[Tapper]

Hopefully, yes.
If they all get killed night 1, not so much

By the by, J_slr and Acehunter become Praetors, 1 for the Julii and 1 for the Brutii.
Each of them will be a toolbox role. Maybe a bit too strong, and maybe the Republicans will be overwhelmed due to it, but it should increase the fun.

Praetor – Brutii
You command a provincial army and have pledged your service to Brutus. Now, you race to Rome to aid him in his bid for power. You have brought a small retinue of armed men from that province with you into Rome. They are men who are fanatically loyal to you, but they’re also armed, violent barbarians and are thus watched closely by the city’s garrison.

You’re allowed three different actions, but may take only 1 per night. Once a power has been used, you lose it, permanently.
Night Power: target another player. That player is guarded during the coming day.
Night Power: target another player. That player receives a Bulletproof.
Night Power: target any player, including yourself. That player gains the following action:

Night Power: Once per game, you may send the name of another player to the mods. Both you and target player are killed. Bullet Proofs do not save you from your own destruction, but may save the other player.

Passive Power: you know the identity of Longinus. You may not reveal his identity or allegiance on topic and you may not vote for him.


Praetor – Julii
You command a provincial army and have pledged your service to Marc Anthony. Now, you race to Rome to aid him in his bid for power. You have brought a small retinue of armed men from that province with you into Rome. They are men who are fanatically loyal to you, but they’re also armed, violent barbarians and are thus watched closely by the city’s garrison.

You’re allowed three different actions, but may take only one per night. Once a power has been used, you lose it, permanently.
Night Power: target another player. That player is guarded during the coming day and has all his powers negated.
Night Power: target another player. That player receives a Bulletproof.
Night Power: target any player, including yourself. That player gains the following action:

Night Power: Once per game, you may send the name of another player to the mods. Both you and target player are killed. Bullet Proofs do not save you from your own destruction, but may save the other player.

Passive Power: you know the identity of Lepidus. You may not reveal his identity or allegiance on topic and you may not vote for him.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 04 January 2009 - 11:45 AM

[Tapper]

Oh, and thanks for fixing the alts

[Tapper]

The Dude - Hood's Path - roman
Acehunter - Praetor (Brutii) - serc - tacticus
J_slr - Praetor (julii) - Ampelas - power

leftovers:
galain - constantine
meanas - pretor
anomandaris - sticus

And wow, this has become a very big game.

[Path-Shaper]

All PMs have been sent.

Thyrllan and Shadow have been informed of the additions to their side, as well.
I'd say it's all ready to go loose on monday.

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Sir Korlat:

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Pontifex Maximus – Republican
The Pontifex is the high priest of Rome – a thoroughly political function, far more political than religious, in fact. It is your task to maintain the pax deorum: the peace of the gods. Rome tearing itself asunder over power wouldn't do, so you try to unite everyone into an agreement that has the good of the Republic at its centre. You're plotting has caught on, but the innermost circle of both Brutus and Marc Anthony proves very resistant. More, your fellow senators are continuously swayed by their arguments, so you need to keep a firm grip on them.

Day Power: Each day, you can send the names of two alts to the mods. Their players cannot use night actions in the coming night. You cannot send in the same names on consecutive nights for this action, but you can send in the name of one player you targeted the night before, and a new one. You may never target a single player with this action more than twice in a row.

Example: night 1, you target player A and B. Night 2, you target A and player C. Night 3, you cannot target A again. If one or both of them have been recruited by either the Brutii or the Julii, then that/ those characters become Republicans at the end of the day. Should one or both the players be unrecruitable, you will be told of the failure of your efforts, but not the name of the alt.

Passive Powers: The Pontifex has 1 Bullet proof against any and all kills, except lynches. Being targeted by a kill will reveal your role and abilities. He is also immune to recruitment.

Hmm, either you were just confirming you have receivd it, or you forgot to type in comments
I'll take it as the first for now, if you have any questions, feel free to ask

Sorry, for some reason I have trouble getting messages through when I'm in alt. Basically, I noticed that the Example implies that I have some sort of recruitment power as well as the power blocking, but it's not explicitely stated anywhere. Can you clear that up?

Cheers,

ST/Korlat

I think something went wrong there, maybe I deleted the recruitment paragraph by accident.

Your action has 2 effects.
1) Whenever you target two players as by your action, both are guarded for the night.
2) if one or more of the targets isn't a Republican, he/she/they become Republican(s) (unless of course they're immune to recruits or have recruit proofs) at the end of the day and before the night phase.

If one of them can't be recruited AND isn't already a Republican, you will be notified of the failure (but not which of the two caused the failure).

Does that clear it up to your satisfaction? Don't hesitate to ask for more info!

So, the Pontifex is a deprogrammer/recruiter and does so during the day phase. Change of alignment happens at the end of the day (during the lynchscene).

[Vengeance]

Man I can't wait for this to go. Plus I have the distinct pleasure of having class start tomorrow as well. Yeah for me. But this game should be fantastic. Come on monday..

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PM convo, this one with Galayn146:

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Benefactor – Republican
You're a popular man in Rome, and the reason is this: you're filthy rich. Others crave your money and invites to your parties, palaces and orgies, which are without exception the most splendid of your generation. The men surrounding you may be better speakers, better generals, more famous politicians, men with pedigree, but you, you hold the promise of decadence and splendour without bounds. They are eager to reveal their intentions… for a small price.

Night Power: Once a night, target another player. You learn the nature of his power and his most recent target, but not the character's name (if any). You can use this ability three times in the entire game.

Lies, I have tons of pedigree. Whole cans full.

Do I learn the player's alignment, or am I going to get my boss lynched cos he has a scary role.

Only the power he used last, and the alt he targeted with it, not the role name, not the alignment he has.
So, yes, you can get your boss lynched

Aha, so i DO have a boss

Don't assume too much, it was your choice of words in the first place .

Balls, was hoping you'd let something slip. The game looks like fun, but I havent had much time to think about what sort of fiendish things you might do. The bit about roles that only work after a reveal look interesting

Anyway, I need to get to bed since it's my first day of work at my first job tomorrow and I have to be up at 5:30

Ouchie! Lots of success tomorrow, and hope you'll enjoy it, despite the early start!

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Sir Korlat:

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A few more questions:

-Will I get told what the original factions of the players are when/if I convert them to my cause?

-Do I get told if both targets are resistant to recruitment?

-Does the night action block apply to everyone I target, or just those who are recruit proof/have immunity?

Cheers,

Sir Thursday

No.

No. You just receive the message that one or more of your targets could not be recruited, not how many.

The block applies to everyone, recruited or not recruited. Basically, if you recruit someone with a night action, he is useless to you and your faction during the first night. And if you don't recruit him, at least you neutralized his/her night actions. So, it's a bit of a lose-win situation

Okay, one more:

How much information will the people I target get about what happened? Will they know which faction it was that blocked them if they are conversion resistant, for example?


ST/Korlat

No, they will not learn your faction, nor your alt, nor your role. Nor will they learn that the block is only a part of an action if they're unrecruitable.
Since the ability is stated as: they cannot use night actions (and not: their night actions are blocked), I'll inform them they're guarded, though.
All info will be sent to them in 1 pm, which will look like this (more or less):

You are guarded and cannot take night actions.
You are now a member of the Republican faction.
(I've got a fancier little story for that, but hey, this is an example )

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Jump Urlahn

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Orator – Republican
You're a man of learning and have been impeccably trained by the best orators the effeminate Greeks could offer. Your pleas bring tears to the eyes of the most hardened veteran, your condemnations make even lawyers shudder and your praise elevates even the most common of men to the station of gods.

Passive Power: Your words carry more weight than that of the average senator, and thus, your votes during lynches count double. This ability is affected by Guard abilities.

Tapper's Note:
We generally, on thread, only display the players who have voted and the required number of votes for lynch or night, but never the current accumulated number of votes. Vote count and players who have voted are 2 different things, after all.

Well, talk about a role that's good for the ego

Hmm, I'm already in a faction. I guess everybody (or almost) would be. But I don't know anybody else? We don't have a leader, or something? That's gonna make the first days a bit random, unless I'm missing something, which I usually am.

Glad you're pleased.
Everyone is in a faction, and no, you don't know anyone else. Caesar's body is still cooling down, no-one knows what side the others are on, or what plans they have... such things develop over time.
As for that making the first days random: seemingly so, yes .

I'm getting the hang of making randomly vague and infuriatingly shallow statements as P-S.

He replied with: 'et tu, Brute ' to the fineprint

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Drinks in Rashan:

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Thriumphator – Republican
You are a War Hero: a man of skill and virtue who has proven himself in countless campaigns and earned a Triumph. You aided in the murder against Caesar, for he overstepped his bounds, but now that the Julii and Brutii bicker, you see their ambition grow, and they may be no better than Caesar was.

Passive Powers: You have two bulletproofs to night kills, one lynch proof and one proof against recruitment. You will be informed of any attempts against you that expend these proofs.

Day Power: you can sacrifice a lynch proof and reveal yourself to perform a kill on a target alt. Night will then start immediately. Make sure you copy/paste this text into your reveal. This power is subject to the fact that you cannot reveal until the start of day 3!

Night Power: you can sacrifice a night kill bulletproof to perform a night-time Guard that blocks all abilities of an alt you send to the mods.

you gave me predator powers??

are you nuts

i assume lots of this to be in effect so will consolidate first. by recruitment then you went ahead with 3 recruiting cults. julli brutii and who i wonder?

ok, sleep it be, if i retain my lynch proof i can day kill from 3 on?

also what are the winning conditions, or should i read the thread i am republican on death yes?

Every high TDMI game needs a predator, as far as I'm concerned! Though instead of being a killer and invulnerable, you will be a limited guard/killer or invulnerable, one at the expense of the other. Whether or not I am nuts, we'll have to see
Since I have said in sign up that it would be three cults, I feel I can easily say that every faction is a cult, including Republicans...

And yes, if you don't get lynched, you can make one kill from day 3 onwards.
Winning conditions: eliminate all other factions.
As for Republican on death: yes, unless of course you are recruited by another faction

Enjoy your invulnerability

He's going for the safe route of lying low and using his powers. Don't know whether that's good or bad for the game, but I think it will be good for the Republican side.

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Jump Urlahn is a bit insecure but also planning for the future:

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One of my early quotes was from Caesar, I don't know if someone will pick it up or if I can use it later to "reveal" in a fraction I'm not in. Just planting stuff in case.

Man, not knowing even a single co-faction-er is unsettling, I have no clue what to do or what to look for. Also, with my two votes I better vote early otherwise if I hammer someone who is at L-2 I'm going to raise some serious eyebrows

Hmmm. Let's see if something happens once everyone is in.

I'm sure a latin-buff will pick it up... I must say, I suck at Latin, so didn't do so myself.
As for hammering... don't you think people will cry wolf (or fubar) to me if I post the lynch message when 10 have voted and 11 are seemingly needed, anyway? In the words of Venge: it's not if they cry fubar, it's when...

As for not knowing a co-faction-er: learn to cope with it... with 3 cults around, you can't trust alignments anyway for longer than a day
Also, I like speculation, so I did what I could to encourage it and cause more chaos that way.

[Path-Shaper]

Mockvin has a start for a gameplan, and some sound speculations. He´s the first , and I wonder if Bent will give him the chance to play it out, or will reveal him.

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Brutus – Brutii
You are Marcus Junius Brutus, and you are the saviour of the Roman Republic. You killed your friend, Caesar, because he was rapidly becoming a dictatorial tyrant. However, the siren song of absolute power is now rampaging through Caesar's followers, the Julii. It seems your work is not yet done. Once again, you need to convince your fellow senators that the Republic needs to be restored, and that you're the man to do it. Your opponents aren't just the Julii, though. The Pontifex is whispering of reconciliation between you and Marc Anthony, blind to the 7th Legion that Anthony is using to establish a stranglehold on Rome. Unless he is stopped now, he will conquer the city in spite of whatever treaty he signs.

Night Power: You're an influential man, and your whispers don't fall on deaf ears. Every night, you can recruit a player to your cause, making them a member of your faction. You win when your faction is the sole one remaining. Your recruited followers will learn the identity of your right hand man, Caius Cassius Longinus.

Hmm so I'm the leader and can recruit, interesting. I wonder how many people know who I am. I'm torn between going aggresive and seeing if anyone defends me and lets everyone in my team know who is who, or slinking around for a day or two and see how it develops.

My thinking is the secret to winning is finding out who else is on your team so you can work as a block, it tends to guide the voting if 4 or 5 are going that way, others tend to jump along. This way your close to sure too voting off opposition and the night actions won't effect the team.
Trouble is the leader needs to have pressure applied to them to achieve this
Since I can recruit and add to the team, I am actually too useful to expose. Damn you Tapper. Normally the leaders have shite actions.


Wonder if all leaders can recruit, I guess we must.

Well, there's a lot I can't comment on in this post, but I'll take credit for coming up with a role that forces you to think outside the regular book * beats chest * Brutus was a figurehead, and I wanted roles to be useful and/or fun to play. Figureheads should be the former

I'll watch with interest as to how you'll play.

[Path-Shaper]

First provisional, by Sir Korlat, and a question that has since been answered on topic:

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Provisionally, I'd like to convert Kaschan and Silanah to my cause.

Also, the more I think about this scenario, the more I think that the lynch mechanism isn't going to work all that well here. How do you point a finger at someone when there are no well defined "bad guys"? 'Scummy behaviour' can't be used as an excuse here...which will probably make people a lot more cautious to point fingers.

I suppose it depends on whether people pigeonhole the factions into Inno, Killer, Cult...from my vantage point it's Cult = Republicans, Killers = Brutii, Innos = Julii, but then that's because I'm going to be converting.

Anyway, enough musing for now...I'm trying to decide whether I want to put a sanitised version of my thoughts on the game thread or not.

ST/Korlat

PS. I went for Spanish in the end...

Maybe you just mean the division/pigeonholing as a personal way of observing stuff, but if not, I'll give you a freebie: all factions are cults and all cults are factions. I'll announce this on topic, as well, to make sure everyone knows.

Since it's last man standing, I'd say that one might wish to lynch everyone who's under the flag of another faction (although you could peacefully convert them, of course), but that's just me .

[Morgoth]

I want DiBs to be awfull, anoying, agressive and infuriating .. Ah well, this looks to be developing well

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Morgoth, on Jan 5 2009, 02:27 PM, said:

I want DiBs to be awfull, anoying, agressive and infuriating .. Ah well, this looks to be developing well

Hehe, if JA does some more prodding, he may explode.
And aye, the game is going according to expectation so far, although I would have loved if Bent had Gavin revealed on his first post... I've got the funeral speech from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar lined up for that occassion. Should be a real killer and wtf moment.

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More by Gavin.

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Well, there's a lot I can't comment on in this post, but I'll take credit for coming up with a role that forces you to think outside the regular book * beats chest * Brutus was a figurehead, and I wanted roles to be useful and/or fun to play. Figureheads should be the former

I'll watch with interest as to how you'll play.

I wasn't expecting comments, that was just my musing on my role But glad you cleared it up so we're all Mercs and Cults. Makes me rethink my plans. They not know who I am to start with or they will be recruited and can mention i'm leader. Will try to aim for low to mid level posting I think.

It's the early stages of the game, and we've all seen in the past how misunderstanding the game can go horribly wrong and may lead to some angry reactions afterwards... this game very much has the same potential at every stage, so I like to keep in touch with people who PM me and take away misconceptions - unless I think they'll improve the quality of the game

[Path-Shaper]

Benter is pleased and puzzled:

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Well, I certainly have a cool role. For that I thank you. Now what the hell to do with it. The whole day action, where i get to call out Brutus is unusual and I feel it may be a good thing, leaves me a bit speechless. I of course assume that Octavious has a similar action. Maybe not exactly the same, but surely something similar. I may wait a while to use it, but if I ever get close to a lynch, I'll do it to draw away the attention from me. Also, my night action provisional will be recruit Ampelas, hopefully they arent posting for a reason, and that reason will help my cause. More to come later.

Happy you like the role! Now go out and do stuff
As for the call out: sure, it's unorthodox, it may be a good thing, it may not be a good thing... I guess we'll find out when you use it
Provisional is noted. Looking forward to hearing more.

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Shadowalist is discussing mechanics. I felt it was oki to talk about faction size, seeing how he knows the size of his own faction, anyway.

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Serc is also of the Brutii faction.

i'm assuming that's an addition of another player joining late....gives ideas as to who they may be, (it's AceHunter, isn't it? ISN'T IT???????)

Hahahaha. If it is the late addition and not a pre-game recruit, there's 50% chance that you're wrong .
I'm not saying anything at all .

, if by the end of the day he's only got 3 posts, I'll know that it's him anyhow...

We'll see

hmm
well, we have 20 people playing, and 4 of them are in my faction
this makes me think that not all the players have a faction yet, and some must still be recruited (a la Heroes).
if that's true, I can't bring up ideas like that, b/c then they'll lynch me for being in a faction

sigh, guess I'm consigned to lurking for a day, because if I start discussing game mechanics, I'm sure they'll kill me...

Every player is a member of one the three factions. And yes, yours has only 4 players, so that means that one or the other two are bigger, but TDMI 9 allows uneven factions

[Vengeance]

Looks like the game is going well. I want JA make Dibs explode too. I am really looking forward to seeing how Morgoth45 and the rest of the (so called) newbs play.

This post has been edited by Vengeance: 05 January 2009 - 02:54 PM

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Bent with a lot of questions. I answered fair and square since he can't communicate with people, anyway, and deserves to know that Octavian is a member of his faction, and out to see him dead. I hope he'll start to feel paranoid

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Well, I certainly have a cool role. For that I thank you. Now what the hell to do with it. The whole day action, where i get to call out Brutus is unusual and I feel it may be a good thing, leaves me a bit speechless. I of course assume that Octavious has a similar action. Maybe not exactly the same, but surely something similar. I may wait a while to use it, but if I ever get close to a lynch, I'll do it to draw away the attention from me. Also, my night action provisional will be recruit Ampelas, hopefully they arent posting for a reason, and that reason will help my cause. More to come later.

Happy you like the role! Now go out and do stuff
As for the call out: sure, it's unorthodox, it may be a good thing, it may not be a good thing... I guess we'll find out when you use it
Provisional is noted. Looking forward to hearing more.

A couple of quick questions.
1. Do I already have any recruits?
2. Can you clarify the factions a bit. I assume I am the leader of the republics, is this correct. If so,
2a. Is Octavius the leader of the Julii or the Brutii. I assume he is the leader of the Julii if this is correct that leaves Brutus as the leader of the Brutii, so 3 factions recruiting? Can you let me know if this is correct.
3. If I use the day power, doesn't this directly go against the no revealing for 2 days rule?
4. Will all my recruits be given my name, or will they onl get the name of the last recruited person.
5. If I die, does leadership pass to the highest ranking person I have recruited. If so, will they gain the Day power if I haven't used it?
6. Will I be informed if I recruit a person, if they are recruited away from me.

These may or may not have alredy been explained somewhere, if so, sorry, I missed them.

No problem at all, questions deserve answers . Here are the answers, for as much as I can give them.

1. There is at the least 1 more member of your faction around (Octavianus), that's all I can confirm right now, sorry.
1a. You never get to know how many as per your role, and you'll never be informed if your recruitments are succesful.
2. You are the faction leader of the Julii.
2a. Octavianus is also a member of the Julii, and your rival for the position of faction leader. Only one of you can live and win at the end of the game.
2b. Brutus is indeed a member of the Brutii. I can't confirm if he is leader, recruiter of whatever, that would be against the game balance and would give you a better idea of what exactly the advantage of your day ability is. It's powerful enough as it is.
2c. The Republicans have their own recruiter.
3. No, you reveal someone else, not yourself, so it's perfectly legal. Nor do you have to reveal for it, so you're safe to use it.
4. They will get the name of the last recruited person. If there is no recruit, they will learn the identity of an unrecruitable Julii player, but never Octavian while you live. If you are the only unrecruitable Julii player (outside of Octavianus), they will learn your name.
5. Well, I doubt this will break the game if I tell you. No, and no. There are no ranks, everyone is roled. People keep their role & abilities when recruited. There are sometimes changes in roles, but these are documented in SH.
6. No and no.

I've been playing with who receives what information a lot while creating the game. The end result is that no-one's going to know exactly what he/she wants to know

Hope this helps, if you have further questions, please ask.