[Korlat]

Silanah, on Jan 6 2009, 01:26 PM, said:

Hmm reading the post again, there is not a word of Cassius but it does speak of Cicero.
Wonder if either of them have roles or not.

It's quite possible that Cicero is the Uberfinder...it makes sense given the way that scene was written.

[Ampelas]

Ampelas, on Jan 6 2009, 01:16 AM, said:

OO! I have a second!

Is it just me or the votes on Kess seem to be making less and less sense and look more like a faction pile up?

They do to me, and this inclines me to believe we may have found a faction leader.

Namely amongst:

Thyrllan, D’riss, Omtose

And TBH I am stuck between D'riss and Thyr as possible faction members.

Now I need to go to sleep.
See you all in the morning

Omtose, on Jan 6 2009, 01:23 AM, said:

Ampelas, I think PS said that everyone is a faction member?

Sorry, posting drunk in the wee hours of the morning has never been my strong point, I meant faction leaders, and it looks like I was right

[Liosan]

Well I am off to bed.

I think a Thyr lynch is something that 2/3 of the people here would want to get behind. It is Day 1 and for 2 faction this is a giveaway. Now there is no need to possibly lynch anyone on your faction. Worst-case senario is that Thyr used the day power and has a Julii guard who will die instead. Either way a Julii will die if a lynch occurs.

[Liosan]

well after that whole idea of mine I meant to...

vote Thyrllan

[Path-Shaper]

A short clarification for those obssessed with the wiki and history and matching it with the game: the game isn't historically correct in its set-up on all points. Venge and I tried hard to cover for it, but we did not succeed everywhere and that may or may not include key roles.

While we do enjoy the buzzing of names and possible faction leaders, it's only fair that I'll let you know so that you can take that in consideration.

EDIT: I'm off to work now. See you all in 1 hour, maybe a bit less.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 06 January 2009 - 06:50 AM

[Ampelas]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 6 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

A short clarification for those obssessed with the wiki and history and matching it with the game: the game isn't historically correct in its set-up on all points. Venge and I tried hard to cover for it, but we did not succeed everywhere and that may or may not include key roles.

While we do enjoy the buzzing of names and possible faction leaders, it's only fair that I'll let you know so that you can take that in consideration.

EDIT: I'm off to work now. See you all in 1 hour, maybe a bit less.

So what you are saying is that I am wrong and that Thyrllan is not a cult leader....

As for this hunger for Thyr's blood, I wonder if maybe Marc Anthony has the same restriction as Octavian (Btw P-S I think you spelt his name wrong in the find reveal), in which case lynching Thyr, might just give Marc recruiting powers.

The reason I am thinking this is because of the Julii win condition, clearly them having both leaders is detrimental as it splits the faction, which makes me think that they would both have the same recruiting restrictions.

[Korlat]

Ampelas, on Jan 6 2009, 02:07 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jan 6 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

A short clarification for those obssessed with the wiki and history and matching it with the game: the game isn't historically correct in its set-up on all points. Venge and I tried hard to cover for it, but we did not succeed everywhere and that may or may not include key roles.

While we do enjoy the buzzing of names and possible faction leaders, it's only fair that I'll let you know so that you can take that in consideration.

EDIT: I'm off to work now. See you all in 1 hour, maybe a bit less.

So what you are saying is that I am wrong and that Thyrllan is not a cult leader....

Huh? I thought it was confirmed that he is...or at least, that he is a joint leader with Marc Anthony...

Ampelas, on Jan 6 2009, 02:07 PM, said:

As for this hunger for Thyr's blood, I wonder if maybe Marc Anthony has the same restriction as Octavian (Btw P-S I think you spelt his name wrong in the find reveal), in which case lynching Thyr, might just give Marc recruiting powers.

The reason I am thinking this is because of the Julii win condition, clearly them having both leaders is detrimental as it splits the faction, which makes me think that they would both have the same recruiting restrictions.

The thought had occured to me, which was why I was preaching caution. The idea that in order for the Julii faction to be effective they need to unite under one ruler is quite a nice one. Add to this the fact that to balance the extra condition one might expect the Julii faction to be stronger than the other two once one of them is out of the way, and it seems like it might be best to hold off, at least until we know a little more.

[D'riss]

Ok, here's my two cents. We have a confirmed Julii in Octavian, which makes certain people interested in lynching him today.

But think of this instead - to lynch Thyr now is to kill one Julii, and to enable the Julii faction to win (because only MA is still alive of the two).

Now, Thyr has a bodyguard role thing, and I find it very unlikely that Thyr has been able to do a find on all the Julii members and choose one as a bodyguard this early in day one.

So, what does this mean? It means that if we lynch Thyr today, then we kill one Julii...

...but if we lynch him tomorrow, then we will get his bodyguard instead. We will be down one Julii, and still know that we can lynch Thyr whenever we want. i.e. we get two for one.

I don't think we should lynch him now, as we would be throwing away that opportunity.

EDIT, by the way, getting ready for work, so if anyone wants to chat, do it now!

This post has been edited by D'riss: 06 January 2009 - 07:36 AM

[Thyrllan]

Don't you hate it when that happens?

I hate you Cicero.

After reading that, I was hoping it would provide me a big clue in finding out who Marc Anthony was as he would be the person with the very most to gain from a Octavianus lynch. But too many people have gone there. So it makes it tricky.

My view of matters is that by killing me, you provide Marc Anthony with the power to recruit, as I was under the assumption that our powers would be symmetrical. Based on information I have about Julii numbers, I doubt that he would have the ability to recruit yet as that could see Julii growing very quickly and would be, well, a bit broken. Killing me on day one would essentially give the Julii under Marc Anthony a huge advantage in the game. It also provides you with very little information. You know that I cannot recruit, and hence have nothing to worry about on that front unless you should kill Marc Anthony. You know the abilities that I have. I don't see that lynching me makes sense at all, especially given my admittedly biased point of view.

Oh and just to reiterate: I hate you Cicero.

[Kaschan]

D'riss, on Jan 5 2009, 11:33 PM, said:

...but if we lynch him tomorrow, then we will get his bodyguard instead. We will be down one Julii, and still know that we can lynch Thyr whenever we want. i.e. we get two for one.

I'm not sure if I interpret a lynch as a day action that Thryllan would be protected against.

[Kaschan]

Korlat, on Jan 5 2009, 10:25 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Jan 6 2009, 01:18 PM, said:

And remember, he does know who to pick to bodyguard, it's one of his Day powers to get a list of all Julii except Marc Anthony. Hell, that's even more of an incentive to the Julii to get rid of one of their co-leaders - to avoid being a target.

He gets to find out one Julii member each morning, but we don't know if that includes Day 1. I was thinking that it might not simply because the role description states that Any day and night actions targeting you will target that player instead for as long as the player is alive.

Actually, he learns the identities of all Julii members except Marc Anthony.

Makes me wonder if Marc Anthony has the same power, with the exception being Octavian ... which he now knows, of course.

[Ampelas]

Korlat, on Jan 6 2009, 09:27 AM, said:

Ampelas, on Jan 6 2009, 02:07 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jan 6 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

A short clarification for those obssessed with the wiki and history and matching it with the game: the game isn't historically correct in its set-up on all points. Venge and I tried hard to cover for it, but we did not succeed everywhere and that may or may not include key roles.

While we do enjoy the buzzing of names and possible faction leaders, it's only fair that I'll let you know so that you can take that in consideration.

EDIT: I'm off to work now. See you all in 1 hour, maybe a bit less.

So what you are saying is that I am wrong and that Thyrllan is not a cult leader....

Huh? I thought it was confirmed that he is...or at least, that he is a joint leader with Marc Anthony...

That was just a stab at P-S
For making us second guess ourselves now.

Korlat, on Jan 6 2009, 09:27 AM, said:

Ampelas, on Jan 6 2009, 02:07 PM, said:

As for this hunger for Thyr's blood, I wonder if maybe Marc Anthony has the same restriction as Octavian (Btw P-S I think you spelt his name wrong in the find reveal), in which case lynching Thyr, might just give Marc recruiting powers.

The reason I am thinking this is because of the Julii win condition, clearly them having both leaders is detrimental as it splits the faction, which makes me think that they would both have the same recruiting restrictions.

The thought had occured to me, which was why I was preaching caution. The idea that in order for the Julii faction to be effective they need to unite under one ruler is quite a nice one. Add to this the fact that to balance the extra condition one might expect the Julii faction to be stronger than the other two once one of them is out of the way, and it seems like it might be best to hold off, at least until we know a little more.

I saw that, but apparently no one else thought about it for a second, which means its possible we have another faction leader on that train or Marc Anthony has a block of loyalist gunning for his competitor....

oh the joy of politics

[Emurlahn]

I'm back and catching up.

Although it might take some time, got about 250 posts to go

[Path-Shaper]

Ampelas, on Jan 6 2009, 08:07 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jan 6 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

A short clarification for those obssessed with the wiki and history and matching it with the game: the game isn't historically correct in its set-up on all points. Venge and I tried hard to cover for it, but we did not succeed everywhere and that may or may not include key roles.

While we do enjoy the buzzing of names and possible faction leaders, it's only fair that I'll let you know so that you can take that in consideration.

EDIT: I'm off to work now. See you all in 1 hour, maybe a bit less.

So what you are saying is that I am wrong and that Thyrllan is not a cult leader....

Thyrllan's role clearly states what Thyrllan is.

My reference isn't to him, but was a bit unlucky in its timing.

What I meant is that there are only a few historical figures suitable/ known enough to be used for roles without causing complete chaos when their name turns up in contexts that defy (your) expectations and speculations.
In fact: even what you all would judge to be VIP roles may, in some cases, not have names associated with them, or historically incorrect names.

That's all.

[Emurlahn]

Kessobahn, on Jan 5 2009, 09:27 PM, said:

I think it may be because you guys used to have a habit of killing westerosi for being more experienced, and therefore better at deception, and sounding innocent. Or so I've heard.

Hahaha, that and the fact our games often degenerate in insultfests (or used to)

[Kaschan]

Well, I'm off for the real-life night.

Fwiw, if I thought that Thyrllan's bodyguard function worked against lynches, I'd say let him live until tomorrow, so as to nail a Julii by proxy. But ... I really doubt lynching falls under the category of "day action," which to me means "individual power." Thus, he's best done away with as soon as possible.

[D'riss]

Kaschan, on Jan 6 2009, 07:41 AM, said:

D'riss, on Jan 5 2009, 11:33 PM, said:

...but if we lynch him tomorrow, then we will get his bodyguard instead. We will be down one Julii, and still know that we can lynch Thyr whenever we want. i.e. we get two for one.

I'm not sure if I interpret a lynch as a day action that Thryllan would be protected against.

Fair play... but I'm sure there are plenty of day/night actions that could take him out, so I'm still advocating a waiting game.

Right, off to work!

PS - don't listen to Thyr, he will try to subvert you with his lies The accused cannot be trusted!

[Thyrllan]

My Marc Anthony suspicion board:

Tier 1:

Kaschan (First to jump in on my lynch train, plus using absolute in his post (absolutely no point in letting me live apparently). I don't deal in absolutes)

Tier 2:

Mockra (Second on, slightly more thought)

Liosan (Apparently 2/3 of people in the game want to see Marc Anthony be able to recruit. What?)

Tier 3:

Ruse (Very weird reaction to finding, seeming to think that it was a CF)

[Ampelas]

Thyrllan, on Jan 6 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

My Marc Anthony suspicion board:

Tier 1:

Kaschan (First to jump in on my lynch train, plus using absolute in his post (absolutely no point in letting me live apparently). I don't deal in absolutes)

Tier 2:

Mockra (Second on, slightly more thought)

Liosan (Apparently 2/3 of people in the game want to see Marc Anthony be able to recruit. What?)

Tier 3:

Ruse (Very weird reaction to finding, seeming to think that it was a CF)

Err... can you get a few quotes?

And as for your 3rd tier, I can't fault Ruse for thinking what he did, I thought the same thing, only I saw the post later on by P-S saying he was indeed still alive.

[Ampelas]

P-S, can we get us a time and vote update please?