[Thyrllan]

My quoting functionality is a bit broken but I'll try just now.

Actually I think Liosan should be Tier 1 as well.

[Mockra]

Had a more detailed read through. I was thinking that Thyrllan would be lynch protected but I don't think that counts as a day action does it? Would be interested if a Mod will confirm on that.

Also I think Anthony or someone else in Julii must be able to recruit. Why would Thyrllan have an action that lets him know every day who everyone in his faction is, if the number wasn't going to increase through a recruit? Doesn't make sense otherwise.

Regardless of all that, dunno if its worth lynching Thyrllan or not people have brought up some reasonable points as to why we shouldn't. I'll wait and see if the mod will confirm a lynch is counted as a Day Action.

[Korlat]

Kaschan, on Jan 6 2009, 02:43 PM, said:

Korlat, on Jan 5 2009, 10:25 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Jan 6 2009, 01:18 PM, said:

And remember, he does know who to pick to bodyguard, it's one of his Day powers to get a list of all Julii except Marc Anthony. Hell, that's even more of an incentive to the Julii to get rid of one of their co-leaders - to avoid being a target.

He gets to find out one Julii member each morning, but we don't know if that includes Day 1. I was thinking that it might not simply because the role description states that Any day and night actions targeting you will target that player instead for as long as the player is alive.

Actually, he learns the identities of all Julii members except Marc Anthony.

Makes me wonder if Marc Anthony has the same power, with the exception being Octavian ... which he now knows, of course.

Oops, it seems I misread the scene. Apologies.

[Path-Shaper]

Lynching is not an action.

[Ampelas]

So in other words we can lynch the brat whenever and in the mean time leave him to use his fellow Julii as meat shields

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 06 January 2009 - 08:12 AM

[Korlat]

Mockra, on Jan 6 2009, 03:06 PM, said:

Also I think Anthony or someone else in Julii must be able to recruit. Why would Thyrllan have an action that lets him know every day who everyone in his faction is, if the number wasn't going to increase through a recruit? Doesn't make sense otherwise.

Well I think it's fair to assume that the other factions will be able to recruit...so the numbers might be decreasing.

[Ampelas]

Alright thats me off for now, should be back later.

Though I see that P-S still has not given us a time or vote update.....

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 1.
You have 11 hours and 44 minutes.

11 votes needed to lynch, 10 votes needed for night.
1 player has voted for Silanah (Emurlahn)
1 players has voted for Ampelas (Shadow)
1 player has voted for D'riss (Kessobahn)
3 players have voted for Kessobahn (Thyrllan, D’riss, Omtose)
4 players have voted for Thyrllan (Ampelas, Kaschan, Liosan, Mockra)

10 players have not voted: HP, Fener, Tennes, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, , Silanah, Rashan, Korlat, Ruse, Serc

[Ampelas]

Ah! Thank you Path-Shaper.

And in the interested of not helping the Julii gain the power to recruit:

Remove vote

Edit: Ok this is me gone for real now

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 06 January 2009 - 08:18 AM

[Thyrllan]

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I think a Thyr lynch is something that 2/3 of the people here would want to get behind. It is Day 1 and for 2 faction this is a giveaway. Now there is no need to possibly lynch anyone on your faction. Worst-case senario is that Thyr used the day power and has a Julii guard who will die instead. Either way a Julii will die if a lynch occurs.

That was Liosan.

Basically ignores the fact that killing me will actually strengthen the Julii and especially Marc Anthony, who I am convinced will only gain recruiting powers once I die. I mean it could just be sloppy thinking and not thinking past the point of the day 1 lynch. If the game was 1 day long then it would make perfect sense to lynch me. But it's not. I think killing me is liable to throw the game balance in Marc Anthony's favour in the post day 1 world.

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I'd also point out that there's absolutely no point in letting Thyrllan live at this point. The Julii (especially Marc Anthony) will want him dead to give themselves a single leader and provide a vital win condition. The other two factions will want him dead simply to take down a Julii, especially such a powerful one.

So, unless there's a good argument towards letting him live (i.e., just let him get NKed, if possible):

Remove Vote

Vote Thyrllan

Kashlan. Kashlan has also been the most aggressive anti-Thyr proponent.

Again, ignores any potential future costs of a lynch. Same thing as Liosan basically.

Anyone who has the mental agility to see past day 1 has not voted for me. The problem for me is I was hoping only one person would be silly enough to allow themselves to not think things through due to being focused on their one primary wish for an outcome, but there are two. One of them might be slightly cunning but the other one has a brain with dinosaur specifications.

Diligentia maximum etiam mediocris ingeni subsidium.

Libenter homines id quod volunt credunt.

[Mockra]

Korlat, on Jan 6 2009, 10:11 AM, said:

Mockra, on Jan 6 2009, 03:06 PM, said:

Also I think Anthony or someone else in Julii must be able to recruit. Why would Thyrllan have an action that lets him know every day who everyone in his faction is, if the number wasn't going to increase through a recruit? Doesn't make sense otherwise.

Well I think it's fair to assume that the other factions will be able to recruit...so the numbers might be decreasing.

Ahh good point never thought of that. I still think its somewhat unlikely we have a game with 3 cults and only 2 of them could recruit to start with though.

Since the Mod hasn't said, I'm guessing they aren't going to tell us if a lynch is counted as a day action.
Mr Mod?

[Emurlahn]

OK, interesting.

One thing I find strange:

Path-Shaper, on Jan 6 2009, 01:51 AM, said:

Thyrllan is Octavianus of the Julii faction[/b]
You are young Octavianus, Caesar's nephew and his heir. You and Marc Anthony are embroiled in a fierce battle over control of the Julii faction. You (and your faction) win when the Julii have achieved a majority in the council and Marc Anthony is dead. Your role has the following benefits:

Day Power: each morning, you learn the identity of every Julii alt in the game, except for the player who is Marc Anthony.

Day Power: you can target a fellow Julii. This Julii will be your bodyguard. Any day and night actions targeting you will target that player instead for as long as the player is alive.

Night Power: When (and only then) Marc Anthony is dead, you will be able to recruit for the Julii faction.

Passive Power: You cannot be recruited by other factions.

each morning, he gets the names of the other Julii, and has a day power where he can target one of them as a bodyguard. Thyrllan was one of the first posters of the game, so why on Earth didn't he do that first thing? I mean, hell, I would have, who knows what kind of day vigs can be around this TMDI9 game?

Yet the day-find ended up on him, and I'm quite sure a find is an "action". Why wasn't it deflected? Is it possible that Thyrllan is actually the one chosen as a bodyguard, and ended up with the CF of his master?

[Emurlahn]

Mockra, on Jan 6 2009, 10:27 AM, said:

Since the Mod hasn't said, I'm guessing they aren't going to tell us if a lynch is counted as a day action.
Mr Mod?

He said: it is not. We can lynch him even if he has a bodyguard

[Thyrllan]

Emurlahn: That didn't happen. I'm not a bodyguard.

[Emurlahn]

Personally, I don't want to lynch Thyrllan. Assuming his role PM is complete, I don't see anything that is dangerous to anyone, until Marc Anthony is dead, and if that ever happens (and we have full CF in this game, so we'll know) we only have to lynch him then. I don't see any NK ability there.

[Path-Shaper]

F6) Coroner Finder is in effect: you'll learn player, alt and the faction the player was aligned to at the moment of death.

The reveal of Thyrllan is in no way representative for CF.

[Silanah]

Emurlahn, on Jan 6 2009, 04:29 AM, said:

OK, interesting.

One thing I find strange:

Path-Shaper, on Jan 6 2009, 01:51 AM, said:

Thyrllan is Octavianus of the Julii faction[/b]
You are young Octavianus, Caesar's nephew and his heir. You and Marc Anthony are embroiled in a fierce battle over control of the Julii faction. You (and your faction) win when the Julii have achieved a majority in the council and Marc Anthony is dead. Your role has the following benefits:

Day Power: each morning, you learn the identity of every Julii alt in the game, except for the player who is Marc Anthony.

Day Power: you can target a fellow Julii. This Julii will be your bodyguard. Any day and night actions targeting you will target that player instead for as long as the player is alive.

Night Power: When (and only then) Marc Anthony is dead, you will be able to recruit for the Julii faction.

Passive Power: You cannot be recruited by other factions.

each morning, he gets the names of the other Julii, and has a day power where he can target one of them as a bodyguard. Thyrllan was one of the first posters of the game, so why on Earth didn't he do that first thing? I mean, hell, I would have, who knows what kind of day vigs can be around this TMDI9 game?

Yet the day-find ended up on him, and I'm quite sure a find is an "action". Why wasn't it deflected? Is it possible that Thyrllan is actually the one chosen as a bodyguard, and ended up with the CF of his master?

I don't believe that he had chosen a bodyguard yet. I think he has already admitted to be Octavianus as well. I'm sure that the finder action probably would have been reflected if he had a bodyguard but it would have shown the role of the bodyguard.

[Emurlahn]

Thyrllan, on Jan 6 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

Emurlahn: That didn't happen. I'm not a bodyguard.

Even if you were, you would say that. That would be you playing for your team by protecting your leader.

Tell me this then: did you chose a bodyguard earlier today? If not, why not? And if so, why did the find end up on you?

[Thyrllan]

I didn't choose a bodyguard. I didn't have a reason for not doing so per se.

[Path-Shaper]

For the sake of clarity:

Day Power: you can target a fellow Julii. This Julii will be your bodyguard. Any day and night actions targeting you will target that player instead for as long as the player is alive.

This does indeed mean that the chosen bodyguard (and thus not Octavianus) would have been revealed, unless an action was to specifically negate the existence of a bodyguard, of course, in which case Octavian would be revealed. The ability quoted above does not imprint Octavian's abilities on another character for the purpose of finds.

EDIT: I'll go back to lurking and answering PMs now

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 06 January 2009 - 09:03 AM