case. There does seem a lot of suspicious behavior there.
I suppose, but then again, he's claiming to have fingered me and Kasch as Necros. I'd like him to present that case before we lynch him, just for the lulz.
Commenting on the kesso case, quite funny that quote when it is true.
#1551
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Posted 26 January 2009 - 04:04 PM
part 4
Reveals a code to incriminate galain.
Anomandaris follows fener onto a train now. Its also worth poitning out that silanah had posted forty minutes before this and said he was going to read the thread.
And kaschan follows the two of them, before realising it probably wasnt a good idea.
2 reasons. First, I'm stating that I know there's a POSSIBILITY that they are innos. Remember, twins can talk off thread at any time, negating the need for coded messages, no matter how shoddy they might be. Second, I don't think they are. I think it's more likely that Galain saw that code used elsewhere, as I have (I think I saw Yellow use it, don't remember what game though), and figured it was good enough as any to use to signal whatever partner he might have. However, if it were twin innos, I'd expect to see a code from Ruse to back him up. I found no such thing, leading me to believe that Galain could be a creature or symp, attempting to signal his master as to a good kill target. Ergo, now that Silanah has deigned to post something:
remove vote
vote Galain
EDIT: for clarity.
the silanah train hasnt gone anywhere, so our undead is going after galain, who supposedly made a really bad code.
This is the post I meant. Now I do agree that The necros are the best choice now, but to me this seems like he's pushing it too much and trying to convince us the killers arent a problem anymore, he mentions plus we are down one killer like it is a bad thing and we need to stop it happening again, This is stupid lynching the killers hobbles the necromancers as well as there are less kills. That and various things about the wording just seemed off in this post and make me think that Meanas may be a Psycopath or at least a symp. Oh forgot... and because of this for now
Vote Meanas
Although I am still suspicious of mockra because of the symp argument against him but at the moment I think Meanas is a greater possibility
galayn has started to play now.
That trains dead, time for anomandaris to go somewhere else. At one point silanah achieved i think four votes, when tennes our uber low poster got none. Shadow, fener, ano, and kaschan all voted Silanah at one point or another.
Wait you're saying that based on questioning emurlahn and him saying that he targetted either you or Fener that Fener must be the Necromancer? That doesnt make any sense, for the person to have survived they must have been recuited and hence arent the necromancer, or there BP or got healed but I dont see how it points at them being the necromancer really.
Im not entirely sure I believe this reveal as your conclusions seem to make no sense. So i think its more likely that you've revealed medium to try and halt the case on you.
because of this and for the reasons i posted earlier
remove vote
Vote Kessobahn
Quickly jumps to feners defence, voting for the medium.
realises his mistake and removes.
Even when finally voting for fener, there is the need to try and discredit kessobahn.
Anomandaris is reluctant to lynch fener despite the reveal. I do not think there are any cases where a lynch candidate is stronger than when you have a reveal.
Not sure what to make of this, i actually think omtose may be a killer or a symp. He does say he will jump on the fener train though.
Also, WTF... shit is hitting the fan and this is what you have to add? No comment on Kess' reveal? No comment on Fener's play? Very odd Omtose, couple that with the fact that you have basically dropped off the map after day 1. Whats up?
See the bold for minor mentions of both reveal and playstyle.
Also, what else was to add? Everything has been said about Kessobahn - the timing (odd), the possibility of an angle/ fake reveal (though I miss the mention of doing it to out the real Medium), the risk-reward scale. Same about Fener - outing codes is a nono...
But the main deal about Fener (being one of the killer's targets, if Kesso is truely the medium, if he didn't lie about the answer he got, if we choose to believe him) is tied to Kessobahn and whether we believe him or not. Now, I'm wary and puzzled, as I didn't judge this a real good move for a medium to make at this point in time, and didn't expect this from the player I think Kesso is, either.
I do believe the way to find out is voting Fener, as said above by me.
Now, I could have typed all that and you could have essentially say the same: same blahblah we heard from everyone else. So I didn't, but I guess people prefer bleating about the obvious over silent agreement.
Also, I've been fucking busy with work. Yesterday I had time to post, but hey, there was the whole bag of dicks thing going on between Ruse and Thyrllan, and after reading all that crap (yes, I read it ), I was so bloody turned off by the game at that stage that I had no wish whatsoever to reply, even if it was a (de)motivational post like 'fuckers, get your act together.'
Needless to say that in the light of my RP on day 1, it would have been fucking hypocritical to boot.
Thats looking back at day 2, and to me if there is a relationship between players, it is fener, anomandaris and kaschan on day 2. I think perhaps galayn lord is the creature while anomandaris and kaschan are the necromancer pair. Needless to say, tomorrow i will be voting for anomandaris.
I do not have time to go through the rest of the thread, perhaps a few of you lot can go from page 30 onward. Theres a lot of info on day 2, as fener was around for a long time before the reveal and there is a definite relationship between those three, but we need to get the creature first, and i think galayn is a good choice.
Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 09:52 PM, said:
Ahhh, here we go. Code (I think its code) was end of paragraphs, not sentences. Bold added by me.
Galain, on Jan 19 2009, 07:06 AM, said:
Yes it is a ninja costume. How astute of you.
Pirates are passê and very last year.
You really need to brush up on your aesthetics.
@Omtose: No need. If I think that the words I type are invisible, it means that only you can see them. Problem solved. Anyone who can see them is clearly an evil. Generally I don't discriminate between evil and good, but apparently this game is all about dividing people rather than bringing together. Just imagine what a wonderful world we could have if we could all just team up and cast down the mods from their spoiler heaven and bring in a disutopian future.
Pirates are passê and very last year.
You really need to brush up on your aesthetics.
@Omtose: No need. If I think that the words I type are invisible, it means that only you can see them. Problem solved. Anyone who can see them is clearly an evil. Generally I don't discriminate between evil and good, but apparently this game is all about dividing people rather than bringing together. Just imagine what a wonderful world we could have if we could all just team up and cast down the mods from their spoiler heaven and bring in a disutopian future.
Reveals a code to incriminate galain.
Anomandaris, on Jan 21 2009, 10:56 PM, said:
So, looking through I note a lot of nice cases to run with...haven't had a chance to analyse them in detail yet, so until I do, I think I'll try and get some low posters to talk.
Remove Vote
Vote Silanah
*prepares red hot poker*
EDIT: Added in the Remove Vote.
Remove Vote
Vote Silanah
*prepares red hot poker*
EDIT: Added in the Remove Vote.
Anomandaris follows fener onto a train now. Its also worth poitning out that silanah had posted forty minutes before this and said he was going to read the thread.
Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 11:24 PM, said:
Well, you've either just outed a creature, or CI'd two players I'm not sure that ruse anagram is all that hot tbh (although it works better if you take the first e, rather than the last one )
Silanah appears to have RL issues which mean he can't add any content.
Well I'll do him a favour then...
vote Silanah
Cos you can't just post nothing all game.
eta. cross post.
remove vote
I'm off to bed. If Silanah hasn't made that case by the time I get up, I'm putting the vote back on. Nighty night.
Silanah appears to have RL issues which mean he can't add any content.
Well I'll do him a favour then...
vote Silanah
Cos you can't just post nothing all game.
eta. cross post.
remove vote
I'm off to bed. If Silanah hasn't made that case by the time I get up, I'm putting the vote back on. Nighty night.
And kaschan follows the two of them, before realising it probably wasnt a good idea.
Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 11:31 PM, said:
Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 06:26 PM, said:
@Fener: Uh, just wondering - why are you trying to out potentially Inno Twins?
If they are setting up a code to PI later in the game, why would you draw attention to it, and make them a target?
Sort of bizarre, trying to force reveal Innos.
If they are setting up a code to PI later in the game, why would you draw attention to it, and make them a target?
Sort of bizarre, trying to force reveal Innos.
2 reasons. First, I'm stating that I know there's a POSSIBILITY that they are innos. Remember, twins can talk off thread at any time, negating the need for coded messages, no matter how shoddy they might be. Second, I don't think they are. I think it's more likely that Galain saw that code used elsewhere, as I have (I think I saw Yellow use it, don't remember what game though), and figured it was good enough as any to use to signal whatever partner he might have. However, if it were twin innos, I'd expect to see a code from Ruse to back him up. I found no such thing, leading me to believe that Galain could be a creature or symp, attempting to signal his master as to a good kill target. Ergo, now that Silanah has deigned to post something:
remove vote
vote Galain
EDIT: for clarity.
the silanah train hasnt gone anywhere, so our undead is going after galain, who supposedly made a really bad code.
Galayn Lord, on Jan 21 2009, 11:32 PM, said:
Meanas, on Jan 21 2009, 04:03 PM, said:
Ok first congrats to whom ever took out a killer. Nice work. Second reading through all of the last couple of pages made my eyes bleed. You are both retards. If I thought that either one of you was scum I would beat people up to vote for you. Third everybody keeps saying that it is totally obvious that the creature killed Emurlahn last night. I don't see it that way. For all we know a vig took Emurlahn out and the creature targeted someone who was recruited. Which means that the cult could now have 2 extra members. That is the worst case senerio.
Also to whom ever asked if the killers could be recruited. Think about it. Uhhh NO they couldn't. If their symps can't be recruited then the killers definately can't. We don't need to have every little thing spelled out for all of us do we.
With all of the attention that Ruse and thyrllan have been making it would be really easy for a low posting scum to hide. I am against the lynching of a possible symp unless the symps have a power. I would rather not lynch Mockra for being a symp. If he is we will never know for sure and if he isn't then we have lost another innocent.
With the worst case senerio being 2 recruits for the necro's I think that it has become much more obvious that we need to hunt them down. Yesterday when Serc was suggesting that very thing the Necro's didn't yet have a possible 2 recruits. Now they do. Plus we are down one killer.
Someone said that if we kill the Necros then the recruited players (zombies) will revert back to normal and we would win. I don't think that this is a likely case at all. I think that a much more likely senerio is that with the Necro's dead the cult can't recruit. They can still win they just have to get one of the zombies to the end game. With more recruits this stands a higher chance of happening.
I am going to take a look at a couple of players and get a case together.
I have included some of the roles for those of you who are to bloody lazy to go back and read them.
Also to whom ever asked if the killers could be recruited. Think about it. Uhhh NO they couldn't. If their symps can't be recruited then the killers definately can't. We don't need to have every little thing spelled out for all of us do we.
With all of the attention that Ruse and thyrllan have been making it would be really easy for a low posting scum to hide. I am against the lynching of a possible symp unless the symps have a power. I would rather not lynch Mockra for being a symp. If he is we will never know for sure and if he isn't then we have lost another innocent.
With the worst case senerio being 2 recruits for the necro's I think that it has become much more obvious that we need to hunt them down. Yesterday when Serc was suggesting that very thing the Necro's didn't yet have a possible 2 recruits. Now they do. Plus we are down one killer.
Someone said that if we kill the Necros then the recruited players (zombies) will revert back to normal and we would win. I don't think that this is a likely case at all. I think that a much more likely senerio is that with the Necro's dead the cult can't recruit. They can still win they just have to get one of the zombies to the end game. With more recruits this stands a higher chance of happening.
I am going to take a look at a couple of players and get a case together.
I have included some of the roles for those of you who are to bloody lazy to go back and read them.
This is the post I meant. Now I do agree that The necros are the best choice now, but to me this seems like he's pushing it too much and trying to convince us the killers arent a problem anymore, he mentions plus we are down one killer like it is a bad thing and we need to stop it happening again, This is stupid lynching the killers hobbles the necromancers as well as there are less kills. That and various things about the wording just seemed off in this post and make me think that Meanas may be a Psycopath or at least a symp. Oh forgot... and because of this for now
Vote Meanas
Although I am still suspicious of mockra because of the symp argument against him but at the moment I think Meanas is a greater possibility
galayn has started to play now.
Anomandaris, on Jan 21 2009, 11:54 PM, said:
@Rash: Were it not for the fact that Kessobahn did in fact take the time to gloat about his correct guess, I would have been swayed by your case into voting for him. As it is, I still find him suspicious, but I'm not quite prepared to vote for him yet.
@Sil: Sorry for your loss. This may go the tiniest of ways to cheering you up:
Remove Vote
@Sil: Sorry for your loss. This may go the tiniest of ways to cheering you up:
Remove Vote
That trains dead, time for anomandaris to go somewhere else. At one point silanah achieved i think four votes, when tennes our uber low poster got none. Shadow, fener, ano, and kaschan all voted Silanah at one point or another.
Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 01:58 PM, said:
Kessobahn, on Jan 22 2009, 02:26 PM, said:
I asked Emurlahn whom they targeted for a night kill, knowing that the killers want the cult dead as much as the innocents do, if perhaps not more so. Emurlahn, trying to be sneaky said that he targeted either Kessobahn or Fener. He must be tearing his hair about not picking another alt there .. But I was not targeted, so that leaves Fener, and it got me thinknin: If I was the necro, who would I target the first day? And it hit me I probably would've targeted myself. Night 1, trying to predict the night kills is nigh impossible unless there's been a reveal. By protecting themselves, the Necromancers insured they'd not fall to an unlucky shot. After all, with them gone the faction goes with them and they automatically lose the game. They still had one to use on someone else too.
I am convinced that Fener is the Necromancer, and when he comes up guilty, I believe we should go for Kaschan next, though here I have less to go on.
Fener
I am convinced that Fener is the Necromancer, and when he comes up guilty, I believe we should go for Kaschan next, though here I have less to go on.
Fener
Wait you're saying that based on questioning emurlahn and him saying that he targetted either you or Fener that Fener must be the Necromancer? That doesnt make any sense, for the person to have survived they must have been recuited and hence arent the necromancer, or there BP or got healed but I dont see how it points at them being the necromancer really.
Im not entirely sure I believe this reveal as your conclusions seem to make no sense. So i think its more likely that you've revealed medium to try and halt the case on you.
because of this and for the reasons i posted earlier
remove vote
Vote Kessobahn
Quickly jumps to feners defence, voting for the medium.
Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 02:01 PM, said:
Actually thinking about it il give someone time to contradict you as its probably too early to get away with fake revealing , but I still think that your conclusions stink
remove vote
remove vote
realises his mistake and removes.
Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 02:05 PM, said:
Or he could very well be telling the truth about being medium, that doesnt stop him from being the recruit. Especially as he himself says he could have been targetted by emurlahn. In a game like this Its not safe to assume that the people with these roles are innocents.
Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 02:19 PM, said:
Im inclined to agree with Ruse here the only way I can see to prove Kesso wrong one way or another is to get a CF on Fener.
Vote Fener
Now I just hope Kesso isnt a symp
Vote Fener
Now I just hope Kesso isnt a symp
Even when finally voting for fener, there is the need to try and discredit kessobahn.
Anomandaris, on Jan 22 2009, 02:32 PM, said:
Right, well I'm not entirely sure that reveal was wise, but I guess what's done is done. From your evidence, I would be more inclined to draw the conclusion that Fener was recruited last night, as opposed to actually being one of the Necromancers (although that doesn't preclude him from being the Creature...hmm). If possible, I'd prefer to try and target the necromancers themselves as opposed to the undead - cut off the head and we stop the cult from growing, y'know? So I figure we should hold off on lynching Fener until we don't have any other avenues to pursue.
I'll admit that despite all the muck that people have been raking up (admirably large quantities ), there isn't really a strong candidate for a lynch today thus far. However, I'll hold off on voting for Fener for a little while just in case something else appears.
I'll admit that despite all the muck that people have been raking up (admirably large quantities ), there isn't really a strong candidate for a lynch today thus far. However, I'll hold off on voting for Fener for a little while just in case something else appears.
Anomandaris is reluctant to lynch fener despite the reveal. I do not think there are any cases where a lynch candidate is stronger than when you have a reveal.
Omtose, on Jan 22 2009, 03:52 PM, said:
Vote Galayn Lord.
I think you've made a few rather visible mistakes on the past few pages and jumped pretty high each time the mistake was revealed, only to bounce back with another flawed post.
You started by voting Kessobahn - then, upon reaction, you're withdrawing and saying you didn't think things through. Hello, this is the single biggest point so far in the game, why didn't you think before you posted?
Then, you tried to discredit his reveal by pointing out Serc as the possible medium - when that was practically impossible due to the presence of a CF after his death - yet you missed that... again!
It reeks of trying to do some damage control and cast doubt, but done hastily.
Now, I doubt I can get a full train on your ass with the reveal and the light in which it portrays Fener, but since I'll be around for most of the evening and can remove vote any time, it's the best way to point out that you're behaving somewhat erratically.
I think you've made a few rather visible mistakes on the past few pages and jumped pretty high each time the mistake was revealed, only to bounce back with another flawed post.
You started by voting Kessobahn - then, upon reaction, you're withdrawing and saying you didn't think things through. Hello, this is the single biggest point so far in the game, why didn't you think before you posted?
Then, you tried to discredit his reveal by pointing out Serc as the possible medium - when that was practically impossible due to the presence of a CF after his death - yet you missed that... again!
It reeks of trying to do some damage control and cast doubt, but done hastily.
Now, I doubt I can get a full train on your ass with the reveal and the light in which it portrays Fener, but since I'll be around for most of the evening and can remove vote any time, it's the best way to point out that you're behaving somewhat erratically.
Not sure what to make of this, i actually think omtose may be a killer or a symp. He does say he will jump on the fener train though.
Omtose, on Jan 22 2009, 05:59 PM, said:
Shadow, on Jan 22 2009, 06:49 PM, said:
Omtose, on Jan 22 2009, 07:52 AM, said:
Vote Galayn Lord.
I think you've made a few rather visible mistakes on the past few pages and jumped pretty high each time the mistake was revealed, only to bounce back with another flawed post.
You started by voting Kessobahn - then, upon reaction, you're withdrawing and saying you didn't think things through. Hello, this is the single biggest point so far in the game, why didn't you think before you posted?
Then, you tried to discredit his reveal by pointing out Serc as the possible medium - when that was practically impossible due to the presence of a CF after his death - yet you missed that... again!
It reeks of trying to do some damage control and cast doubt, but done hastily.
Now, I doubt I can get a full train on your ass with the reveal and the light in which it portrays Fener, but since I'll be around for most of the evening and can remove vote any time, it's the best way to point out that you're behaving somewhat erratically.
I think you've made a few rather visible mistakes on the past few pages and jumped pretty high each time the mistake was revealed, only to bounce back with another flawed post.
You started by voting Kessobahn - then, upon reaction, you're withdrawing and saying you didn't think things through. Hello, this is the single biggest point so far in the game, why didn't you think before you posted?
Then, you tried to discredit his reveal by pointing out Serc as the possible medium - when that was practically impossible due to the presence of a CF after his death - yet you missed that... again!
It reeks of trying to do some damage control and cast doubt, but done hastily.
Now, I doubt I can get a full train on your ass with the reveal and the light in which it portrays Fener, but since I'll be around for most of the evening and can remove vote any time, it's the best way to point out that you're behaving somewhat erratically.
Also, WTF... shit is hitting the fan and this is what you have to add? No comment on Kess' reveal? No comment on Fener's play? Very odd Omtose, couple that with the fact that you have basically dropped off the map after day 1. Whats up?
See the bold for minor mentions of both reveal and playstyle.
Also, what else was to add? Everything has been said about Kessobahn - the timing (odd), the possibility of an angle/ fake reveal (though I miss the mention of doing it to out the real Medium), the risk-reward scale. Same about Fener - outing codes is a nono...
But the main deal about Fener (being one of the killer's targets, if Kesso is truely the medium, if he didn't lie about the answer he got, if we choose to believe him) is tied to Kessobahn and whether we believe him or not. Now, I'm wary and puzzled, as I didn't judge this a real good move for a medium to make at this point in time, and didn't expect this from the player I think Kesso is, either.
I do believe the way to find out is voting Fener, as said above by me.
Now, I could have typed all that and you could have essentially say the same: same blahblah we heard from everyone else. So I didn't, but I guess people prefer bleating about the obvious over silent agreement.
Also, I've been fucking busy with work. Yesterday I had time to post, but hey, there was the whole bag of dicks thing going on between Ruse and Thyrllan, and after reading all that crap (yes, I read it ), I was so bloody turned off by the game at that stage that I had no wish whatsoever to reply, even if it was a (de)motivational post like 'fuckers, get your act together.'
Needless to say that in the light of my RP on day 1, it would have been fucking hypocritical to boot.
Thats looking back at day 2, and to me if there is a relationship between players, it is fener, anomandaris and kaschan on day 2. I think perhaps galayn lord is the creature while anomandaris and kaschan are the necromancer pair. Needless to say, tomorrow i will be voting for anomandaris.
I do not have time to go through the rest of the thread, perhaps a few of you lot can go from page 30 onward. Theres a lot of info on day 2, as fener was around for a long time before the reveal and there is a definite relationship between those three, but we need to get the creature first, and i think galayn is a good choice.
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Posted 26 January 2009 - 04:11 PM
I dislike when people follow each other on thread as a means for determining relationships, but it really is important here. Ano has stated multiple times about how we are wrong about the need to remove the cf, but if we knew for fact that kessobahn was the medium and that fener was undead, any future cf would have left the necromancers with no chance of survival, let alone victory. There was way too much interaction day 2 when they felt confident in their position and they let too much slip. That it was a killer removed night one was actually a blow for them as the killer had no reason to lie and outed their recruit. Kessobahn had to die because the logical steps would be fener - kaschan - anomandaris based solely on day 2.
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Posted 26 January 2009 - 04:21 PM
Liosan, on Jan 26 2009, 10:06 AM, said:
Sorry about the weird post lengths, it wouldn't let me post in order. My suspect for necromancer is ano, i think galayn is the creature and omtose is possibly a killer or symp.
As I stated in an earlier post, I think we need to look at Ano next. I had their roles reversed, I feel GL is a necro and Ano is the creature. Ano has tried to discount strong cases on three occasions now, saying he doesn't find them to have much merit. He then tries diverting out attention by voting for someone completely different, who wasn't even on the readar previously . He's attempted to derail several trains with the excuse of not wanting to speed lynch. It's also the timing of his posts, he waits until we have something going and then comes in to try to change our minds for no apparent reason. He hasn't really started any of the days out with a case of his own. His posts normally appear after we are really focused on an individual. I get the feeling that he is the creature trying to protect his masters. Even if I have the roles mixed up and Liosan is correct, he still warrants serious consideration and attention.
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Posted 26 January 2009 - 04:26 PM
Phew, busy as hell and lots to read, but now I'm up to date.
Several cases on GL but the last one by Liosan drove the final nail in the coffin
Vote Galayn Lord
Now for a look at Anomandaris, will be back soon hopefully, with something constructive.
Several cases on GL but the last one by Liosan drove the final nail in the coffin
Vote Galayn Lord
Now for a look at Anomandaris, will be back soon hopefully, with something constructive.
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Posted 26 January 2009 - 04:39 PM
I'm here after 6 glorious hours of sleep. I love naps.
@ Anno- I can see your point on whether or not the Necro's would want the CF. But you sum it up nicely in your previous posts. I just put more stock in it cause I thought he was guilty. Liosan puts it nicely when he says:
"Ano has stated multiple times about how we are wrong about the need to remove the cf, but if we knew for fact that kessobahn was the medium and that fener was undead, any future cf would have left the necromancers with no chance of survival, let alone victory. There was way too much interaction day 2 when they felt confident in their position and they let too much slip. That it was a killer removed night one was actually a blow for them as the killer had no reason to lie and outed their recruit. Kessobahn had to die because the logical steps would be fener - kaschan - anomandaris based solely on day 2." (this was Liosan. Sorry for the lack of quote tag)
This is what I was trying to say. maybe Liosan put it better than me. So, Anno I guess we Agree to disagree. (in my best Ron Burgandy Voice).
@ Liosan-I know I'm not the focus on your day 2 observations, but I thought I would point something out in regards to my switching from GL (who had barely contributed...4-5 posts I think) to Silanah. As I have stated in a bunch of previous posts I think Day 2 is a good time to go after low posters. At that point there were 3 GL, Sil, And Tennes. When given the choice I usually like to vote the one That seems like they might be trying to lay low, yet post just a tad to look like they are playing. At that point Tennes had a total of 2 posts. There was really nothing there. Sil and GL were pretty much on par with each other. I chose GL, but when I saw a vote for Sil, I was just as happy to move my vote there. I would have done the same for Tennes. I would have voted for any of those three. Good post on the relationship between those three. I never really considered Anno to be Necro, but after that evidence, it does bear some looking into. If I remember right, he was off and on the Serc train day 1. I'm going to go back and see what I can.
@ Anno- I can see your point on whether or not the Necro's would want the CF. But you sum it up nicely in your previous posts. I just put more stock in it cause I thought he was guilty. Liosan puts it nicely when he says:
"Ano has stated multiple times about how we are wrong about the need to remove the cf, but if we knew for fact that kessobahn was the medium and that fener was undead, any future cf would have left the necromancers with no chance of survival, let alone victory. There was way too much interaction day 2 when they felt confident in their position and they let too much slip. That it was a killer removed night one was actually a blow for them as the killer had no reason to lie and outed their recruit. Kessobahn had to die because the logical steps would be fener - kaschan - anomandaris based solely on day 2." (this was Liosan. Sorry for the lack of quote tag)
This is what I was trying to say. maybe Liosan put it better than me. So, Anno I guess we Agree to disagree. (in my best Ron Burgandy Voice).
@ Liosan-I know I'm not the focus on your day 2 observations, but I thought I would point something out in regards to my switching from GL (who had barely contributed...4-5 posts I think) to Silanah. As I have stated in a bunch of previous posts I think Day 2 is a good time to go after low posters. At that point there were 3 GL, Sil, And Tennes. When given the choice I usually like to vote the one That seems like they might be trying to lay low, yet post just a tad to look like they are playing. At that point Tennes had a total of 2 posts. There was really nothing there. Sil and GL were pretty much on par with each other. I chose GL, but when I saw a vote for Sil, I was just as happy to move my vote there. I would have done the same for Tennes. I would have voted for any of those three. Good post on the relationship between those three. I never really considered Anno to be Necro, but after that evidence, it does bear some looking into. If I remember right, he was off and on the Serc train day 1. I'm going to go back and see what I can.
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Posted 26 January 2009 - 04:41 PM
Mockra, on Jan 26 2009, 04:37 PM, said:
ok, i'm back now
I believe GL's at L-1 now
should I hammer, or do we want more discussion before we do so?
I believe GL's at L-1 now
should I hammer, or do we want more discussion before we do so?
Assuming that a double voter is on the train then yes he is at L-1.
I have had enough discussion on GL and he has posted his defense. Personally there are 3 cases on him any one of which are good enough to lynch him off of. I have already vote though. If you want to wait till who ever hasn't posted yet can post then go ahead.
