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Mafia 37 - spoilers The Rome game

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 10:28 PM

Special Rules:
Special rules in effect for this game:

E1) No player may voluntarily reveal his own role or parts of his role PM before the start of day 3. Any player who does is considered to be mod-killed immediately. This includes partial or fake reveals. Abilities that require you to reveal in order to use them, can thus not be used before day 3 starts. If a player intentionally reveals and runs the modkill to bring information across to the other players, the player the information is on will become immune to lynch until the start of day 3.
Just. Do. Not. Reveal.

E2) Not every role has a name associated with it. Players are encouraged to keep their role name to themselves. It is forbidden to ask for a player’s role name during a reveal. Note how the reveal of a name is subject to the rule for reveals (E1) and is subject to modkills.

E3) Having fun is mandatory. Don’t spoil it for others.

E4) Play for your current faction at all times, even though it may change. Don’t play with an eye for what you think the future may hold. Do what is best for your faction.

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Rules and pointers concerning abilities:

F1) Every ability, even if it is knowing another player’s role/alignment, is described as a Power. There are Night Powers, Day Powers and Passive Powers. Passive Powers are always in effect (unless expended), Day Powers can only be activated during the Day Phase, and Night Powers can only be activated during the Night Phase.

F2) Bullet Proofs and Heals save only against a single kill action. If you are targeted by 2 kills and have 1 BP, you are going to be very dead.

F3) Recruitment Proofs and Recruitment Immunities: some roles are permanently immune to recruitment attempts: these have a recruitment immunity. Some other roles have one or more Recruitment Proofs. Just like a Bullet Proof, these protect you against a single recruitment action.

F4) The Guard ability also blocks some passive powers during the Phase in which the Guard ability is used. If a Passive Power is affected by a Guard, it says so in the player’s role PM.

F5) If multiple recruiters target the same player, the biggest faction recruits first, and after that, the player is recruited by the smallest faction. In case of a tie, a tiebreaker known to the mods is applied. The player only learns faction specific information from the faction he is last recruited by.

F6) Coroner Finder may or may not be subject to the abilities of one or more players.

F7) Actions are resolved in the following order (note: all or none of these abilities may be in the game): Guard, Find, Heal, Recruit, Kill. Other abilities not named will be accorded a special place by the mods in this order. If your Role PM suggests a different priority order for one or more abilities, believe your PM.

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Victory Conditions:

G1) The Republicans win if they are the last faction remaining in the game.

G2) The Brutii win when they are the last faction remaining in the game.

G3) The Julii win when they are the last faction remaining in the game, but cannot claim victory while both Marc Anthony and Octavian are alive.



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Roles, sign-ups etc. To be filled in, here.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 03 January 2009 - 07:19 PM

Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 29 December 2008 - 10:31 PM

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Password SH: victoriouslegion
Password Path-Shaper: tyrant.


Republican Faction:
Orator - JA - Emurlahn - speechless
Upstart - Lisheo - Tennes - pariah Mod Kill night 1.
Patrician - Kurt - Kaschan - nobility
Benefactor 1 - Stalker - Liosan - riches
Benefactor 2 - alt146 - Galayn Lord - orgy
Cuckold 1 - Morgoth45 - Gamelon - cheated
Cuckold 2 - Yellow - D'riss - blood
Vox Populi - The Dude - Hood's Path - roman
Cicero - Grief - Kessobahn - geriatric
Pontifex - Sir Thursday - Korlat - peace
Arcanus - Masterblue - Silanah - assassin Lynched day 2
Triumphator - DiBs - Rashan - survivor

Julii Faction:
Lepidus - Baudin - Ruse - general
Anthony - Bent - Fener - ambition lynched day 4
Octavian - The Man Who - Thyrllan - emperor lynched day 3
Praetor (julii) - J_slr - Ampelas - power

Brutii Faction:
Brutus - Gavin - Mockra - kingslayer nk-ed night 4
Longinus - Gem - Omtose - kingpin mod-killed day 2.
Casca - Mentalist - Shadow - gossip
Praetor (Brutii) - Ace Hunter - Serc - tacticus

Day 1 Abilities & Provisionals:
Korlat, Pontifex: convert to Republican & night guard: Emurlahn and D'riss.
Emurlahn: +1 vote on Rashan
Thyrllan, Octavian: Ruse becomes a meatshield for the remainder of the day and the entire night.

Night 1 abilities & provisionals:
Fener, Marc Anthony: recruit Ruse for the Julii
D'riss, Cockold 2 : Find on Ampelas. Confirmed.
Shadow, Casca: message to Brutus: Hail Brutus from your loyal servant, I am immune to recruitment, will try to keep all 4 of us alive in the days to come. To reveal myself to you, my first day 2 post will have a "yawn" in it
Kaschan, Patrician: target Thyrllan (guarded for the next day, and cannot vote). Since the action is taken during the night and Octavian is then still protected by Ruse, it will bounce to Ruse... unless Ruse dies, of course.
Ruse: guard + heal Octavian. This is bounced to Ruse because of Thyrllan's ability (if he lives past the lynch). Confirmed.
Serc: do nothing
Mockra (Brutus): recruit Emurlahn to the Brutii
Galayn Lord Bribe Shadow
Liosan, Benefactor: use on Rashan, if Rashan is lynched, use on Kessobahn. Good choice, that last one ;)
Rashan, Triumphator : No action

Day 2, abilities & provisionals:

Korlat, Pontifex: Galayn Lord, Mockra - he's definately has a thing for his own finders :p
Thyrllan, Octavian: Ruse is bodyguard.
Kessobahn: pass

Night 2, abilities & provisionals:
D'riss: alignment find on Ampelas, Bent would be informed as well.
Kaschan: target Ruse
Liosan: target Ampelas
GL: investigate Shadow's powers - blocked.
Ampelas : Give Thyrllan a BP (It should Jump to Ruse)
Serc : Give night killing power to Ampelas :p
Shadow : Send message to Mockra.
Ruse: kill Rashan (-1 BP for Rashan)
Fener: recruit Rashan (-1 recruit immunity for Rashan)
Rashan: pass
Gamelon: does a find on Shadow, Mockra informed as well.

Day 3 actions:

Korlat: target Liosan and Galayn Lord

Night 3 actions:

Kessobahn (no action)
Korlat (no action)
Emurlahn (no action)
Ampelas (pass)
Serc (pass)
Rashan (pass)
Liosan: No action but blocked anyway
Galayn Lord: yet to announce but blocked
D'riss: HP
Gamelon: yet to announce
Shadow: send message to Serc send message to Mockra
Ruse: provisional: kill Kessobahn (good move!!) changed to Kill Serc, Changed again to kill Rashan
Fener: recruit Rashan
Mockra: recruit D'riss
Kaschan: Target Serc

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 11 January 2009 - 12:49 PM

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 11:25 PM

Roles:
Orator – Republican
You're a man of learning and have been impeccably trained by the best orators the effeminate Greeks could offer. Your pleas bring tears to the eyes of the most hardened veteran, your condemnations make even lawyers shudder and your praise elevates even the most common of men to the station of gods.

Passive Power: Your words carry more weight than that of the average senator, and thus, your votes during lynches count double. This ability is affected by Guard abilities.

Tapper's Note (also to player):
We generally, on thread, only display the players who have voted and the required number of votes for lynch or night, but never the current accumulated number of votes. Vote count and players who have voted are 2 different things, and I think it would be fun to make one or more roles mess with vote counts.

Upstart – Republican
You've been promoted to senator because in your youth, you were Rome's prettiest young man and slept your way up. You shared the bed of just about everyone who is something in Rome. You're commonly referred to as the 'manwhore', the 'man who licked my balls and begged for more'. Fact of life is: no-one listens to you. All those people who once used you and now frown down upon you, avoid you like the plague.

Passive Power: Your votes during lynches do not count. This ability is affected by Guard abilities.

Tapper's Note also to player:
We will, on thread, only display the players who have voted and the required number of votes for lynch or night, but never the current accumulated number of votes. Vote count and players who have voted are 2 different things and I think it would be fun to make one or more roles mess with vote counts.

Patrician – Republican
You're of an ancient and lauded family, and your name carries weight. Many here owe you, and those who don't are still happy to win your favour by foregoing their own best interests for a day.

Night Power: Once per night, you can send the name of another player to the mods. He or she cannot use any of his or her Day Power(s) during the next day, nor can he or she vote in lynches. You may not target the same player with this power two days in a row. The player will be informed of the results of this action.


Benefactor – Republican
(x2 - remove this when sending PM)
You're a popular man in Rome, and the reason is this: you're filthy rich. Others crave your money and invites to your parties, palaces and orgies, which are without exception the most splendid of your generation. The men surrounding you may be better speakers, better generals, more famous politicians, men with pedigree, but you, you hold the promise of decadence and splendour without bounds. They are eager to reveal their intentions… for a small price.

Night Power: Once a night, target another player. You learn the nature of his power and his most recent target, but not the character's name (if any). You can use this ability three times in the entire game.


Cuckold – Republican (x2 - remove this when sending to player)
You've got a beautiful but insatiable young wife, and she's hardly promiscuous in her attentions to others. Since you are near 60 and prefer little boys anyway, all's well and you have developed an alliance of sorts with her. She shares the secrets her lovers spill during pillowtalk for you to blackmail them with, and you, you grant her all the luxury and well-built slaves of both sexes that she asks for. Unfortunately, she has a tendency towards post-orgasmic gossip, so what you learn, others may as well…

Night Power: you can send the name of a player to the mods, and come the morning, you will receive the current allegiance of that player, just like a normal finder. However, every time you use this power, one of the many lovers of your wife will learn exactly what you have learned…

Pontifex Maximus – Republican
The Pontifex is the high priest of Rome – a thoroughly political function, far more political than religious, in fact. It is your task to maintain the pax deorum: the peace of the gods. Rome tearing itself asunder over power wouldn't do, so you try to unite everyone into an agreement that has the good of the Republic at its centre. You're plotting has caught on, but the innermost circle of both Brutus and Marc Anthony proves very resistant. More, your fellow senators are continuously swayed by their arguments, so you need to keep a firm grip on them.

Day Power: Each day, you can send the names of two alts to the mods. Their players cannot use night actions in the coming night. You cannot send in the same names on consecutive nights for this action, but you can send in the name of one player you targeted the night before, and a new one. You may never target a single player with this action more than twice in a row.


Example: night 1, you target player A and B. Night 2, you target A and player C. Night 3, you cannot target A again. If one or both of them have been recruited by either the Brutii or the Julii, then that/ those characters become Republicans at the end of the day. Should one or both the players be unrecruitable, you will be told of the failure of your efforts, but not the name of the alt.


Passive Powers: The Pontifex has 1 Bullet proof against any and all kills, except lynches. Being targeted by a kill will reveal your role and abilities. He is also immune to recruitment.


Vox Populi – Republican

You're the 'voice of the people' and they love you for it. However, you're not doing this because you think they are important, but because they are a good powerbase that few in this room are daring to tap into, for the plebiscite is fickle, and has a penchant towards lynching their forming favourites. Whenever you have to say something, you say that which is appealing the most to the rabble outside. The people have no influence here, but the bakers, servants and slaves love to gossip and provide you with global information about the political environment.

Passive Power: after the Brutii, the Julii and the Pontifex Maximus have recruited/ deprogrammed, the mods send you the size of each faction (Brutii, Julii, Republicans). This ability is affected by Guards.

Day Power: Once per game, you can impose the will of the people on the senate by revealing your role during the day. No lynches will be possible on this day. But: you may not mention this power during your reveal. Only once day has turned into night may you reveal this Power. During the day, voting will happen as normal, but no lynch will take place. Instead, once the sufficient number of votes for a lynch (or night) has been reached, night starts.

Cicero – Republican
You are the most famous orator of your time, a man of principle and virtue. And while you supported Brutus in his noble slaying of Caesar, the man who would have ruled Rome alone like a king, you are now not so certain if he is the man to lead the restoration of the Republic. Your oratory and sharp reasoning are feared by all, and you can cut quickly to the core of any issue through your monologues.

Day Power: twice per game (but no more than once per day), you can expose a single alt to the gathering by sending his name to the Mod. A scene will be constructed and displayed in the thread by the mod, featuring the player's role, abilities and current affiliation. Your own identity will not be exposed (but your role will be mentioned).


Arcanus – Republican
You are a secret member of the fabled Arcani, a group of religious military assassins. You are here to take care of any usurpers and tilt the balance towards those who can lead the Republic to new glorious conquests.

Night Power: you can perform a night kill against a target alt of your choice. The circumstances under which you can perform a kill will vary over the course of the game depending on your last target.

Passive Power: you cannot afford having your political preference and/or identity exposed, for the Arcani are not a political instrument: you are not even supposed to be here. As such: you (through the mods) will kill yourself if you are discovered (when you reveal or when someone does a find on you).

Thriumphator – Republican
You are a War Hero: a man of skill and virtue who has proven himself in countless campaigns and earned a Triumph. You aided in the murder against Caesar, for he overstepped his bounds, but now that the Julii and Brutii bicker, you see their ambition grow, and they may be no better than Caesar was.

Passive Powers: You have two bulletproofs to night kills, one lynch proof and one proof against recruitment. You will be informed of any attempts against you that expend these proofs.

Day Power: you can sacrifice a lynch proof and reveal yourself to perform a kill on a target alt. Night will then start immediately. Make sure you copy/paste this text into your reveal. This power is subject to the fact that you cannot reveal until the start of day 3!


Night Power: you can sacrifice a night kill bulletproof to perform a night-time Guard that blocks all abilities of an alt you send to the mods.



Praetor – Julii

You command a provincial army and have pledged your service to Marc Anthony. Now, you race to Rome to aid him in his bid for power. You have brought a small retinue of armed men from that province with you into Rome. They are men who are fanatically loyal to you, but they’re also armed, violent barbarians and are thus watched closely by the city’s garrison.

You’re allowed three different actions, but may take only one per night. Once a power has been used, you lose it, permanently.
Night Power: target another player. That player is guarded during the coming day and has all his powers negated.
Night Power: target another player. That player receives a Bulletproof.
Night Power: target any player, including yourself. That player gains the following action:

Night Power: Once per game, you may send the name of another player to the mods. Both you and target player are killed. Bullet Proofs do not save you from your own destruction, but may save the other player.

Passive Power: you know the identity of Lepidus. You may not reveal his identity or allegiance on topic and you may not vote for him.


Marcus Aemilius Lepidus – Julii
You are General Marcus Aemilius Lepidus, one of Caesar's commanders. At your disposal is the elite 7th Legion, now in control of the city. You support your dashing fellow general Marc Anthony, but should he expire, you will transfer your loyalty to Caesar's young heir, Octavianus. You are aware that these two will fight like rabid dogs over the control of your faction, and you have decided to take no sides. Passive Power: You know who Marcus Anthonius is, and who Octavianus is. You may never vote for one or the other or reveal their identity. You cannot be recruited by other factions.

Night Power: you can Heal and Guard one of your leaders (Anthony or Octavian) against a single night action. If your target is targeted by multiple actions, the following precedent is set: Kill above Find, Find above Guard, Guard above Heal. Since your ability is both a Heal and a Guard, it means Anthony or Octavian cannot use his recruitment ability.


Night Power: you can decide to Night Kill a target player, but then you cannot use your Guard + Heal ability. You will lose both your Night Actions if you ever hit a member of the Julii faction with your Night Kill.


Octavianus – Julii
You are young Octavianus, Caesar's nephew and his heir. You and Marc Anthony are embroiled in a fierce battle over control of the Julii faction. You (and your faction) win when the Julii have achieved a majority in the council and Marc Anthony is dead. Your role has the following benefits:

Day Power: each morning, you learn the identity of every Julii alt in the game, except for the player who is Marc Anthony.

Day Power: you can target a fellow Julii. This Julii will be your bodyguard. Any day and night actions targeting you will target that player instead for as long as the player is alive.

Night Power: When (and only then) Marc Anthony is dead, you will be able to recruit for the Julii faction.

Passive Power: You cannot be recruited by other factions.


Marcus Anthonius – Julii
You are Marc Anthony, dead Caesar's right hand and the favourite of the legions, a proud hero of Rome. Caesar's death opened the opportunity to power for yourself, and you are determined to reunite all Caesar's lapdogs behind you and grasp that power. However, not all is well. Caesars heir and nephew, young Octavianus, is determined to snatch the Julii faction for himself. He can have it… over your dead body. Before you can win, Octavianus must die.

Passive Power: you cannot be recruited by other factions.

Night Power: You're an influential man, and your whispers don't fall on deaf ears. Every night, you can recruit a player to your cause, making them a member of your faction. You win when your faction is the sole one remaining. Everyone joining your faction will learn the identity and allegiance of the man recruited before them. Should that player's allegiance have changed in the meantime, then they will learn the name of the one recruited before, etc. In case there is no-one recruited before, they will learn the name of one of the unrecruitable Julii, but, while you live, never the identity of Octavian.

Day Power: Your men hold Caesar's corpse, and through your Funeral Speech, which you can speak out once this game (message the mods to activate it), during the day, you can force Brutus into the open, exposing his identity, powers and allegiance (Brutii) to all. However, this will lead to open warfare between your faction and his, and makes his followers desperate and aggressive, increasing their abilities significantly. Use it wisely.


Praetor – Brutii
You command a provincial army and have pledged your service to Brutus. Now, you race to Rome to aid him in his bid for power. You have brought a small retinue of armed men from that province with you into Rome. They are men who are fanatically loyal to you, but they’re also armed, violent barbarians and are thus watched closely by the city’s garrison.

You’re allowed three different actions, but may take only 1 per night. Once a power has been used, you lose it, permanently.
Night Power: target another player. That player is guarded during the coming day.
Night Power: target another player. That player receives a Bulletproof.
Night Power: target any player, including yourself. That player gains the following action:

Night Power: Once per game, you may send the name of another player to the mods. Both you and target player are killed. Bullet Proofs do not save you from your own destruction, but may save the other player.

Passive Power: you know the identity of Longinus. You may not reveal his identity or allegiance on topic and you may not vote for him.


Brutus – Brutii
You are Marcus Junius Brutus, and you are the saviour of the Roman Republic. You killed your friend, Caesar, because he was rapidly becoming a dictatorial tyrant. However, the siren song of absolute power is now rampaging through Caesar's followers, the Julii. It seems your work is not yet done. Once again, you need to convince your fellow senators that the Republic needs to be restored, and that you're the man to do it. Your opponents aren't just the Julii, though. The Pontifex is whispering of reconciliation between you and Marc Anthony, blind to the 7th Legion that Anthony is using to establish a stranglehold on Rome. Unless he is stopped now, he will conquer the city in spite of whatever treaty he signs.

Night Power: You're an influential man, and your whispers don't fall on deaf ears. Every night, you can recruit a player to your cause, making them a member of your faction. You win when your faction is the sole one remaining. Your recruited followers will learn the identity of your right hand man, Caius Cassius Longinus.


Secret Ability, remove before sending: When you die with fewer than 2 recruits (not counting Longinus and Casca), all of your surviving followers (including Longinus and Casca) will receive a single one-shot night kill each. More, Longinus will become a standard killer with 1 BP, in addition to his vig. He can perform the vig AND a regular kill in a single night. There's no timer on the vig.

When Brutus dies and he has more than 2 recruits (not counting Longinus and Casca), Casca will receive a one-time recruitment option and Longinus will become a standard killer with 1 BP.

Caius Cassius Longinus – Brutii
You are Brutus' right hand man, a brilliant soldier. You are incorruptible and tempestuous and are the one who guards Brutus' identity and safety. You will also lead his followers.

Night Power: Activate this power. Any action targeting Brutus will target you instead. Passive Power: The first time someone not of your own faction targets you successfully with a power, he is killed immediately and the power is cancelled. The second time someone not of your of your own faction targets you successfully with an power, the power is cancelled. After that, you are fair game.

The priority for these actions (should two or more target you at the same time) is: Kill over Find, Find over Guard, Guard over Heal. You cannot be recruited by other factions.


Publius Servilius Casca – Brutii
You are Brutus' left hand man and were the first man to attack Caesar, but didn't manage to strike him down. In fact, in your nerves, you almost betrayed the conspiracy to Caesar the day before the murder, but since you stabbed him, you feel you will have to rely on Brutus to survive.

Passive Power: you will learn the identity of every single recruit in your faction, and you will know when they are recruited by another faction. You cannot be recruited by other factions.

Night Power: you can send the mod a 1-line message and the name of an alt who is part of your faction. At the end of the night, the alt will receive the message, but not your identity.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 04 January 2009 - 12:07 PM

Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 30 December 2008 - 09:41 AM

wow, that's one extensive role list, Tapper my boy. I am impressed. I cannot even start to imagine whether this will be balanced or not, but it should play out interesting.

I am particularly curious as to how.. umh.. m45? will play. It's always interesting with new people, even if I want his blood ;)

so, how does the role distribution look?
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Posted 30 December 2008 - 09:41 AM

oh yeah, I must admitt though that the veterans lynch proof power might be taking in a step to far in my opinion, but you do have a better grasp of your game than I do
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Posted 30 December 2008 - 10:22 AM

It isn't entirely balanced, it can even be entirely out of balance, but it is TDMI 9, and that can be unbalanced per its description ;)
I tried to provide a counter for each and every role by another role, but it isn't entirely perfect :p
Odds are probably in favor of the Republicans... I'd say they and the Julii have the best chance, and the Brutii lag behind. Unless Brutus is killed early in the game, day 1 would be best, then their killer's identity is safe.

A lot will depend on day 1.
A nightmare scenario would be if the Pontifex targets Longinus during day 1, has his BP removed and is revealed as Pontifex, and then Marc Anthony reveals Brutus. In that case, it's the Julii with 1 recruiter + backup versus the rest of the field and the enemy recruiters known. They'll lynch Brutus and Lepidus will kill the Pontifex.

The Veteran:
He's got the lynchproof because the Republicans lack cohesion. They have a powerful recruiter and a lot of the counterroles against other factions, but they have no-one to step up and direct the game during the first days when play will be frenzied. I wanted to give them a workhorse: either the Veteran plays high profile and catches kills and lynches and recruit attempts, or he lies low and has the guards and vig to counter the cults later in the game.
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Posted 30 December 2008 - 10:52 AM

Distribution:

Orator - JA - Emurlahn - speechless
Upstart - Lisheo - Tennes - pariah
Patrician - Kurt - Kaschan - nobility
Benefactor 1 - Stalker - Liosan - riches
Benefactor 2 - alt146 - **** - ****
Cuckold 1 - Morgoth45 - Gamelon - cheated
Cuckold 2 - Yellow - D'riss - blood
Vox Populi - The Dude - Hood's Path - can't change??
Cicero - Grief - Kessobahn - geriatric
Pontifex - Sir Thursday - Korlat - peace
Arcanus - Masterblue - Silanah - assassin
Triumphator - DiBs - Rashan - survivor

Lepidus - Baudin - Ruse - general
Anthony - Bent - Fener - ambition
Octavian - The Man Who - Thyrllan - emperor

Brutus - Gavin - Mockra - kingslayer
Longinus - Gem - Omtose - kingpin
Casca - Mentalist - Shadow - gossip

Well, it was done mostly random, but as I didn't want to plunge Stalker into the role of Brutus on his second game, also with the real chance of seeing him killed day 1, I shuffled stuff around. Same for Morgoth45 - new community, thus a somewhat easier role so that he can get used to the surroundings.

Upstart, Cuckold 2 and Benefactor 2 are the roles that are scratched with fewer players, but I'm seriously considering removing the Arcanus instead. With 2 fewer finders, he may simply run around too long.

In that case, I'd suggest making Gavin Brutus and Lisheo Upstart as I want a high poster for the role of Upstart and Gavin's working, so won't manage that. Gem will be a killer type for two games in a row, but that can't be helped.

Also, unkillable DiBs will be insufferable ;)

So, what do you think?

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 11:18 AM

well, I love that DiBs got that role, and some helped randomnes can be applied now and then in my opinion. the Julii seems the weakest, but that always seems to blow up in my face, so who knows ;)
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Posted 30 December 2008 - 11:33 AM

Well, Octavian can't die for as long as people are recruited, so they'll see the endgame ;)
I have a problem with HP's log-in. Seems the password isn't evan, as the 36.5 spoilers suggest.

Logging to P-S now to send the role PMs.
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Posted 30 December 2008 - 11:47 AM

View PostTapper, on Dec 30 2008, 12:33 PM, said:

Well, Octavian can't die for as long as people are recruited, so they'll see the endgame ;)
I have a problem with HP's log-in. Seems the password isn't evan, as the 36.5 spoilers suggest.

Logging to P-S now to send the role PMs.


do you wante me to change it for a new one, or have you gotten it working now?
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Posted 30 December 2008 - 12:28 PM

mechanics.

Recruitment

* Recruitment of the same person by two factions: smallest faction recruits last.

So, if Brutii have 3 members and Julii 4, and both target player X, first the Julii recruit him, then the Brutii. At the end of the night, player X joins the Brutii.
He does not receive the special info for recruits of the Julii.

In case of a tie in factionsize, the Brutii recruit last since they have only 1 recruiter.

* Brutus, Marc Anthony and Octavian are not told if their recruitments succeed or fail.

The Cuckold and his wife: passing on information.
Finds on a Republican character are always sent to the Pontifex.
If the Pontifex is dead, send them to the triumphator.
If the Triumphator is dead or recruited, send them to Cicero.
If Cicero is dead or recruited, send them to the Patrician.
If he is dead or recruited, send them to a random Republican.

Finds on a Brutii character:
On odd nights, we inform Marc Anthony.
If MA is dead, we inform Octavian.
If he is dead, Lepidus.
If he's dead, a random Julii character.

On even nights, we inform Brutus.
If he is dead, we inform Longinus.
If he is dead, we inform Casca.
If he's dead, a random Brutii character.

Finds on a Julii character:

On odd nights, we inform Brutus.
If he is dead, we inform Longinus.
If he is dead, we inform Casca.
If he's dead, a random Brutii character.

On even nights, we inform Marc Anthony.
If MA is dead, we inform Octavian.
If he is dead, Lepidus.
If he's dead, a random Julii character.

Arcanus: earning new kills & dying
* the Arcanus commits suicide the second someone does a find on him (Cuckold(s), Benefactor(s) & Cicero all qualify as finds, as does a reveal by the Arcanus himself. If this happens during the day, we do not go to night automatically. Post a suicide scene, do not reveal the role.

* the Arcanus earns new kills like this:
- if he killed a named character (the 3 starting Brutii, the 3 starting Julii and Cicero) he gains a new night kill. this night kill cannot be used if he has killed the day before.
- if he killed an unnamed character (every single other character) he gains a day vig.
This day vig cannot be used if he has killed the night before. This day vig is resolved in the lynch scene.

So, the Arcanus can kill only once per day + night cycle.
If there's trouble with the wording, please let me know. Venge and I did what we could to make sure the Arcanus could not kill twice per day/night cycle, the current wording does not allow that.

Please note: the Arcanus does not know yet of the mechanic: it's not in his role PM.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 30 December 2008 - 12:29 PM

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 02:41 PM

View PostTapper, on Dec 30 2008, 04:52 AM, said:

Distribution:

Orator - JA - Emurlahn - speechless
Upstart - ***** - Tennes - pariah
Patrician - Kurt - Kaschan - nobility
Benefactor 1 - Stalker - Liosan - riches
Benefactor 2 - **** -
Cuckold 1 - Morgoth45 - Gamelon - cheated
Cuckold 2 - **** -
Vox Populi - The Dude - Hood's Path - can't change??
Cicero - Grief - Kessobahn - geriatric
Pontifex - Sir Thursday - Korlat - peace
Arcanus - Gavin - Silanah - assassin
Triumphator - DiBs - Rashan - survivor

Lepidus - Baudin - Ruse - general
Anthony - Bent - Fener - ambition
Octavian - The Man Who - Thyrllan - emperor

Brutus - Lisheo - Mockra - kingslayer
Longinus - Gem - Omtose - kingpin
Casca - Mentalist - Shadow - gossip

Well, it was done mostly random, but as I didn't want to plunge Stalker into the role of Brutus on his second game, also with the real chance of seeing him killed day 1, I shuffled stuff around. Same for Morgoth45 - new community, thus a somewhat easier role so that he can get used to the surroundings.

Upstart, Cuckold 2 and Benefactor 2 are the roles that are scratched with fewer players, but I'm seriously considering removing the Arcanus instead. With 2 fewer finders, he may simply run around too long.

In that case, I'd suggest making Gavin Brutus and Lisheo Upstart as I want a high poster for the role of Upstart and Gavin's working, so won't manage that. Gem will be a killer type for two games in a row, but that can't be helped.

Also, unkillable DiBs will be insufferable ;)

So, what do you think?


Well Gavin should have enough time to play as the market isn't very busy right now. Otherwise he probably would be low poster killed and we would lose Arcanus before he has a chance to make an impact. I actually like the Bruti, Mental and Gem will be good back up for Lisheo. If day one goes slow and meanders then the next couple of days should see serious action. :p
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Posted 30 December 2008 - 02:56 PM

View PostTapper, on Dec 30 2008, 12:33 PM, said:

Well, Octavian can't die for as long as people are recruited, so they'll see the endgame ;)
I have a problem with HP's log-in. Seems the password isn't evan, as the 36.5 spoilers suggest.

Logging to P-S now to send the role PMs.


i'll fix it when i get home :p
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Posted 30 December 2008 - 05:29 PM

View PostVengeance, on Dec 30 2008, 03:41 PM, said:

View PostTapper, on Dec 30 2008, 04:52 AM, said:

Distribution:

Orator - JA - Emurlahn - speechless
Upstart - ***** - Tennes - pariah
Patrician - Kurt - Kaschan - nobility
Benefactor 1 - Stalker - Liosan - riches
Benefactor 2 - **** -
Cuckold 1 - Morgoth45 - Gamelon - cheated
Cuckold 2 - **** -
Vox Populi - The Dude - Hood's Path - can't change??
Cicero - Grief - Kessobahn - geriatric
Pontifex - Sir Thursday - Korlat - peace
Arcanus - Gavin - Silanah - assassin
Triumphator - DiBs - Rashan - survivor

Lepidus - Baudin - Ruse - general
Anthony - Bent - Fener - ambition
Octavian - The Man Who - Thyrllan - emperor

Brutus - Lisheo - Mockra - kingslayer
Longinus - Gem - Omtose - kingpin
Casca - Mentalist - Shadow - gossip

Well, it was done mostly random, but as I didn't want to plunge Stalker into the role of Brutus on his second game, also with the real chance of seeing him killed day 1, I shuffled stuff around. Same for Morgoth45 - new community, thus a somewhat easier role so that he can get used to the surroundings.

Upstart, Cuckold 2 and Benefactor 2 are the roles that are scratched with fewer players, but I'm seriously considering removing the Arcanus instead. With 2 fewer finders, he may simply run around too long.

In that case, I'd suggest making Gavin Brutus and Lisheo Upstart as I want a high poster for the role of Upstart and Gavin's working, so won't manage that. Gem will be a killer type for two games in a row, but that can't be helped.

Also, unkillable DiBs will be insufferable ;)

So, what do you think?


Well Gavin should have enough time to play as the market isn't very busy right now. Otherwise he probably would be low poster killed and we would lose Arcanus before he has a chance to make an impact. I actually like the Bruti, Mental and Gem will be good back up for Lisheo. If day one goes slow and meanders then the next couple of days should see serious action. :p

Well, with unkillable DiBs we should see a lot of antagonizing, and I think Lisheo and Grief will go rampant, too :p
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Posted 01 January 2009 - 06:35 PM

I'll leave things as they are now, and make Yellow Cuckold nr 2, giving him the Tennes alt.
4 finders should provide enough of a check on the Arcanus.
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Posted 03 January 2009 - 07:14 PM

Everyone has received their alt messages, apart from alt146 (because I couldn't find an available alt I could log into) and The Dude (because I can't log into HP, so can't send him a password).

Things to do:
- give 1 alt (one out of Anomandaris, Korvalain, Meanas, Telas, Serc, Tellan?) a new password;
- send that alt a Benefactor role description;
- send the identity of that alt + password to alt146

- reset password on HP to something logical
- send The Dude an alt pm saying he's HP and what his password is.

Yellow is D'riss, by the way, not Tennes.

Final role distribution:

Orator - JA - Emurlahn - speechless
Upstart - Lisheo - Tennes - pariah
Patrician - Kurt - Kaschan - nobility
Benefactor 1 - Stalker - Liosan - riches
Benefactor 2 - alt146 - Galayn Lord - orgy
Cuckold 1 - Morgoth45 - Gamelon - cheated
Cuckold 2 - Yellow - D'riss - blood
Vox Populi - The Dude - Hood's Path - can't change
Cicero - Grief - Kessobahn - geriatric
Pontifex - Sir Thursday - Korlat - peace
Arcanus - Masterblue - Silanah - assassin
Triumphator - DiBs - Rashan - survivor

Lepidus - Baudin - Ruse - general
Anthony - Bent - Fener - ambition
Octavian - The Man Who - Thyrllan - emperor

Brutus - Gavin - Mockra - kingslayer
Longinus - Gem - Omtose - kingpin
Casca - Mentalist - Shadow - gossip

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 04 January 2009 - 10:17 AM

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Posted 03 January 2009 - 09:56 PM

A couple of reactions to the roles:
Ruadin:

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Marcus Aemilius Lepidus – Julii
You are General Marcus Aemilius Lepidus, one of Caesar's commanders. At your disposal is the elite 7th Legion, now in control of the city. You support your dashing fellow general Marc Anthony, but should he expire, you will transfer your loyalty to Caesar's young heir, Octavianus. You are aware that these two will fight like rabid dogs over the control of your faction, and you have decided to take no sides.

Passive Power: You know who Marcus Anthonius is, and who Octavianus is. You may never vote for one or the other or reveal their identity. You cannot be recruited by other factions.
Marcus Anthonius = Fener
Octavian
= Thyrllan

Night Power: you can Heal and Guard one of your leaders (Anthony or Octavian) against a single night action. If your target is targeted by multiple actions, the following precedent is set: Kill above Find, Find above Guard, Guard above Heal. Since your ability is both a Heal and a Guard, it means your target (Anthony or Octavian) cannot use their Night ability.


Night Power: you can decide to Night Kill a target player, but then you cannot use your Guard + Heal ability. You will lose both your Night Actions if you ever hit a member of the Julii faction with your Night Kill.

Ok first, the stupid anal question :p is the Marc Anthony in the first paragraph the Marcus Anthonius mentioned in the rest of the role pm, just so im not getting tricked :p .
Next one am i to assume from the list of orders, that while its called a heal, my heal blocks finds and other things as well. (yes i know i also guard them )
And finally can i kill either Marc anthony or octavian if i see the need. As my faction cant win with both alive, if the time comes where i think we have a majority can i kill one of them.

Yes, Marc Anthony and Marcus Anthonius are interchangeable.

Your 'heal' is indeed a block on 1 action of any of the mentioned types (kills, finds, guards, heals) against Anthony or Octavian.

As for killing Anthony or Octavian... hmm, interesting question.
I'd say that the wording of the ability allows it, so, yes, you can.

Notice though that it's not about having a majority, but about being the only ones standing at the end of the game.

Right cool, oh yeah me being stupid there :p
Good il remember that if it gets to a point when there both alive, but only we are left :p



Shadowlist:

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Publius Servilius Casca – Brutii
You are Brutus' left hand man and were the first man to attack Caesar, but didn't manage to strike him down. In fact, in your nerves, you almost betrayed the conspiracy to Caesar the day before the murder, but since you stabbed him, you feel you will have to rely on Brutus to survive.

Passive Power: every morning, you will learn the identity of every single recruit in your faction, and you will know when they are recruited by another faction.

Passive Power: You cannot be recruited by other factions.

Night Power: you can send the mod a 1-line message and the name of an alt who is part of your faction. At the end of the night, the alt will receive the message, but not your identity.


lovely
I love the Shadow alt, btw
should I be told who is Brutus?

Well, basically, you should be told the identity of every single alt at the start of the morning, but seeing how that is now:
Mockra = Marcus Junius Brutus
Omtose = Caius Cassius Longinus.

These are the two other members of the Brutii faction at the start of the game.
Any further updates on status will just include the alt name and the fact that they are recruited, not a role name like these two.

I updated Thyrman Who with the exact same message: gave him the name of Lepidus and warned him that from there on, no rolenames would be forthcoming.
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Posted 03 January 2009 - 10:24 PM

Tenneo is very pleased with his role - ahem- :

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Upstart – Republican
You've been promoted to senator because in your youth, you were Rome's prettiest young man and slept your way up. You shared the bed of just about everyone who is something in Rome. You're commonly referred to as the 'manwhore', the 'man who licked my balls and begged for more'. Fact of life is: no-one listens to you. All those people who once used you and now frown down upon you, avoid you like the plague.

Passive Power: Your votes during lynches do not count. This ability is affected by Guard abilities.

Tapper's Note also to player:
We will, on thread, only display the players who have voted and the required number of votes for lynch or night, but never the current accumulated number of votes. Vote count and players who have voted are 2 different things, after all.


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Tapper, I hate you...
Can I actually do anything with this role at all?
Tell me it will change or something. I'm worse than RI.
Please. :p
Although, thinking on it, I'm sure I can weasel some advantages out of it... maybe... probably not...
Although, it does essentially mean I'm immune to guarding, in fact, it helps me.
Thank heavens for small mercies.
But I'm starting my list now, you evil, evil man.

1.- Tapper

That is all.

Hehe, maybe I deserved that.

To point out a few bright sides:
1) imagine the general confusion when someone doesn't die with 10 people voting for him, day 1. Or the fun of 'hammering' someone you don't want lynched, a few minutes before deadline :p
2) you're one big, red herring. Has its uses for your side, no?
3) start and jump on any trains, it is not like YOU are the guy who gets the poor suspect lynched, after all :p

I'm sure you'll find a few other uses, I've got full confidence in you.
Up until then, I'm honoured to top your grudge-list :p

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Posted 04 January 2009 - 10:27 AM

J_slr - Praetor - Ampelas - power
1 more alt needed for Acehunter, I'm going to do some searching for that :p
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Posted 04 January 2009 - 11:33 AM

This will be a fun introduction into our community for the new players I think. I'm very curious about master B. m45 and The Man Who Ate His Children
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