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<things with 1 open sentence in between>.

I really do wish he would realize that he doesn't have to have a space between all of his sentences. His papers for school must be brutal to read...

Vengeance

double-spacing is mandatory
we lose marks if we don't

Seriously?
Wow. I'd get deductions if I did when still in uni.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 11 January 2009 - 08:03 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Modding, by the way, is detrimental to having regular feeding patterns.
I'll be away for a bit while I make me some instant soup and get some bread... seeing how it's waay past dinnertime anyway and I have no wish to spend some time cleaning sprouts.

[Shadow]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 10 2009, 05:32 PM, said:

Serc, now not saving Mockra. Seems we have #the game's first night kill after all.

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Um...if it's alright with you, can I change my BP to Shadow instead?

Yes you can.

DAMMMIT!!!!!!!!!!

WHY??????????

[Tapper]

That was my thought as well. I was really, really disappointed by it.

[Shadow]

FUCK, FUCK, FUCK!!!!!


if Brtus lived, he'd have been lynched and then i'd at lest have gotten a recruit/kill in


FUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Path-Shaper]

Shadow, on Jan 11 2009, 09:20 PM, said:

FUCK, FUCK, FUCK!!!!!


if Brtus lived, he'd have been lynched and then i'd at lest have gotten a recruit/kill in


FUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah.
Did you see where he was blocked by Korlat on night 3?
Had Gem been alive, Korlat would have lost his BP, be exposed and the game would have been decided between you and the Julii.

[Shadow]

fuck, i agree with Gavin--we were screwed from the start
and the gam egavin brings up--that was my game, and there you weren't supposed to be revealed, Obdi jumped the gun with his vig and stuff got confusing--you were supposed to die, but you weren't supposed to be revealed.

here, however, too much was dependant on a single player--in this case Cassius. if Cassius was a subject of a day 1 lynch (and with me the only one knowing him, it'd be possible), we were still fucked.

the very least in case like this, you make ALL the powers pass down to the last member--so, Serc should get all of those bonus powers if I die, etc. it's the only real way to balance this.

and I will never shut up about how one faction having a lynching majority from the start is overkill.

[Shadow]

Also, to JA's moaning about me playing as a Brutii--I have no regrets about it, my thought process outlives this. I knew reps had more people, didn't know how much more.

if the Julii would stop for a fucking minute and think, then it would've become obvious that Reps were the common threat, not us.
i was playing to that extent, trying to show that aside from Brutus we were harmless (and we were, untill Brutus died). If Cicero got my original powers PM, my strategy would've worked, b/c then i'd have more weight.

we got seriously fucked by the circumstances, and the overreliance on Cassius to be team saviour was clearly a poor idea on the Mods' part. Interesting, I won't deny. But nonetheless, poorly planned out.

[Shadow]

oh and for me talking on day 1--i can't not talk, if I have the time. If I don't talk, I may as well not play.

[Path-Shaper]

Shadow, on Jan 11 2009, 08:25 PM, said:

fuck, i agree with Gavin--we were screwed from the start
and the gam egavin brings up--that was my game, and there you weren't supposed to be revealed, Obdi jumped the gun with his vig and stuff got confusing--you were supposed to die, but you weren't supposed to be revealed.

here, however, too much was dependant on a single player--in this case Cassius. if Cassius was a subject of a day 1 lynch (and with me the only one knowing him, it'd be possible), we were still fucked.

the very least in case like this, you make ALL the powers pass down to the last member--so, Serc should get all of those bonus powers if I die, etc. it's the only real way to balance this.

and I will never shut up about how one faction having a lynching majority from the start is overkill.

I disagree... We balanced it by having no reveal for the first 3 days. In the scenarios that we ran by the time the reveals happened the majority would have been split more. The balance was fine. Perhaps we should have handled the drop down better for when Gem was modkilled. But I think overall the balance was good.

[Path-Shaper]

Shadow, on Jan 11 2009, 08:30 PM, said:

Also, to JA's moaning about me playing as a Brutii--I have no regrets about it, my thought process outlives this. I knew reps had more people, didn't know how much more.

if the Julii would stop for a fucking minute and think, then it would've become obvious that Reps were the common threat, not us.
i was playing to that extent, trying to show that aside from Brutus we were harmless (and we were, untill Brutus died). If Cicero got my original powers PM, my strategy would've worked, b/c then i'd have more weight.

we got seriously fucked by the circumstances, and the overreliance on Cassius to be team saviour was clearly a poor idea on the Mods' part. Interesting, I won't deny. But nonetheless, poorly planned out.

Cassius was Gem and she is usually a strong player. Circumstances were more to blame for that then the balance. The roles were not totally random when they were given out. We were trying to balance things out so that it would play well. Anyway I am off to get a bite to eat myself...


Vengeance

So Mental you still willing to play Aliens 2

[Path-Shaper]

Shadow, on Jan 11 2009, 08:30 PM, said:

Also, to JA's moaning about me playing as a Brutii--I have no regrets about it, my thought process outlives this. I knew reps had more people, didn't know how much more.

if the Julii would stop for a fucking minute and think, then it would've become obvious that Reps were the common threat, not us.
i was playing to that extent, trying to show that aside from Brutus we were harmless (and we were, untill Brutus died). If Cicero got my original powers PM, my strategy would've worked, b/c then i'd have more weight.

we got seriously fucked by the circumstances, and the overreliance on Cassius to be team saviour was clearly a poor idea on the Mods' part. Interesting, I won't deny. But nonetheless, poorly planned out.

In hindsight, I agree that the Brutii really depended on two people, and overly much, especially in this scenario.
It's stuff like that that you don't really catch when making scenarios...
but the same can be said for other fuck-ups and misunderstandings in a high TMDI game.

The ability Longinus had is way too interesting to risk by high/ confrontational posting, so you think that someone will be careful and hiding in the mass, not inviting a lynch/interest - it is a good tactic for Casca, though. It just bit you in the manly parts later on when there was no right-hand man. Overall, I agree with Venge that on paper, it definately looked good and workable.

And yes, Julii should have realized that the Brutii weren't the danger.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 11 January 2009 - 08:41 PM

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Path-Shaper, on Jan 11 2009, 08:36 PM, said:

Shadow, on Jan 11 2009, 08:25 PM, said:

fuck, i agree with Gavin--we were screwed from the start
and the gam egavin brings up--that was my game, and there you weren't supposed to be revealed, Obdi jumped the gun with his vig and stuff got confusing--you were supposed to die, but you weren't supposed to be revealed.

here, however, too much was dependant on a single player--in this case Cassius. if Cassius was a subject of a day 1 lynch (and with me the only one knowing him, it'd be possible), we were still fucked.

the very least in case like this, you make ALL the powers pass down to the last member--so, Serc should get all of those bonus powers if I die, etc. it's the only real way to balance this.

and I will never shut up about how one faction having a lynching majority from the start is overkill.

I disagree... We balanced it by having no reveal for the first 3 days. In the scenarios that we ran by the time the reveals happened the majority would have been split more. The balance was fine. Perhaps we should have handled the drop down better for when Gem was modkilled. But I think overall the balance was good.

Not to mention that I personally was completely freaked out by there being no NKs.

[Mentalist]

once again, it's the general problem with high TMDI games--you over-rely on one character.
yes, Gem is a solid player.
but no one is safe from a Day 1 lynch. EVER

did any of your scenarious involve a day 1 Cassius lynch?

the whole point of "balance" is so that even if a team loses their super-ultimate role due to something unforeseeable, the team still has a fighting chance.

also, this was clearly my mistake, but I made certain assumptions about out faction
1) I assumed brutus and Cassius would know each other--not a big stretch of imagination, that.
2) I assumed Brutus would know if his recruit'd succeed.

based on that, i wrote my PMs.

[Mentalist]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 11 2009, 03:39 PM, said:

Shadow, on Jan 11 2009, 08:30 PM, said:

Also, to JA's moaning about me playing as a Brutii--I have no regrets about it, my thought process outlives this. I knew reps had more people, didn't know how much more.

if the Julii would stop for a fucking minute and think, then it would've become obvious that Reps were the common threat, not us.
i was playing to that extent, trying to show that aside from Brutus we were harmless (and we were, untill Brutus died). If Cicero got my original powers PM, my strategy would've worked, b/c then i'd have more weight.

we got seriously fucked by the circumstances, and the overreliance on Cassius to be team saviour was clearly a poor idea on the Mods' part. Interesting, I won't deny. But nonetheless, poorly planned out.

In hindsight, I agree that the Brutii really depended on two people, and overly much, especially in this scenario.
It's stuff like that that you don't really catch when making scenarios...
but the same can be said for other fuck-ups and misunderstandings in a high TMDI game.

The ability Longinus had is way too interesting to risk by high/ confrontational posting, so you think that someone will be careful and hiding in the mass, not inviting a lynch/interest - it is a good tactic for Casca, though. It just bit you in the manly parts later on when there was no right-hand man. Overall, I agree with Venge that on paper, it definately looked good and workable.

And yes, Julii should have realized that the Brutii weren't the danger.

well, you have to keep in mind, I had no clue what was coming with the MA reveal.
as a counter/messenger boy, it would be good for me to be public
1) I could build up trust--ffs, some reps thought I was their leader!
2) if we got into a Brutii hunt, I could be sacrificed readily to keep the recruiter alive for another day
3) As a counter, i could feed them the numbers, sometimes inflated, trying to turn mobs to the highest numbered faction.

if Gem was alive, I'd have been able to play my role perfectly.
alas, you givving me her power , and you giving Cicero an extra find was death.

fuck, were I awake earlier, i'd have pasted my first role PM to spare Grief the trouble....

[Path-Shaper]

Mentalist, on Jan 11 2009, 08:43 PM, said:

once again, it's the general problem with high TMDI games--you over-rely on one character.
yes, Gem is a solid player.
but no one is safe from a Day 1 lynch. EVER

did any of your scenarious involve a day 1 Cassius lynch?

the whole point of "balance" is so that even if a team loses their super-ultimate role due to something unforeseeable, the team still has a fighting chance.

also, this was clearly my mistake, but I made certain assumptions about out faction
1) I assumed brutus and Cassius would know each other--not a big stretch of imagination, that.
2) I assumed Brutus would know if his recruit'd succeed.

based on that, i wrote my PMs.

I'll agree that 1) and 2) are generally universal laws - hence why I broke them
Every faction had a counter, with Brutii and Julii being the ones who knew who was on their team.
Brutii could communicate it, Julii had a chain of command that was easier to wield, with everyone (in theory) following Longinus.

But Cassius lynched... not in any scenario I did, I'll admit that.
There just is no logical reason for anyone with a role like that to get lynched. The role could comfortably deny knowledge of the playing field, like every other alt, so no 'I have too much info slips'.
Only being Cicero'd, and he'd kill Cicero.
Aside from the Brutii needing a fix, any other thoughts?

[Mentalist]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 11 2009, 03:39 PM, said:

Shadow, on Jan 11 2009, 08:30 PM, said:

Also, to JA's moaning about me playing as a Brutii--I have no regrets about it, my thought process outlives this. I knew reps had more people, didn't know how much more.

if the Julii would stop for a fucking minute and think, then it would've become obvious that Reps were the common threat, not us.
i was playing to that extent, trying to show that aside from Brutus we were harmless (and we were, untill Brutus died). If Cicero got my original powers PM, my strategy would've worked, b/c then i'd have more weight.

we got seriously fucked by the circumstances, and the overreliance on Cassius to be team saviour was clearly a poor idea on the Mods' part. Interesting, I won't deny. But nonetheless, poorly planned out.

In hindsight, I agree that the Brutii really depended on two people, and overly much, especially in this scenario.
It's stuff like that that you don't really catch when making scenarios...
but the same can be said for other fuck-ups and misunderstandings in a high TMDI game.

The ability Longinus had is way too interesting to risk by high/ confrontational posting, so you think that someone will be careful and hiding in the mass, not inviting a lynch/interest - it is a good tactic for Casca, though. It just bit you in the manly parts later on when there was no right-hand man. Overall, I agree with Venge that on paper, it definately looked good and workable.

And yes, Julii should have realized that the Brutii weren't the danger.

bottom line--you should've given Cassius powers to Serc,

[Mentalist]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 11 2009, 03:49 PM, said:

Mentalist, on Jan 11 2009, 08:43 PM, said:

once again, it's the general problem with high TMDI games--you over-rely on one character.
yes, Gem is a solid player.
but no one is safe from a Day 1 lynch. EVER

did any of your scenarious involve a day 1 Cassius lynch?

the whole point of "balance" is so that even if a team loses their super-ultimate role due to something unforeseeable, the team still has a fighting chance.

also, this was clearly my mistake, but I made certain assumptions about out faction
1) I assumed brutus and Cassius would know each other--not a big stretch of imagination, that.
2) I assumed Brutus would know if his recruit'd succeed.

based on that, i wrote my PMs.

I'll agree that 1) and 2) are generally universal laws - hence why I broke them
Every faction had a counter, with Brutii and Julii being the ones who knew who was on their team.
Brutii could communicate it, Julii had a chain of command that was easier to wield, with everyone (in theory) following Longinus.

But Cassius lynched... not in any scenario I did, I'll admit that.
There just is no logical reason for anyone with a role like that to get lynched. The role could comfortably deny knowledge of the playing field, like every other alt, so no 'I have too much info slips'.
Only being Cicero'd, and he'd kill Cicero.
Aside from the Brutii needing a fix, any other thoughts?

giving Cicero another find was a mistake, imho

2 finds allowed him do exactly what needed to be done--get the leaders out in the open. Grief played brilliantly, living up to his title, but the third find was overkill
Rashan's power--no, seriously.
why?

I don't care that it was DiBs, he wasn't nearly as bad as in the last Merc game where we lynched him day 1, but anyone with a lot of BPs is overkill as far as i'm concerned.
yes, reps were hamstrung by lack of any coordination, but they had a LOT of extra power. if we didn't get praetors, it'd have been even worse.

[Mentalist]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 11 2009, 03:38 PM, said:

So Mental you still willing to play Aliens 2

if i'm the predator who gets infected night 1

and if someone else writes the victory conditions,

[Path-Shaper]

Mentalist, on Jan 11 2009, 08:48 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jan 11 2009, 03:39 PM, said:

Shadow, on Jan 11 2009, 08:30 PM, said:

Also, to JA's moaning about me playing as a Brutii--I have no regrets about it, my thought process outlives this. I knew reps had more people, didn't know how much more.

if the Julii would stop for a fucking minute and think, then it would've become obvious that Reps were the common threat, not us.
i was playing to that extent, trying to show that aside from Brutus we were harmless (and we were, untill Brutus died). If Cicero got my original powers PM, my strategy would've worked, b/c then i'd have more weight.

we got seriously fucked by the circumstances, and the overreliance on Cassius to be team saviour was clearly a poor idea on the Mods' part. Interesting, I won't deny. But nonetheless, poorly planned out.

In hindsight, I agree that the Brutii really depended on two people, and overly much, especially in this scenario.
It's stuff like that that you don't really catch when making scenarios...
but the same can be said for other fuck-ups and misunderstandings in a high TMDI game.

The ability Longinus had is way too interesting to risk by high/ confrontational posting, so you think that someone will be careful and hiding in the mass, not inviting a lynch/interest - it is a good tactic for Casca, though. It just bit you in the manly parts later on when there was no right-hand man. Overall, I agree with Venge that on paper, it definately looked good and workable.

And yes, Julii should have realized that the Brutii weren't the danger.

well, you have to keep in mind, I had no clue what was coming with the MA reveal.
as a counter/messenger boy, it would be good for me to be public
1) I could build up trust--ffs, some reps thought I was their leader!
2) if we got into a Brutii hunt, I could be sacrificed readily to keep the recruiter alive for another day
3) As a counter, i could feed them the numbers, sometimes inflated, trying to turn mobs to the highest numbered faction.

if Gem was alive, I'd have been able to play my role perfectly.
alas, you givving me her power , and you giving Cicero an extra find was death.

fuck, were I awake earlier, i'd have pasted my first role PM to spare Grief the trouble....

That's true, and I agree with the Gem-being-alive part. The over-reliance on one player screwed with your faction, but to be honest, I think that if she were alive and the lynch/kill pattern being the same, Brutii would be far removed from not standing a chance. Anyways, that's all ifs and buts now.

I knew it could very well end in ways I never imagined when I launched the game, there's a lot of variables and several of them are human. I went through many single crazy circumstances that the abilities could result in, and had most of them covered (only then to be bitten in the ass by the difference of less than 2 and more than 2 in Brutus' secret revenge mechanic.

I decided to go ahead with it and leave things as they were, cause I figured it would be interesting and amusing. To me, things were pretty even, although (see the start of the topic) I thought the Brutii maybe lagged a tiny bit. Look at the Heroes game... we all had fun, but powerlevels & differences were staggering. In the end, I just hope you had a fun time, despite the flaws.


I still think the set-up, including the majority of the republic, wasn't necessarily bad. Maybe calculating the people in, that I could have done better, but during distribution, I went for reliable - giving the new players an easier role, the veterans drawn from a pool for the harder ones.

As for me, I can learn from this for a future game .