[Gavin]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 11 2009, 09:58 PM, said:

Gavin, on Jan 11 2009, 01:53 PM, said:

Well I had a rant prepared but I can't be bothered. From my point of view Brutii has no chance, and the Brutus role is a complete nonesence.

No matter how well I played or did anything I was always going to be killed day 3 or 4 through no fault of my own. Whats the point in having a cult where the leader is exposed to everyone via a role? Not just a random find or anything but Brutus specifically the leader of the cult. Brutii never had a chance

I disagree, there, but your mileage may vary - Brutus had no chance, yes.
Longinus, with the target immunity + kill, would have been a real strong killer, and would have had backup from someone who could communicate: Ment.
The pain right now is just that Ment has revealed and Longinus is dead.

Well I disagree, you've made the classic mistake of not realising that the power of the cult/merc game like this isn't roles, its infomation. The hard part is working out who is in the cult. By exposing the leader (which is wrong - you haven't given the Brutus role a fair go, it should be revealed via play, a find, or guesswork or whatever not an automatic reveal, its against the point of the game, what the player does is irrevelvant) its very easy to pick up other members of the group either through the defence of the person as was the case, or just the voting or things which have happened. Also we still need to recruit, and that abilitiy is gone.

Also I notice my secret ability doesn't cater for the scenario when I have 2 recruits, its more than 2, or less than 2...? What happens with 2.

[Path-Shaper]

Gavin, on Jan 11 2009, 02:07 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jan 11 2009, 09:58 PM, said:

Gavin, on Jan 11 2009, 01:53 PM, said:

Well I had a rant prepared but I can't be bothered. From my point of view Brutii has no chance, and the Brutus role is a complete nonesence.

No matter how well I played or did anything I was always going to be killed day 3 or 4 through no fault of my own. Whats the point in having a cult where the leader is exposed to everyone via a role? Not just a random find or anything but Brutus specifically the leader of the cult. Brutii never had a chance

I disagree, there, but your mileage may vary - Brutus had no chance, yes.
Longinus, with the target immunity + kill, would have been a real strong killer, and would have had backup from someone who could communicate: Ment.
The pain right now is just that Ment has revealed and Longinus is dead.

Well I disagree, you've made the classic mistake of not realising that the power of the cult/merc game like this isn't roles, its infomation. The hard part is working out who is in the cult. By exposing the leader (which is wrong - you haven't given the Brutus role a fair go, it should be revealed via play, a find, or guesswork or whatever not an automatic reveal, its against the point of the game, what the player does is irrevelvant) its very easy to pick up other members of the group either through the defence of the person as was the case, or just the voting or things which have happened. Also we still need to recruit, and that abilitiy is gone.

Also I notice my secret ability doesn't cater for the scenario when I have 2 recruits, its more than 2, or less than 2...? What happens with 2.

With 2, the everyone get's a vig scenario wouldn't have run, but the weaker version.

EDIT: the information actually was the easiest to obtain & spread for the Brutii, with the sole communicator in the game... Ment just didn't realize it. He was told he could name alts in his messages when he went on the whole 'I'll yawn' tour.

Edit: didn't notice you had posted as I was till on page 11 :s

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 11 January 2009 - 01:40 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Baudin - more doing the republic's work

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Provisional kill D'riss

noted.

[Path-Shaper]

@ Gavin: in hindsight, I may have screwed the Brutii, but it did not show up like that in the various scenario's I've run.

What I did know: I knew I'd screw the Brutus role by introducing this reveal mechanic, but I thought it worth it for the fact of creating a 'clock function' on the game by making one faction in its back-up victory condition dependant on killing and killing only, thus reducing the recruiting pool and breaking the recruitment cycle.

If I'm wrong in that, I'm sorry.

[Path-Shaper]

Taking a break from the pc for a few hours now.

[Gavin]

Korlat got away with something there by not guarding me. He is lucky Ruse isn't recruitable or I would have gained another one.

Strange thing that kill, I wasn't expecting it, I was going to point out Korlat wasn't recruitable (from my perspective) didn't think I'd be killed.


As for the role, I'm just annoyed that I thought I was playing ok, and nothing I could do to stop it.

Why not just say after 2 days, you realise your not going to swap people to your cause. You can now kill or get a Vig or something?

I mean if you had a mafia role which was, "your the team leader and get to recruit for your team, but after 2 days you'll be exposed and almost certainly lynched' then I'm not sure people would want to play it that much. I know for me, I wouldn't especially if you didn't know about it pregame. It could just be me of course, as this is twice its happened to me...

You also need to take into account the team loses one from the lynch, and probably at least one if not 2 from the association of knowing me.

This post has been edited by Gavin: 11 January 2009 - 02:27 PM

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Gavin, on Jan 11 2009, 03:23 PM, said:

Korlat got away with something there by not guarding me. He is lucky Ruse isn't recruitable or I would have gained another one.

Strange thing that kill, I wasn't expecting it, I was going to point out Korlat wasn't recruitable (from my perspective) didn't think I'd be killed.


As for the role, I'm just annoyed that I thought I was playing ok, and nothing I could do to stop it.

Why not just say after 2 days, you realise your not going to swap people to your cause. You can now kill or get a Vig or something?

I mean if you had a mafia role which was, "your the team leader and get to recruit for your team, but after 2 days you'll be exposed and almost certainly lynched' then I'm not sure people would want to play it that much. I know for me, I wouldn't especially if you didn't know about it pregame. It could just be me of course, as this is twice its happened to me...

You also need to take into account the team loses one from the lynch, and probably at least one if not 2 from the association of knowing me.

Aye and if Serc's provisional had gone through of giving you a BP instead of switching it to Shadow, you'd have stuck around for another day...
It was weird.
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as for changing the roles:
1) That was an option. It would mean a few things though:
- size of the other factions would have to be re-arranged, seeing how you wouldn't recruit at all: either you'd have a larger faction filled with relatively useless people just to make up for the numbers: Brutii would essentially center on gaining a majority with kills/ people, or the reveal limit would have had to be pushed back, essentially, you would be playing the first few days for nothing;
- your positioning in/ on the game would have been entirely different and turned around for you yourself, where it is now for others.

It is true about the lynch & losing associates, but only due to a certain extent.

I reasoned that since people don't know your identity in the Brutii at all, except for Casca, Brutus would probably be a stand-alone loss. Even Longinus doesn't know the identity of Brutus. People are now only hunting for powered-up Brutii because Anthony's role PM was displayed. Otherwise, they'd have thought that Brutii teeth were pulled.

2) If that role existed as you describe it, it would be a spammer's role, I think . Dibs, Lisheo, Grief, Obdi, Bent might play it highly obnoxiously and try to die before the end of day 2, I guess.

[Path-Shaper]

Jump Erlahn:

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Fucking hell, why didn't Shadow fight a little Gamelon's "reveal"? I mean, fuck, some twit who doesn't read the thread says "Oh, and I know Shadow is Brutii", and that's the solid rock trap he can't escape from?

How the fuck is his team expected to keep him alive after that? FUCK. I know I'm the weasel, but I don't hold any copyright, the others are allowed to lie too. Once everyone knows your team, you're dead. How hard is it to fight allegations? And if you fight a losing battle, well, fight it still, it's as much fun as anything.

So what do I do? Just lynch off the bastard? At this point, team Brutii is fucked hard, so whatever. Why did they recruit me?

I see your point.

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Yellow-D'riss:

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You know, I've just had a strange thought. What if my wife is the republican recruiter? Did a find on Rashan yesterday, he supposedly gets recruited back to the republic. Plus in one of the find scenes, the missus did say something about knowing a lot of republicans, which I thought was just a glib remark at the time. Yeah, it's a stretch... particularly since there seems to be some other cuckold(s) active in the game.

Only way to answer that question and to determine my naivete: forget previous find.

confirm find on myself

The 'I'm seeing a lot of republicans' was a bit of mockery of you only targeting Republicans.
Provisional noted.

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Said the last thing cause I don't want the little stories to be misleading.

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Yellow D'riss before the previous post:

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So, the way I see it is this:

I must be naive. Because Rashan came back as Republican last night, even though he's claiming he was Julii yesterday. Since Finds are done before Recruits, this means that I got my answer before he was recruited (if indeed that ever happened).

So, I got republican, which cannot be true, because that would mean one of two things:

1) Rashan is lying about being a Julii yesterday

2) Rashan is insane for claiming he'd been recruited then re-recruited when nothing of the sort happened.

Now that I think of it, the second one does sound about right.

But I suppose I have to go with the odds. I am naive, and always find Republicans.

Balls.

[Path-Shaper]

Sir Korlat:

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I think Ampelas is off the list of possible recruits now - too much suspicion, he'll get lynched eventually.

So instead, make it a Serc and Ruse recruitment day, provisionally, please.

Also, I think I'll be able to hold off on the reveal for a while .

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Path-Shaper, on Jan 11 2009, 05:06 PM, said:

Yellow-D'riss:

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You know, I've just had a strange thought. What if my wife is the republican recruiter? Did a find on Rashan yesterday, he supposedly gets recruited back to the republic. Plus in one of the find scenes, the missus did say something about knowing a lot of republicans, which I thought was just a glib remark at the time. Yeah, it's a stretch... particularly since there seems to be some other cuckold(s) active in the game.

Only way to answer that question and to determine my naivete: forget previous find.

confirm find on myself

The 'I'm seeing a lot of republicans' was a bit of mockery of you only targeting Republicans.
Provisional noted.

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Said the last thing cause I don't want the little stories to be misleading.

[Path-Shaper]

Jump Erlan:

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Fucking hell, why didn't Shadow fight a little Gamelon's "reveal"? I mean, fuck, some twit who doesn't read the thread says "Oh, and I know Shadow is Brutii", and that's the solid rock trap he can't escape from?

How the fuck is his team expected to keep him alive after that? FUCK. I know I'm the weasel, but I don't hold any copyright, the others are allowed to lie too. Once everyone knows your team, you're dead. How hard is it to fight allegations? And if you fight a losing battle, well, fight it still, it's as much fun as anything.

So what do I do? Just lynch off the bastard? At this point, team Brutii is fucked hard, so whatever. Why did they recruit me?

I see your point.

Well, I'll still try to scare them.

Even if he goes, I don't think it's that bad, we can still come back.

GO BRUTII GO!

And give us that extra firepower promised if Brutus gets outed, dammit

It has been given. Just not to you...

[Path-Shaper]

Gamelon

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When you arrive home from a long day at the Senate, you find a letter from your wife on the desk in your study.

'Husband, I am away and will not return for dinner. There's this dashing young cavalry officer from the 7th who needs consoling now that his leader is dead, and in his grief, he will no doubt spill all kinds of army secrets. During our first meeting, he confessed that his direct commander, Ruse, is a Julii.

Maybe I'll be able to glean some more secrets, that's why I stay... and that he's not half bad in bed, of course.
Will you please send for that masseuse my cousin Laetitia bought a year ago? The girl is highly skillful and I could use some relaxation when I come home.

Your wife.'

LOL, these scenes are great! keep em up.

I hope he will send some thoughts on the game, sometime.

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Kessobahn:

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Use it on shadow.

Cicero strikes again.

[Path-Shaper]

Kesso-Grief

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Shadow is powerful.
Better than that, he has BPs.
With 2 bps, if they're day aswell, that should buy my leader a bit of time to recruit.

Think i'll push ampleas or D'riss after this...

[Path-Shaper]

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fuuuuuuuuuuck

So, tell me why the hell he admitted being able to count his team on day 1???

Why didn't he fight the "reveal" and NK the bugger?

this sucks.

Because he couldn't NK the guy. That's part of the bonus he got.
Still, a major fuck up.

Then why didn't he use it last night? He could recruit AND kill, and knew everyone on his team.

Or was he blocked? Fuck.

I explained that he received the power only after Brutus was NKed, thus, too late to submit his own actions.

[Path-Shaper]

Shadow:

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A schooled and then freed gladiator is delivered to your mansion. The letter of recommendation he comes with from the gladiator training school recommends him as a bodyguard who will rather die than let anyone harm you. When you ask him who his previous lord was, he turns out to be mute and unable to write. Neither is the training school willing to reveal the previous owner.

You gain 1 BP against all types of kills, but not against lynches.

so,I have 2 now?

Yup. Might be the least of your worries... You've been Cicero-ed

[Path-Shaper]

Kesso-Grief;

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People might get scared enough for a Brutii-hunt, giving nights of recruitment.

Hopefully, only republicans can recruit now. Therefore, unless leader is nk'ed, since everyone in a faction needs to die, we have a large advantage.

Although im not gonna count on the lack of recruiting power in other teams.

[Path-Shaper]

Gamelon:

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Will find on Ampelas.