[Shadow]

Mockra, on Jan 26 2009, 08:37 AM, said:

ok, i'm back now
I believe GL's at L-1 now

should I hammer, or do we want more discussion before we do so?

Up to you. He's had a chance to defend, twice. If you think there is another viable lynch out there, or if someone needs looking at I would hold off. If you think GL is really a Necro you should pull the trigger. totally your call.

[Shadow]

Mockra, on Jan 26 2009, 08:37 AM, said:

ok, i'm back now
I believe GL's at L-1 now

should I hammer, or do we want more discussion before we do so?

Just went back and looked. I think its L-2 anyway, but maybe a Double voter on. so not sure there.

[Mockra]

checked back, you're right, it's L-2 right now.

hmm, well tbh, i'm just afraid theat there are more cultists out there than we'd like, so i'd like people to talk, just sowe can catch any possible slips.
the more scum we'll have, the more willing people will get to go for speed-lynches, esp, if the lynchee'll happen to be inno.


personally, i'm hoping that GL is the creature who jumped up foolishly to defend his master when Kesso revealed.

[Mockra]

right, i'm around for the next 3 hours, before next class. have to do some reading now, will keep browser open.

if nothing of interesr has happened in the next two hours, i'll vote, though it may possibly be the lynch, if there's an executioner on the train.

[Shadow]

Mockra, on Jan 26 2009, 08:53 AM, said:

personally, i'm hoping that GL is the creature who jumped up foolishly to defend his master when Kesso revealed.

Me too. It will be interesting to see if there are 1 or 2 NK's if we get a GL lynch. I guess we might get a Vig kill and a Killer Kill. ( boy would that throw us off ) But if there is only 1 nk, I would bet GL was the creature. There are 16 players and Necro's only get to submit 2 names. Thats quite the crap shoot on who to pick. Though maybe not as big as I think considering there is uncertainty out there regarding Omtose, Annomandaris, Silanah and Me.

[Galayn Lord]

Well Id say Meanas needs to be looked at because at the moment I seem to be the only one whose suspicious of him, and then he made a flimsy case on me.

[Anomandaris]

Very nice case by Liosan, there. I am rather disconcerted that there was so much linking Fener and myself together, as there was nothing intentional about that at all. The only real defence I can fall back on is that it was in fact a coincidence that we kept voting the same way, but I'm fairly sure that's not going to sway many of you, so I'll try for a little more in the hope that I can diffuse the situation early and keep us on track for the actual scum.

It seems odd to me that a team would take such a risk as to associate themselves together as early as Day 2 - if anything, the scum should still be distancing from each other at that point, yes? Were I indeed scum, such a strategy would seem reckless and unnecessary at that point in the game (Sorry if that's a little WIFOM-y, but that's all I've got I'm afraid).

Also, regarding the fact that I followed Fener onto Silanah - it was a tossup between Tennes, Silanah and GL at that point, and I chose Silanah because I noted that he had already made a post about reading up. I have many a time been frustrated by players who put down their "I'm here, catching up!" marker, and then never actually say anything else of substance, I was hoping that this time Silanah would actually join the party and start playing for real. The vote achieved its intended purpose so I removed it.

Regarding my 'reluctance to vote for Fener even after the reveal', I guess I mistyped there - I was trying to say that none of the other cases that day had been particularly strong. The evidence that Kessobahn presented suggested to me that Fener was a recruit to the undead team as opposed to being a Necromancer to start, so I was prepared to see if that reveal ushered forward any more information that might lead to the original Necromancers. Believe me I would have been perfectly willing to hammer if need be.

I will stand by my assessment that removing the CF from the game was what Team Necro would have done anyway, and that you can pretty much make it fit any case you desire, which reduces its usefulness as evidence to pretty much nil. In any case, would it really have been logical to go Fener -> Kaschan -> Ano if we'd had the CFs? Ask yourself, if I hadn't been retroactively defending Kaschan, would my name have popped up in connection to the two of them at all? I'm inclined to think not - I spent the first few days thinking that were I indeed scum then I would have been hiding perfectly, because noone had called any attention to me at all (from memory, I think one person mentioned me as being a little suspect at one point, but that was about it). Would it be worth me breaking my cover on something that had already happened and couldn't be changed? Not really, no. I spoke up after the Kaschan lynch because I honestly believed that we had made a mistake and that we were being led astray...a more reasonable explanation than that I was doing it out of some sense of misguided loyalty to a dead teammate, surely.

Finally, I dislike the way HP brought up me trying to delay trains. I don't see what is scummy about that at all - I still voted for Serc, and would still have voted for Fener should it have been necessary. I just happen to feel that every player deserves a chance to give a defence, no matter how strong the case. Helps me pretend that justice has been served .

And now I'm off to do some work. Might be back after dinner - we shall see.

[Thyrllan]

Hey, im back.
Quickly browsed, but need a more detailed re-read.
Dissapointed that, even after a whole weekend of absence, im still highest poster.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 4 - 24 Hours till Day end.

16 players still playing, 9 votes to lynch, 8 votes for night

1 vote for Anomandaris (Galayn Lord)
7 vote for Galayn Lord (Liosan, Omtose, Meanas, Hood's Path, Korlat, Shadow, D'riss)
1 vote for Shadow (Anomandaris)

7 have not voted: Galain, Mockra, Rashan, Ruse, Silanah, Tennes, Thyrllan.

[Shadow]

Thyrllan, on Jan 26 2009, 09:33 AM, said:

Hey, im back.
Quickly browsed, but need a more detailed re-read.
Dissapointed that, even after a whole weekend of absence, im still highest poster.

Well its not like you have 836% more posts than Tennes...oh you do? Damn

On a Tennes note. If my calc's are correct, he posted last 10 hrs and 40 min before PS announced the weekend freeze. That combined with the 11 hrs since the game has started up, he has 3 hours to post before a modkill.

[Korlat]

Shadow, on Jan 26 2009, 09:53 AM, said:

On a Tennes note. If my calc's are correct, he posted last 10 hrs and 40 min before PS announced the weekend freeze. That combined with the 11 hrs since the game has started up, he has 3 hours to post before a modkill.

I'm sure he'll show up at the last second, post something content free, promise to come back soon to contribute, and then not be seen for 23.5 hours.

[Rashan]

Vote Galayn Lord

Way too much evidence to not do so. If there is a double voter on thats a lynch. I was thinking about holding off, but GL posted, said he would look at Meanas and didn't say anything about his inevitable lynch. If I am at L-2 I fight and fight until you all get tired of listening.

[Rashan]

Now, I believe its time for some analysis from me.

What if - (Warning extremely crazy theory!)

What if the Medium was in fact a symp? During my drunken revelry I was thinking how the hell the killers could be balanced with the cult and a large group of inno's. SO I thought, well if the symp was in fact the medium, then him coming forward so early with evidence of a necro, would get him killed by the creature, but still get his masters a necro, and the advantage of having no CF for team inno. Thats the only reason I can see Morgy outing himself like that. Crazy theory, but I just couldn't help but think it was an important thing to bring to light.

What if- Tennes is the Creature. I mean think about it, Tennes hasn't had more than one or two pressure votes, even though there has been alot of talk about lynching him. I mean really why come out and incriminate yourself, when no one is even putting pressure on you to do so? Just strikes me as a good strategy for someone to hide. Now, if in fact it is a strategy, then tomorrow(or whenever we get to it.), when the votes start piling up, Tennes can hop on, add a contribution and then start playing regularly with a 4 day advantage. I worry about that.

Now that the crazy thoughts are out of the way, I'll talk about my suspects.

Ano- some ild attention brought up, but there really isn't solid evidence to push a lynch on him. He has made some really good cases and at this point would be very hard to lynch. I note also that today he was very active and building huge cases, that might hold water. This type of behavior has made me think he was recruited. He is a great candidate, and he is very helpful, so we would be tempted to keep him around longer. But again there is very little evidence, call this one a gut feeling.

Mockra - Flys way below my radar. I barely remember he's playing, and can't remember much at all about him. I do recall Mockra day 1, getting some heat for pushing so hard on Thyr, and the Illiad thing. But sense then he's just kind of dropped off everyone's radar. Just a big question mark, as he seems to be very good at wiggleing out of trouble, by ignoring the cases on him at the time. What strikes me as amazing, is the actual content of his posts. hes the 3rd highest poster, and I just don't remember anything important ever coming out of any of these. Maybe some of you do, and I am just not focused enough on him in the past.

Tennes - For the above. Unknowns worry me.

This post has been edited by Rashan: 26 January 2009 - 06:51 PM

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 4 -

16 players still playing, 9 votes to lynch, 8 votes for night

1 vote for Anomandaris (Galayn Lord)
8 vote for Galayn Lord (Liosan, Omtose, Meanas, Hood's Path, Korlat, Shadow, D'riss, Rashan)
1 vote for Shadow (Anomandaris)

6 have not voted: Galain, Mockra, Ruse, Silanah, Tennes, Thyrllan.




---

The week end start. You hear some strange noises - psychopathic laughs, unhuman yells, and various sinister noises - but strangely nobody seems to care.

On monday morning, things take a turn for the serious.

"Where were we?" ask some.

"Oh, yeah, Galain Lord."

"Indeed..."

"Sure..."

"No problem..."

"Here's the rope!"

Galayn Lord (Baudin) has been lynched.


It is now night. Those concerned, please send your night action.

[Shadow]

Rashan, on Jan 26 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

What strikes me as amazing, is the actual content of his posts. hes the 3rd highest poster, and I just don't remember anything important ever coming out of any of these. Maybe some of you do, and I am just not focused enough on him in the past.

I think the Majority of those posts were about the Illiad. Mmmmm spamaliouscious Spam is Spamtastic.

As to your Symp/Medium theory.. It could be possible. Thoug I think that migh un balance it a bit. All the killers need to do is Kill. dosn't matter if its Necro or Inno. They can't be recruited.It would be in their best interests to get rid of the CF asap and hope they kill the Psychic. then inno would be flying totally blind.

Anyway, I'm off for a few hours. back later

[Mockra]

huh
well, that settles that, I suppose...

[Mockra]

Rashan, on Jan 26 2009, 01:50 PM, said:

Now, I believe its time for some analysis from me.

What if - (Warning extremely crazy theory!)

What if the Medium was in fact a symp? During my drunken revelry I was thinking how the hell the killers could be balanced with the cult and a large group of inno's. SO I thought, well if the symp was in fact the medium, then him coming forward so early with evidence of a necro, would get him killed by the creature, but still get his masters a necro, and the advantage of having no CF for team inno. Thats the only reason I can see Morgy outing himself like that. Crazy theory, but I just couldn't help but think it was an important thing to bring to light.

What if- Tennes is the Creature. I mean think about it, Tennes hasn't had more than one or two pressure votes, even though there has been alot of talk about lynching him. I mean really why come out and incriminate yourself, when no one is even putting pressure on you to do so? Just strikes me as a good strategy for someone to hide. Now, if in fact it is a strategy, then tomorrow(or whenever we get to it.), when the votes start piling up, Tennes can hop on, add a contribution and then start playing regularly with a 4 day advantage. I worry about that.

Now that the crazy thoughts are out of the way, I'll talk about my suspects.

Ano- some ild attention brought up, but there really isn't solid evidence to push a lynch on him. He has made some really good cases and at this point would be very hard to lynch. I note also that today he was very active and building huge cases, that might hold water. This type of behavior has made me think he was recruited. He is a great candidate, and he is very helpful, so we would be tempted to keep him around longer. But again there is very little evidence, call this one a gut feeling.

Mockra - Flys way below my radar. I barely remember he's playing, and can't remember much at all about him. I do recall Mockra day 1, getting some heat for pushing so hard on Thyr, and the Illiad thing. But sense then he's just kind of dropped off everyone's radar. Just a big question mark, as he seems to be very good at wiggleing out of trouble, by ignoring the cases on him at the time. What strikes me as amazing, is the actual content of his posts. hes the 3rd highest poster, and I just don't remember anything important ever coming out of any of these. Maybe some of you do, and I am just not focused enough on him in the past.

Tennes - For the above. Unknowns worry me.

right, to adress this-please direct me to a good case (note the "good") on day 2. if a case is good, I wouldn't have "wiggled" out of it. but there was no good case. there were some loose accusations, among them, iirc, me not being on the Serc train (oh noes! I didn't vote off an inno!)
As for my lack of contribution day 3-I've been sick most of the weekend. Still am, in fact.
If you have suspicions about me, read my posts--it's not hard, and only a quarter of them are about the iliad, then make a case, tell me what you think I did that's scummy and i'll answer to it.
if your "cases" are flimsy and have nofactual merit backing them up, my response to them will be similar--it's not "wiggling out", that would presume I was worried about the case, that there was pressure on me being lynched. it's simply showing how weak the case on me was in the first place.

This post has been edited by Mockra: 26 January 2009 - 07:17 PM

[Korlat]

I have the bad feeling it's going to be a long Night ... it'll probably end right before I have to head to bed in RL.

[Mockra]

well, I have an 8:30 lab tomorrow, and the night wil time out at 2AM overhere.... and in all likelyhood i'll be up that long waiting for the result,

[Meanas]

I really wish people would send in provisions. I am only on for another hour then I am off myself. I think that we have several suspects for tomorrow. I want to hear from Tennes. I think that we might be starting to get down to the point were we can't afford to have a noncontributing player around. I would be very nice if he got modkilled (save us the trouble of a lynch). I have no wish to lose a game due to a killer or Necro not being lynched due to them not posting but once every 36 hours.