[Chance]

Battalion, on Nov 26 2008, 02:23 PM, said:

Let me get this straight ... your opinions about a book are more valid than someone elses?

Never said anything of the kind if it reads like that it was not the intention

Battalion, on Nov 26 2008, 02:23 PM, said:

You think a book is good, Black Company or aSoIaF, for example, so they must be, coz you said so and you know better. You think PoN or SoT are pants so they must be too? Give me a break.

I was trying to pick out two popular books who have a large following but where no one or few attack people who think its crap...aSoIaF is far from what I consider good after the first two-three books

Battalion, on Nov 26 2008, 02:23 PM, said:

You think PoN or SoT are pants so they must be too? Give me a break.

Well not going into the PoN being good or bad again there is a long fine thread somewhere on this forum about that and its quite obvious there are two irreconcilable sides to that discussion. But at least on this forum I know a few people who agree about SoT...

Hope I never said my opinion is more valid in any way, its the strange need to defend the series I tried to critizise...it is just a fantasy novel not a religious or philosophic cornerstone


/Chance...who ain't going to continue a pointless debate further but was slightly afraid of being missinterpreted...

Ps: I am seriously considering reading the last part of PoN to get closure

This post has been edited by Chance: 26 November 2008 - 03:23 PM

[Cause]

The Drum, on Nov 26 2008, 02:32 AM, said:

I can't believe nobody's yet to mention GRRM's A SONG OF ICA AND MANURE. I hate those books, nothing happens and anyone you start to like gets killed off! and before anyone says you've got to stick with or some crap, I read the first three books (yes' I'm sick in the head) and nothing you're gonna say will change my mind! (so na na na na na)

Please tell me your joking?

@Chance-Im pretty sure tyrant lizard was messing with you. He was not being serious about you not understanding.

Okay I guess its my turn to take some flak so I probally should not have said what I did to the drum. We each have our opinions. But I seriously cant understand the love for acecrombies series. Is it the truth of law or something?

[Macros]

I'm talking about the eragon books Bent, not asoif,
Bent FAILS

[Bent]

Macros, on Nov 26 2008, 10:25 AM, said:

I'm talking about the eragon books Bent, not asoif,
Bent FAILS

Doh!

[stone monkey]

So much bile!

I loathe Mickey Zucher Reichart's Last of the Renshai series with a passion bordering on the religious.

And The Darkness That Comes Before served especially well at putting me off The Prince of Nothing - fyi I do get the philosophy and find it neither big nor clever.

[zwinders71]

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I hate this series SO MUCH. Why? Because it could have been awesome. It SHOULD have been awesome. The concepts are brilliant, the characters are interesting.... but oh my sweet weeping god, the plot and characterization and writing in general are just CRAPTASTIC. I hate hate hate to see such wasted potential. I made it thru three books on sheer frustration.
[/quote]

Forgot this one the first four I worked through but the new ones about Garbons son is crap. I agree it should have been awesome. the endowments was a cool touch and Raj Athea (sp?) could have be a Rake like character. In anothers hands this would have been a great series.

[frookenhauer]

Sooo...What we've learned here is that somebody, somewhere, or here is likely to hate that which you love, or vice versa. I Am Not Dolores Menhir, Yet I Think...

If I haven't said it before Terry Goodkind needs to be set on fire by a flamethrower held by Jesus

Other than that...

[detritus]

I do agree that no ones opinion is less important than mine, or that mine is right simply because I say so, with the BIG exception to Goodkind.....Urp!.... oh jeeze I just puked a bit. That series is pure shit. If a shit took a shit and that shit ate shit, then threw it up. and that vomit wrote a book then youd have Goodkind's...Urp!...damn did it again series.
Shame on him.

[Epiph]

zwinders71, on Nov 25 2008, 07:01 PM, said:

Harry Potter and pretty much any young adults stuff. No more listening to friends when it comes to these.

Really? I love YA stuff. I find that a lot of the time the simpler language produces generally better written and edited books, and those that aren't very well written or edited or a formulaic, I can more easily forgive because, well, they're for a younger set. Adult fantasy authors who write like Jordan and Goodkind make me want to strangle things, but YA fantasy authors who write like that (ahem, Tamora Pierce), I can sort of forgive.

[Macros]

frookenhauer, on Nov 26 2008, 03:48 PM, said:

If I haven't said it before Terry Goodkind needs to be set on fire by a flamethrower held by Jesus

thankfully that has already happened

ETA:

one thing that really [pissed me off about the runelords series:

Spoiler

if the main character, i forget his name, gains so much stamina that he can heal wounds instantly, why does he age so fast?
think about, surely that should combat the enhanced ageing he gets from taking all that extra spped on
and really, he shouldnt be able to converse with or interact with the world in general at his purported strenghth.
sillyness

This post has been edited by Macros: 26 November 2008 - 05:51 PM

[Abyss]

it was explained as something to do with endowments of, i dunno, vitality or fortitude or something. I thought the endowment system was extremely clever, things like certain endowments cutting your lifespan in half, or how an unbalanced set of endowments could cripple someone were very well thought out. Too bad the books were shitehoused.


- Abyss, argh.

[The Tyrant Lizard]

I got halfway through the first book. I thought the ideas were brilliant, but the writing was shit. I was thoroughly underwhelmed by it.
But if the endowments half the life span, what of those who've taken hundreds of speed ones? why dont they just keel over?

[Stalker]

My worst series pick is sci-fi and may get some hate but... its Dune. The first book was good but after that it turned boring and stands as one of the few series that I have started and never finished. Not that is appears to end as the son and his friend write a new one every so often to cash in on this cow. Stop the Pain!

[detritus]

Stalker, on Nov 26 2008, 09:51 PM, said:

My worst series pick is sci-fi and may get some hate but... its Dune. The first book was good but after that it turned boring and stands as one of the few series that I have started and never finished. Not that is appears to end as the son and his friend write a new one every so often to cash in on this cow. Stop the Pain!

Did not see that coming. Dune is bad to the bone. The stuff Frank wrote is goodness. His sons stuff...not so much

[Use Of Weapons]

Not all YA stuff is terrible. Terry Pratchett's Tiffany Aching novels are fantastic, wordplay at its finest! And Scott Westerfeld (of _The Risen Empire_ fame) wrote a series of YA novels, the 'Midnighter' series, which is good, dark YA fantasy.

[Lisheo]

I'm quite a big fan of Garth Nix's Old Kingdom/Abhorsen trilogy, if we're going to bring up YA. Read em when I was oh, must have been 12/13, and I still think highly of them.
Tried to get the 13 year old sister to read them, but she's off reading Jaqueline Wilson and Eragon, and hated them because they were "too weird"... What's become of the people in the world?!

[Hinter]

Stalker, on Nov 26 2008, 08:51 PM, said:

My worst series pick is sci-fi and may get some hate but... its Dune. The first book was good but after that it turned boring and stands as one of the few series that I have started and never finished. Not that is appears to end as the son and his friend write a new one every so often to cash in on this cow. Stop the Pain!

I completely agree. First one great, but I've tried reading the rest a few times and lose interest three or four books in.

[Fist Gamet]

I agree that Goodkind's SoT was one of the worst things to ever happen to fantasy...or...well, to ever happen really. Not one single redeeming point can I find, nor could I even bring myself to lie about were I paid. It is precisely the kind of writing that turns people away from Fantasy and allows it to be mocked.
Second place for me goes to Feist...Magician was good but sadly it was the very peak of his work and things got rapidly, not steadily, but rapidly worse after that. The very worst book I ever attempted was The Rise of The Merchant Prince...Gods I feel dirty just writing that name. If there was cliche, he found it and made it worse, if there was a ridiculously over-used idea that had already been beated to death, he lifted its ugly, bloodied maw and tried to breath some life back into, only succeeding in vomitting all over it again...

I would never put Jordan in this list because, despite the many faults we have all read about time and again, Eye of The World remains, for me, one of the very best books I have ever read.

[Dr Trouble]

Fist Gamet, on Nov 28 2008, 12:22 AM, said:

I agree that Goodkind's SoT was one of the worst things to ever happen to fantasy...or...well, to ever happen really. Not one single redeeming point can I find, nor could I even bring myself to lie about were I paid. It is precisely the kind of writing that turns people away from Fantasy and allows it to be mocked.
Second place for me goes to Feist...Magician was good but sadly it was the very peak of his work and things got rapidly, not steadily, but rapidly worse after that. The very worst book I ever attempted was The Rise of The Merchant Prince...Gods I feel dirty just writing that name. If there was cliche, he found it and made it worse, if there was a ridiculously over-used idea that had already been beated to death, he lifted its ugly, bloodied maw and tried to breath some life back into, only succeeding in vomitting all over it again...

I would never put Jordan in this list because, despite the many faults we have all read about time and again, Eye of The World remains, for me, one of the very best books I have ever read.

Whoa whoa whoa. I 100% disagree. Especially on The Rise of the Merchant Prince point. Raymond tried something new with that book, and although it wasn't a complete success. Atleast he tried to do something.

[Lisheo]

I personally think Feist was good until after Shards of a Broken Crown. I enjoyed everything up till then.

Then his talon series started, the Kaspar book was enjoyable though.

But the Darkwar is sheer and utter crap.

And Paolini and Eragon, that series makes my eyes bleed, almost as bad as Goodkind.