[frookenhauer]

 caladanbrood, on Nov 25 2008, 06:29 PM, said:

Robin Hobb's Assassin's Blah Blah Blah.

It's like death by mulched forest.

What, what, what? I thought the first two were great and 'twould have been better if bitchface had died after that...

And Anything by Eric van Gutenabend needs burning.

[Cougar]

I'm just gonna say before this gets out of hand if you go into a thread about shit books/series don't get upset if someone is slagging off your favorite writer.

I haven't finished PoN so for me the jury is out.

Chance you are asking for it if you say that the reason people read something is because they want to massage their egos especially when it's something so manifestly uncool as fanatasy, I mean I'd understand you point if it was Proust or Kierkegaard but it's Bakker, it's not like hordes of pseudo intellectual French nihilists are sitting on the left bank sipping espresso and reading Bakker to look cool.

Terez hasn't even posted on the WoT yet, I'll be watching though.

For me it's close between the Mallorean and Sara Douglas' Axis, I'm gonna have to go with the Mallorean though cos it's just the same bastard series [as the Belgariad] again

[The Drum]

I can't believe nobody's yet to mention GRRM's A SONG OF ICA AND MANURE. I hate those books, nothing happens and anyone you start to like gets killed off! and before anyone says you've got to stick with or some crap, I read the first three books (yes' I'm sick in the head) and nothing you're gonna say will change my mind! (so na na na na na)

[zwinders71]

There has been only two fantasy series that I coulnt finish:

The Cronicles of Thomas Covenant by Donaldson.
Know alot of people love it so I might give it another chance but half way through I was bored out of my skull by it. Might have been in the wrong mood at the time I read it. Loved Mordants Need though.

Otherland by Williams
Horrable read. Again bored completly by this one. Really I havnt read anything by Williams that I liked so it might just be his style that puts me off.


Series that I read that I wont read again (I usally read a book at least a couple times)

The Dragonbone Chair by Williams
Anything by Terry Brooks although I do kinda like this last set he put out because of the end of the world theme.
Harry Potter and pretty much any young adults stuff. No more listening to friends when it comes to these.
Finished Sword of Truth while I dont have the hate that most people on this board have for it I wont read it again.

[detritus]

 The Drum, on Nov 26 2008, 01:32 AM, said:

I can't believe nobody's yet to mention GRRM's A SONG OF ICA AND MANURE. I hate those books, nothing happens and anyone you start to like gets killed off! and before anyone says you've got to stick with or some crap, I read the first three books (yes' I'm sick in the head) and nothing you're gonna say will change my mind! (so na na na na na)

Ouch...that one kinda hurts. aSoIaF is my favorite series of all time.
But, thats what I started this thread for, to get stuff like that out there.

For me I cant think of a book series where more happens per book, and I personally love that anyone can go at any time. That feeling of uncertanty and anything can happen really adds to the suspense when someone does find themselves in danger. I loooooove slasher films, but I dont like my books to share that "I know who is going to live and die, and I can tell you the order its going to happen" aspect they have. I also would certanly not say you have to stick with them. Its a series thats gets you by the short and curlies from the start.

[Battalion]

I got to agree with Bent, Black Company was poo.

[The Drum]

 mandog, on Nov 26 2008, 01:10 AM, said:

 The Drum, on Nov 26 2008, 01:32 AM, said:

I can't believe nobody's yet to mention GRRM's A SONG OF ICA AND MANURE. I hate those books, nothing happens and anyone you start to like gets killed off! and before anyone says you've got to stick with or some crap, I read the first three books (yes' I'm sick in the head) and nothing you're gonna say will change my mind! (so na na na na na)

Ouch...that one kinda hurts. aSoIaF is my favorite series of all time.
But, thats what I started this thread for, to get stuff like that out there.

For me I cant think of a book series where more happens per book, and I personally love that anyone can go at any time. That feeling of uncertanty and anything can happen really adds to the suspense when someone does find themselves in danger. I loooooove slasher films, but I dont like my books to share that "I know who is going to live and die, and I can tell you the order its going to happen" aspect they have. I also would certanly not say you have to stick with them. Its a series thats gets you by the short and curlies from the start.

To me, there was just way too much pointless description, it's been a while since i read them but i'm sure i can remember (possibly) 3 kids taking a journey from north to south to get to somewhere and the whole trip lasted for ever, I remember the little girl stopping to look a flowers or some crap and I thought what was the point of it!

[Chance]

I wasn't going to reply but its too much fun

 Cougar, on Nov 25 2008, 11:12 PM, said:

Chance you are asking for it if you say that the reason people read something is because they want to massage their egos especially when it's something so manifestly uncool as fanatasy, I mean I'd understand you point if it was Proust or Kierkegaard but it's Bakker, it's not like hordes of pseudo intellectual French nihilists are sitting on the left bank sipping espresso and reading Bakker to look cool.

I know a lot of people consider PoN something of master piece, but listen to the replies in this thread not just the ones about the PoN. Think for a moment about it, we love to say we read the best/most complex/most breath taking fantasy even if its something as uncool as fantasy.

About the PoN defenders not being "like hordes of pseudo intellectual French nihilists are sitting on the left bank sipping espresso" well they are, if I had bashed anything good say Black Company or Song of Ice and Fire well no problem but PoN immidiatly at least one rabid defender its nearly Goodkindesque. Like goodkind fans they tend to bring up understanding in their topics, like the PoN books was some kind of well...something difficult...live with it its a fantasy novel...

 The Tyrant Lizard, on Nov 25 2008, 07:58 PM, said:

I cannot stand aside and listen to PoN be derided. I know the philosophy was brow beating from thime to time, but come on. I stop short of saying 'you didnt like it beause you didnt understand it' because I fucking hate patronising people who say that. So what I will say is this, 'you probably didnt understand it, so that's why you didnt like it.'

Thank you for proving my point



/Chance...who very well understand the concept of deeper themes but must say if you like them to dominate your fantasy litrature well good for you not my cup of tea...

This post has been edited by Chance: 26 November 2008 - 09:32 AM

[The Tyrant Lizard]

I try my best

[Use Of Weapons]

I am aghast.

Sharon Green's series 'The Blending' is worse than all of the above. And, just to make sure it wasn't an accident, I also read her sequel series, 'The Blending Enthroned'. You really don't need to read this in order to prove me right -- trust me. Just avoid.

[Macros]

Goodkind obviously.

Hobbs soldier son trilogy, - dung

the belgariad was ok as a series (when younger albiet) a bad series is its evil younger clone the Malorean, and every series eddings produced there after, ESPECIALLY his last offering, younger gods? (i only managed half of one book)

The Ender series. woeful

The amber books by Zelazny, again, pure shit

THE RUNELORDS by by farland, these books made me want to kill the author with fire.

[Hinter]

 Battalion, on Nov 26 2008, 08:50 AM, said:

I got to agree with Bent, Black Company was poo.

Burn them, burn them all!

Started The Dragonbone Chair twice, hated it twice. Gave it to the charity shop a year ago and it's still there. 'Nuff said.

[Battalion]

 Hinter, on Nov 26 2008, 12:08 PM, said:

 Battalion, on Nov 26 2008, 08:50 AM, said:

I got to agree with Bent, Black Company was poo.

Burn them, burn them all!

What, the copies of Black Company? I'll go right ahead.

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I know a lot of people consider PoN something of master piece, but listen to the replies in this thread not just the ones about the PoN. Think for a moment about it, we love to say we read the best/most complex/most breath taking fantasy even if its something as uncool as fantasy.

About the PoN defenders not being "like hordes of pseudo intellectual French nihilists are sitting on the left bank sipping espresso" well they are, if I had bashed anything good say Black Company or Song of Ice and Fire well no problem but PoN immidiatly at least one rabid defender its nearly Goodkindesque. Like goodkind fans they tend to bring up understanding in their topics, like the PoN books was some kind of well...something difficult...live with it its a fantasy novel...

Let me get this straight ... your opinions about a book are more valid than someone elses? You think a book is good, Black Company or aSoIaF, for example, so they must be, coz you said so and you know better. You think PoN or SoT are pants so they must be too? Give me a break.

[SilentHunter]

Eragon!..............1sr book was okay.............then came the eldest and brisingr and the series fell..........damn boring novels!.........as if even Paolini dint know wat wud be happening next

[Bent]

@ bwoody - The Dragonbone chair series is the only one I could try to work through.
@ batalion - Glad I am not the only oe, lol.

Also, I have a serious problem with the Warhammer 40k books. I bought the Dawn of War Omnibus and read 5 chapters, lost the book, and haven't even bothered to look for it. Maybe its not the first books and thats why I was so lost, but I'm not a big sci-fi fan anywa, so meh.

Another series I really didn't enjoy was GRRm, mostly the first book was good, but the 2nd and 3rd could have been put in the same book. Too much wasted space for my tastes. I did enjoy the Bakkar (sp?) books, but they are pretty long and drwn out. Hopefully his next Trilogy will be more exciting.

Wait, Terry Goodkind is there, but I thought that was a given. Damn evil chicken!

[Macros]

sorry, the first one was ok?
they're all total dirge!

[Bent]

 Macros, on Nov 26 2008, 09:50 AM, said:

sorry, the first one was ok?
they're all total dirge!

Nuh -uh!!! You're total dirge!!

But yeah, the first had some drama and action...kid sees bad things and falls (to keep it spoiler free). the rest, not so much.

[Abyss]

 Fifty, on Nov 25 2008, 01:30 PM, said:

No-one mentioned Wheel of Time? God, I nearly died after the first 1/3 of a book.

 The Drum, on Nov 25 2008, 07:32 PM, said:

I can't believe nobody's yet to mention GRRM's A SONG OF ICA AND MANURE. I hate those books, ...

The thing is, WoT and SIF, even at their lowest points, outsell pretty much everything else in the genre. It's hard to take seriously a slam of a series that hits those kind of numbers. Of course, Goodkind routinely makes bestseller lists too... oh, look, there go my eyes bleeding again...

 Bent, on Nov 25 2008, 08:00 PM, said:

1. Tad Williams - BOOOOOOOOOOO

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Otherland or whatever the fantasy one was called?

MEMORY, SORROW and THORN was pain.ful. Agonizingly slow and at the big finale, the elves start singing at each other. Feh.

OTHERLAND drags at points, but for sheer scope and imagination i have to give Tad props. He could have done it in two books tho, max three. There are massive chunks of books 2 and 3 that made me want to toss the book.

 Macros, on Nov 26 2008, 07:03 AM, said:

....THE RUNELORDS by by farland, these books made me want to kill the author with fire.

I hate this series SO MUCH. Why? Because it could have been awesome. It SHOULD have been awesome. The concepts are brilliant, the characters are interesting.... but oh my sweet weeping god, the plot and characterization and writing in general are just CRAPTASTIC. I hate hate hate to see such wasted potential. I made it thru three books on sheer frustration.


- Abyss, ...turns the pages hatefully...

[Macros]

ptuh!
thats me sptting in your general direction in disgust btw.
Eragon was pants, not entertaining, I only finished it becuase i was extremely bored and had work I wanted to avoid doing.

[Bent]

 Macros, on Nov 26 2008, 10:02 AM, said:

ptuh!
thats me sptting in your general direction in disgust btw.
Eragon was pants, not entertaining, I only finished it becuase i was extremely bored and had work I wanted to avoid doing.

Hey, you are the one wondering who will be cast for the tv series

Maccy FT fail!