[Rashan]

Silanah, on Jan 6 2009, 10:25 AM, said:

You seem to think that im Julii when I dont believe ive done anything to be so.
I will explain it for you a third time...
To lynch Thyrllan would allow MA to have recruitment powers from what I believe.
So I think it would be best if we lynched someone else and tried to figure out who MA is.
Once we do so, we lynch him and then Thyrllan, eliminating both threats.
You seem to be pushing quite hard for Thyrllan to be lynched which leads me to believe that you are MA trying to gain recruitment rights.
The winning conditions state that Julii cannot win while either MA or Octavianus is alive which means that MA is not a leader but that they are equal.
I feel we should lynch Kessobahn as he seems to be the most liable victim and everyone seems to have hopped aboard the lynch train
But if the tides turn and everyone starts voting for Thyrllan, ill reluctantly change my vote as I believe it will give the Julii faction more power.

I believe you are julii. You arent looking for marc anthony you are lookign for the leader of a different faction. Do you honestly think kessobahn is marc anthony? Anyone not in the the julii, who can read, should want octavian dead. Its day 1, we have a julii leader on a platter, time to cut off his head. People portecing him, or diverting that lynch are also julii and should also lose their heads. Merc game, not my faction, i try to lynch them.

Who do you think kess is? I read the whole thread and i dont see the problem other than spam and tbh i would vote ampelas first if that was the reasoning.

No - we have a confirmed head of the julii there, we should take him out now and get anthony when we find him. Keeping him around gives the julii two recruting powers potential, i believe marc anthony started as a recruiter, therefore octavian is the secondary recruiter and only activates upon MA's death. Having octavian around is too dangerous, if we runa few days without finding ma and decide oh octavian is too dangerous to keep around and we kill him then, the game might end because all you "FAKING" delusiional players have left anthony recruiting with a little smile going, oh he cant recruit the julii are no threat, we take out octavian then and boom game over.

Thyr is himself pointing at potential marc anthony's yet none of you find this strange. He knows he will die eventually so why would he do that?

Thyr says he is sure MA cant recruit, why would he tell us that?

He is bullshitting, pushing suspicions on his suspects for other leaders or people attacking him. The fact is he cant win while he or marc lives, but he will still be julii upon death and will win if marc anthony does, so we shouldnt believ anything he says. he could come on and spread bullshit every morning about members of julii. If he is so intent on crippling that faction, why doesnt he tell us who is in it? Hmmm? because he is trying to hold off being lynched long enough to gain victory for his team.

DEATH TO THE JULII!!!! LYNCH SILANAH, EMURLAHN, SERC and THYRLLAN!!!!

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on Jan 6 2009, 10:31 AM, said:

I, for one, believe (like Rashan, ironically) that MA can recruit, which is why I would prefer to try and lynch MA right now instead of the one we know is Octavian.

Which is the point where I fail to see Rashan's logic, assuming he has any.

my point is it is day 1, we have a confirmed julii right there and we can lynch him. you are voting liosan??? liosan?? someone who has barely even posted. Wheres your reasoning?

[Silanah]

I believe that MA and Octavianus are equal.
But you all seem to think different.
Rashan seems to be acting a symp for Kessobahn to me.
Seems I must hop on the train.
Remove Vote
Vote Thyrllan

[Emurlahn]

Rashan, on Jan 6 2009, 12:38 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jan 6 2009, 10:31 AM, said:

I, for one, believe (like Rashan, ironically) that MA can recruit, which is why I would prefer to try and lynch MA right now instead of the one we know is Octavian.

Which is the point where I fail to see Rashan's logic, assuming he has any.

my point is it is day 1, we have a confirmed julii right there and we can lynch him. you are voting liosan??? liosan?? someone who has barely even posted. Wheres your reasoning?

My reasoning is in the same post I put my vote in.

[Rashan]

Thyrllan, on Jan 6 2009, 10:31 AM, said:

I can confirm that Silanah is not Julii.

I'm off for a bit.

ahaha

what about emurlahn?

Maybe silanah is marc anthony!!!!

[Rashan]

Silanah, on Jan 6 2009, 10:38 AM, said:

I believe that MA and Octavianus are equal.
But you all seem to think different.
Rashan seems to be acting a symp for Kessobahn to me.
Seems I must hop on the train.
Remove Vote
Vote Thyrllan

symping kessobahn? why because i want thyrllan dead???

[Silanah]

Rashan, on Jan 6 2009, 06:41 AM, said:

Silanah, on Jan 6 2009, 10:38 AM, said:

I believe that MA and Octavianus are equal.
But you all seem to think different.
Rashan seems to be acting a symp for Kessobahn to me.
Seems I must hop on the train.
Remove Vote
Vote Thyrllan

symping kessobahn? why because i want thyrllan dead???

You seem to be very defensive about everything and pushing hard for a lynch on Thyrllan
But whatever, you can make your own choices.

[Emurlahn]

Honestly, I don't care if Thyrllan gets lynched. I'll even help the lynch if needed.

The thing is, I fail to see what it gives us in the long run. Unlike Rashan, I don't play this game day by day. We have perfect info on Thyrllan, which is as good as him being dead. That info tells me he's harmless as long as MA is alive.

I prefer to try to test the info that appeared after Thyrllan got revealed, hence my vote for now. Of course, if nobody follows me I won't end the day there. Lynching Thyrllan adds little info to the game. He's a danger to other Julii more than anything, since as long as he's alive he can deflect action onto them. If there's a vig in my team, he can kill a random Julii that we don't know of, or Thyrllan himself, tonight.

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 06 January 2009 - 10:50 AM

[Rashan]

push, push push see who squirms

let me try to explain how i see octavian to show why i dislike the notion of having him around.

Every morning thyrrlan dicovers exactly who is on his team apart fromt he one player he wants to replace. We know who he is and therefore every member of the julii do to (DUH).

a few days go by, and MA has built up the julii while thyr goes, no recruitment we have only 3 other players etc, while the julii push lynches toward other players hoping to take out the leaders of the opposing factions. we hit cicero or brutus or pontis?? whoever you all think are the other leaders and pretty soon MA is still sitting there recruiting but no one else is and octavian, harmless little octavian is sitting in plain sight waiting for the numbers and decides, now would be a good time to die you know. and tells his team they have the players, its only still going because he and MA are alive.

[Korlat]

OK, the extremity of Rashan's reaction here seems uncalled for. I don't follow his logic too well - he lambasts others for coming to conclusions about the nature of the mechanics in play, when his own way of looking at things is just as shrouded in uncertainty. Yet he entertains no doubts whatsoever. He bases his assertions on the fact that Octavian is informed of exactly who is on his side at the beginning of every day, but I see nothing in that that gives any credence to the ability of MA to recruit. It is very useful for him to know when players have deserted his cause, because if he becomes the recruiter then he will know exactly who he has yet to turn to his side. That power makes equally as much sense if MA can't recruit as if he can.

Thyrllan's power is a purely defensive one at the current time, and we will know the moment he gains the power to recruit. Certainly, we could remove him now, but his bodyguard power allows us to gain more information about the Julii faction, so I choose to see the benefits of keeping him at the current time. I am not averse to his removal should there not be a better case. But the rabid way that Rashan is chasing after this gives me something else - being so vehement is not going to convince anyone when you have nothing to back yourself up with, so I am inclined to view it as a smoke screen. Plus, play like that really ticks me off. So,

Vote Rashan

EDIT: Crosspost with Rashan.

This post has been edited by Korlat: 06 January 2009 - 11:00 AM

[Rashan]

Korlat, on Jan 6 2009, 10:58 AM, said:

OK, the extremity of Rashan's reaction here seems uncalled for. I don't follow his logic too well - he lambasts others for coming to conclusions about the nature of the mechanics in play, when his own way of looking at things is just as shrouded in uncertainty. Yet he entertains no doubts whatsoever. He bases his assertions on the fact that Octavian is informed of exactly who is on his side at the beginning of every day, but I see nothing in that that gives any credence to the ability of MA to recruit. It is very useful for him to know when players have deserted his cause, because if he becomes the recruiter then he will know exactly who he has yet to turn to his side. That power makes equally as much sense if MA can't recruit as if he can.

Thyrllan's power is a purely defensive one at the current time, and we will know the moment he gains the power to recruit. Certainly, we could remove him now, but his bodyguard power allows us to gain more information about the Julii faction, so I choose to see the benefits of keeping him at the current time. I am not averse to his removal should there not be a better case. But the rabid way that Rashan is chasing after this gives me something else - being so vehement is not going to convince anyone when you have nothing to back yourself up with, so I am inclined to view it as a smoke screen. Plus, play like that really ticks me off. So,

Vote Rashan

EDIT: Crosspost with Rashan.

[Rashan]

korlat - julii

[Silanah]

Rashan, on Jan 6 2009, 07:04 AM, said:

korlat - julii

Lol, you think everyone is julii
Im off, see you all in a few hours

[Emurlahn]

If I believe that MA has recruiting powers, some here thinks that he doesn't yet and that his PM mirrors Octavians, i.e. he can recruit only if Octavian is dead. I admit this is possible, we have good info on Octavian but not on MA.

So, lynching Thyrllan

1) ensures we miss lynching a recruiter today
2) remove the biggest information we have so far
3) Allow the Julii to reach a winning condition
4) Eliminate the bodyguard thingy, which like I said can actually be used by the other teams against the Julii
5) Possibly activates MA's recruiting powers

Rashan is afraid that MA can recruit and will become majority while we leave Thyrllan around. So, how does lynching Thyrlann help against that scenario? On the contrary, MA can't win with Thyrllan around even if he gets majority. Lynching Thyrllan ensure that MA is kept alive to recruit, and allows him to win. As far as lynching goes, Thyrlann goes AFTER MA is dead, period.

That Rashan fails to see that, and gloats that he's outing as Julii anyone that don't agree with him gets to me, like Korlat.

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 06 January 2009 - 11:09 AM

[Emurlahn]

Actually, I don't mind Rashan that much, unless he's starting to make me wonder whether HE would be Mark Anthony. It's just that his failed logic doubled to his bullying antics has made players follow him on Thyrlann so far, and that can be annoying.

Honestly, what do we care he he hints (even in CAP letters) that we're Julii? Specially if it's not true, who cares?

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on Jan 6 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

If I believe that MA has recruiting powers, some here thinks that he doesn't yet and that his PM mirrors Octavians, i.e. he can recruit only if Octavian is dead. I admit this is possible, we have good info on Octavian but not on MA.

So, lynching Thyrllan

1) ensures we miss lynching a recruiter today
2) remove the biggest information we have so far
3) Allow the Julii to reach a winning condition
4) Eliminate the bodyguard thingy, which like I said can actually be used by the other teams against the Julii
5) Possibly activates MA's recruiting powers

Rashan is afraid that MA can recruit and will become majority while we leave Thyrllan around. So, how does lynching Thyrlann help against that scenario? On the contrary, MA can't win with Thyrllan around even if he gets majority. Lynching Thyrllan ensure that MA is kept alive to recruit, and allows him to win. As far as lynching goes, Thyrlann goes AFTER MA is dead, period.

That Rashan fails to see that, and gloats that he's outing as Julii anyone that don't agree with him gets to me, like Korlat.

gloating? i am not gloating, i am saying it. Its called voicing suspicion. The point of a merc game is to work for your faction. You being julii, wish to gain the majority for the julii. You can see your back up recruiter is in danger and are pushing attention on liosan, whow as one of the first to vote for him. You say i am playing by day, but you sir are playing long term as self confessed, you know that if marc anthony dies octavian becomes a recruiter and you suspect MA is already a recruiter so by your points

1 - the julii can recruit
2 - once marc anthony is dead - the julii wills till be able to recruit

Keeping octavian gives us no info, yes the julii can win, but taking out marc anthony (a one in twenty shot) will also give them that ability. You arent looking for marc anthony, sir, you are looking for the other leaders. You are transparent in your wish to keep octavian around as it will grant you an extra night of recruitment and possibly more because every one of your team knows who he is and after a few days a solid lynch of octavian will be very hard, especially so if MA is dead.

Those advocating keeping thyrllan around are Julii, they want two leaders until their team is strong enough to cope with the lose of one. Once that happens we all lose. The other factions arent "hampered" in this way, so it is likely they only have 1 recruiter.

As to your point 2 emurlahn, whats the point in having info if we dont use it. Every morning thyrllan will know his entire team bar marc anthony. every day his little julii slaves will watch for who he targets and know that person is not on their team, you are willing allowing what i see as a POWER role to remain when on day 1 we generally go by who is the most annoying. so yes i am pushing hard, because i believe i am in the right.

remove vote

vote thyrllan

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on Jan 6 2009, 11:14 AM, said:

Actually, I don't mind Rashan that much, unless he's starting to make me wonder whether HE would be Mark Anthony. It's just that his failed logic doubled to his bullying antics has made players follow him on Thyrlann so far, and that can be annoying.

Honestly, what do we care he he hints (even in CAP letters) that we're Julii? Specially if it's not true, who cares?

if anyone feels i am bullying, apologies its not my intention. i don't do subtelty. At the moment i am not julii therefore i am not playing for them.

[Emurlahn]

Rashan, on Jan 6 2009, 01:18 PM, said:

As to your point 2 emurlahn, whats the point in having info if we dont use it. Every morning thyrllan will know his entire team bar marc anthony. every day his little julii slaves will watch for who he targets and know that person is not on their team, you are willing allowing what i see as a POWER role to remain when on day 1 we generally go by who is the most annoying. so yes i am pushing hard, because i believe i am in the right.

You honestly think only his slaves will look at who he targets to see who is not a Julii? If he fingers his whole team by voting for everyone else, then we'll know his own slaves by elimination. He's screwed really, I don't know how he can play from now on. That's the thing, we don't only have information about him, he IS a source of information.

You keep calling a "leader". He can neither kill nor recruit. If MA dies, we'll know it, and we lynch him. If it takes too much time, we can always take a day to lynch him to play it safe, but now is not the time. I'm quite sure Thyr will die soon of other means anyways.

You say I'm not looking for MA, I'm looking for other leaders. Well, yes, I'm looking for two players that can recruit for the other team. Thyrllan is neither. MA is one of them.

[Emurlahn]

Rashan, on Jan 6 2009, 01:21 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jan 6 2009, 11:14 AM, said:

Actually, I don't mind Rashan that much, unless he's starting to make me wonder whether HE would be Mark Anthony. It's just that his failed logic doubled to his bullying antics has made players follow him on Thyrlann so far, and that can be annoying.

Honestly, what do we care he he hints (even in CAP letters) that we're Julii? Specially if it's not true, who cares?

if anyone feels i am bullying, apologies its not my intention. i don't do subtelty. At the moment i am not julii therefore i am not playing for them.

Hey, don't apologize, you don't bug me I have nothing against players pushing around, I was more annoyed as Silanah for caving in. I'm also trying to get the best thing happen for my team.

[Emurlahn]

By the way

remove vote

I wish we would get rid of the low posters, I hate them. And in a game where we're not looking for scum, it's possible to get rid of them (relatively) safely.

That day-find shit is awesome, and I hope it works every day. That will make the game tight and nasty. But why the hell did it have to happen on day 1 on someone I feel nobody would want lynched, except, ironically, his own co-leader?