[Gamelon]

well, completely off topic now, I'd like to mention that I have a TOTALLY FUCKING AWESOME alt pic.

[Ruse]

Its not too bad, but mines better look at my new shiny waves , and no bloody snow man!!!!

[Gamelon]

lol, I never noticed a snowman. But come on, the dark thin wings, the cloudy, non-corporeal body, and the cool little spell casting under way are just too cool for school. seriously, I can see your avatar at the beach any day.

[Gamelon]

well, time to watch the hockey game. Go...Canada. G'night guys.

[Ruse]

well before my avatar was
[attachment=1589:av_8002.jpg]

And yeah that is one of the better avatars although the Anomander Rake one just blows the others out of the water in that respect

[Ruse]

Well im off now, need some sleep, may not be on for much of tomorrow because Il be on a train for most of the day.

[Korlat]

Ruse, on Jan 6 2009, 06:58 AM, said:

Is it still day or are we in night now?

Im not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing that octavanius is now dead as it means the Julii are in the same boat as the rest of us now with just having to be the last person standing.
EDIT also thats a far more detailed CF than I was expecting

That sounds rather fishy...could this be our revealer, I wonder?

[Korlat]

That information about Octavian sure does make things a lot easier for Marc Anthony...

I'm quite interested by the bodyguard mechanic. I'd have to assume that Thyrllan didn't get the name of a fellow Julii at the beginning of the game, or else he would have made him his bodyguard immediately and the uberfind thing would have hit that player instead. The other upshot of this power, now that everyone knows about it, is that in order to kill someone of the Julii faction, all you'd have to do is target OctoThyr...

[Kaschan]

Korlat, on Jan 5 2009, 09:22 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 6 2009, 06:58 AM, said:

Is it still day or are we in night now?

Im not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing that octavanius is now dead as it means the Julii are in the same boat as the rest of us now with just having to be the last person standing.
EDIT also thats a far more detailed CF than I was expecting

That sounds rather fishy...could this be our revealer, I wonder?

Looks like he just mis-read things.

And that's one hell of a Finder power, right there - wonder if it can be used more than once.

[Kaschan]

I'd also point out that there's absolutely no point in letting Thyrllan live at this point. The Julii (especially Marc Anthony) will want him dead to give themselves a single leader and provide a vital win condition. The other two factions will want him dead simply to take down a Julii, especially such a powerful one.

So, unless there's a good argument towards letting him live (i.e., just let him get NKed, if possible):

Remove Vote

Vote Thyrllan

[Silanah]

I would think the power would be able to be used more than once considering it was used so early.
Might only be able to be used every second day or something similar.

[Mockra]

Finally managed to catch up and well damn that is a bit of a turn of events, last couple pages did pick up after what was basically 8 pages of spam.

So there's a Finder out there that lets everyone know the result.

And Thyrllan is the co-leader of the Julii. Since the Mod has said this is a Cult game with 3 cults I'd guess that all 3 groups can recruit.
And in the case of the Julii Antony recruits, then if he dies it goes to Octavian. But only one of them can recruit. Since they're the only one with co leaders they might be a special case.

Question is what do we do from here?

Its tempting to say we should not lynch him. Having him around so just the Julii can't win could kinda be useful. But he'll know more and more of his team as the game goes, and if Anthony dies he can protect himself and decimate his team but balance it out by recruiting, could get incredibly annoying. Current members of Julii end of dead cos of him, and if he recruits you, you end up in the same boat. Can't see any reason to keep him around that outweighs that.

I think play it safe and lets get rid of him now.

Vote Thyrllan

[Korlat]

Kaschan, on Jan 6 2009, 12:38 PM, said:

I'd also point out that there's absolutely no point in letting Thyrllan live at this point. The Julii (especially Marc Anthony) will want him dead to give themselves a single leader and provide a vital win condition. The other two factions will want him dead simply to take down a Julii, especially such a powerful one.

So, unless there's a good argument towards letting him live (i.e., just let him get NKed, if possible):

Remove Vote

Vote Thyrllan

But as you point out the Julii would become much stronger if they were united under a single leader. I don't know that it's such a good idea for the other two factions to be rid of him so quickly. Plus, there's the potential to use his bodyguarding against him (it will provide a lot of information about the Julii faction to people with NK abilities, as I outlined in my previous post). The one problem is that Octavian probably doesn't know of anyone to act as his bodyguard yet, or else we wouldn't have got the Uberfind result on him.


I'm not saying I disagree with you, Kaschan, it's just that I think we need to look at all the options before coming to a decision.

Silanah said:

I would think the power would be able to be used more than once considering it was used so early.
Might only be able to be used every second day or something similar.

I was thinking something similar. No reason to use a one use power like that on Day 1 (unless you were afraid of getting lynched...)


ETA: Crosspost with Mockra

This post has been edited by Korlat: 06 January 2009 - 06:12 AM

[Silanah]

Considering that there are 20 players, the cults should be split up quite evenly into 7-7-6 or so.
So that would mean that a max of 14 players are not in the Julii faction.
So if 11 people vote for Thyrllan, its safe to say that those people are not Julii with the exception that one of them is Marc Anthony.
That would mean the remaining 5 people would be of the Julii faction.
So we all could vote for Thyrllan to find out who the Julii faction members are.
I personally dont want Thyrllan to be lynched as that would allow Julii the ability to recruit which wouldn't be as useful.

[Kaschan]

Korlat, on Jan 5 2009, 10:12 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Jan 6 2009, 12:38 PM, said:

I'd also point out that there's absolutely no point in letting Thyrllan live at this point. The Julii (especially Marc Anthony) will want him dead to give themselves a single leader and provide a vital win condition. The other two factions will want him dead simply to take down a Julii, especially such a powerful one.

So, unless there's a good argument towards letting him live (i.e., just let him get NKed, if possible):

Remove Vote

Vote Thyrllan

But as you point out the Julii would become much stronger if they were united under a single leader. I don't know that it's such a good idea for the other two factions to be rid of him so quickly. Plus, there's the potential to use his bodyguarding against him (it will provide a lot of information about the Julii faction to people with NK abilities, as I outlined in my previous post).

Yeah, I thought of both of those factors right after I posted. I wonder if Marc Anthony has largely the same skill-set as Octavian - "can't recruit until the other guy's dead" being the most dangerous, of course.

And remember, he does know who to pick to bodyguard, it's one of his Day powers to get a list of all Julii except Marc Anthony. Hell, that's even more of an incentive to the Julii to get rid of one of their co-leaders - to avoid being a target.

I really can't recall when we had such an obvious Day One case.


(Well, besides Liosan in the Ghostbusters game ... and a certain drunken post in the RD game ...)

[Korlat]

Path-Shaper said:

“Brutus, Anthony, Octavian, the Pontifex, all these glorious leaders of our Senate… look at them! Shouting their best offers, brazenly displaying their wares… if I want to hear such things, see such a show, I could get a much cheaper deal with a prostitute on the Palatine! And you, you… actually see virtue here?”

I was looking back at that finder thingy and noticed this - I'd imagine the Pontifex is the guy leading the Republicans. At least that answers the questions about leadership people were asking before. Anyone know anything about him?

[Korlat]

Kaschan, on Jan 6 2009, 01:18 PM, said:

And remember, he does know who to pick to bodyguard, it's one of his Day powers to get a list of all Julii except Marc Anthony. Hell, that's even more of an incentive to the Julii to get rid of one of their co-leaders - to avoid being a target.

He gets to find out one Julii member each morning, but we don't know if that includes Day 1. I was thinking that it might not simply because the role description states that Any day and night actions targeting you will target that player instead for as long as the player is alive.


If he knew of another Julii, it would be reasonable to assume that he would make them his bodyguard right away, and then when he was targetted by the Uberfinder it would not have been him that everyone found out about, but his bodyguard.

[Silanah]

Hmm reading the post again, there is not a word of Cassius but it does speak of Cicero.
Wonder if either of them have roles or not.

[Liosan]

re. the Pontifex: From what I remember the Pontifex was the religious authority of Rome, kinda like the Pope today. He was the bridge between the mortal and celestial realms.

EDIT: I looked it up quickly and Julius Caesar held it until 44 b.c. then it was taken by some M. Aemilus Lepidus. Lepidus may be the final leader that we are looking for.

This post has been edited by Liosan: 06 January 2009 - 06:29 AM

[Korlat]

Silanah, on Jan 6 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

Considering that there are 20 players, the cults should be split up quite evenly into 7-7-6 or so.
So that would mean that a max of 14 players are not in the Julii faction.
So if 11 people vote for Thyrllan, its safe to say that those people are not Julii with the exception that one of them is Marc Anthony.
That would mean the remaining 5 people would be of the Julii faction.
So we all could vote for Thyrllan to find out who the Julii faction members are.
I personally dont want Thyrllan to be lynched as that would allow Julii the ability to recruit which wouldn't be as useful.

This seems a little naive to me - if the Julii see that it is inevitable that Octavian is going down, they can hop on the train to avoid suspicion. Besides, as Kaschan points out, there are plenty of reasons why the Julii would want him dead.