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Posted 27 March 2009 - 05:24 AM

View PostEddie Dean, on Mar 26 2009, 07:40 PM, said:

Go Assail, I'm with ya.


YES! I was beginning to wonder if I was the only Goodkind fan on here haha.

Haha I knew it Abyss.

I think that people don't understand the sarcastic undertone that accompanies the 'evil chicken'. It seems so serious in it's writing, yet I got a good laugh out of it. Look at it that way folks, a bit of Goodkind humour!
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 12:52 PM

View PostAssail, on Mar 26 2009, 09:01 PM, said:

Haha your posts have genuinely made me laugh, some of it's really quite funny. Anyway, no matter what excerpts have revealed to you, there is no comparison between reading an entire book and reading parts of it. No matter how well you argue that point, and I admit you have valid points, there is no argument to be had between one person who has read a book and another who has not. Maybe I'm the only reader who thinks this way, but I'll stick to my guns. I don't think you're a stupid guy, so I'm going to ponder as to why you think that plot lines and an authors style surrounding said plot lines truly reveal the nature of a book or how good it is. There is so much more to an authors style than the development of plots, and there is a lot more to a book than the main plots, or the strict relationships between each of the main characters. In order to fully understand and therefore critisize a book, you really do need to read every single word of it.



You don't. The difference between sampling and total consumption is merely one of volume. I, however, have read all of Goodkind's SoT, and can unequivocally state that they are beyond defence. And this comes from a man who finished Sharon Green's Blending series! Unmitigated awfulness, plagiarism that had me gasping at its sheer voracity and lack of any attempt at reworking, combined with a literary style that's best characterised as 'rusty mantrap direct', leaves me wondering what level your quality filter must be set at to accommodate both SE and TG as being good.
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 01:19 PM

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View PostMacros, on Mar 26 2009, 02:02 PM, said:

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to think Assail is anything other a current member filling us full of Goodkind fanboy garbage FOR TEH LULZ. Trollery abounds

One day we will bow before the awesomeness of badkind?

Not with a loaded gun to my head.


Haha, I assure you, I'm new to the site, and my love of Goodkind and SoT is f'realz hahaha. As for the bowing, well, we'll see, I have three months before boot camp, more than enough time to coerce the inhabitants of malazanempire.com into liking SoT/Goodkind.




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Posted 27 March 2009 - 01:26 PM

Sword of Truth was great, when I read the first several books in the sixth grade.

Now I try not to look back to avoid scarring every decent memory I had of his writing.
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 01:31 PM

Everything after Blood of the Fold was complete and utter trash. And the first 3 weren't no great prize neither.

I read them all, and I can say without a doubt that they are some of the worst fantasy ever to parade across my eyeballs. Eye-bleedingly bad, as Abyss is wont to point out.
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 01:47 PM

View PostAssail, on Mar 26 2009, 03:53 PM, said:

... just because you've read an excerpt doesn't qualify you to pass judgement on a book you haven't read. ...



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View PostHoosierDaddy, on Mar 26 2009, 12:56 PM, said:

I read them all... can I?


No, no you may not. Lol

Edit: Neither can Macros damn it. :D


I've read all the way thru Faith of the Fallen. That's six books worth of Goodkind. And big heaping goey piles of fantasy, sf and general fiction from hundred of other authors. Therefore, I feel i may now form and voice an informed, well thought out, and educated opinion that whole for a while there in his early books Terry did have some neat ideas, generally in terms of his ability as a fantasy author he makes my eyes bleed.


View PostVigoTheCarpathian, on Mar 26 2009, 04:44 PM, said:

I'm still trying to work up the nerve, a year and a half later, to finish the final book. Just can't do it: I've eaten 10/11 of the fetus/dogshit/American cheese sandwich, and the level of mental steeling I would need to do swallow the last bit is daunting.
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I just want to note that is perhaps the best metaphor ever and everyone should use it.

View PostIlluyankas, on Mar 26 2009, 04:52 PM, said:

...Well, obviously my copy of Memories of Ice is better than yours.


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...Yes, you do like Erikson, which is an enormous point in your favour. They're still a poor series of books, but don't feel alienated by liking them in the face of all this. Everyone makes mistakes.


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Despite the overwhelming opposition to my love of SoT, I'll never let myself be made to think that it was a mistake reading them lol. Every book read is a good book, enjoyable or not is another factor.


Goodkind regularly made all kinds of bestseller lists, so despite the fact that in any realistic analysis this justifies an alien race disintegrating our planet from orbit on the basis of gross stupidity, the viscious truth is that there are more of you than there are of us and therefore... wait... crap... i take all that back, GOODKIND MAKES MY EYES BLEED!!!!! :ball:

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 01:51 PM

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View PostAssail, on Mar 26 2009, 08:24 PM, said:

Thus far I've not found a book that sucks my dick at the end of every chapter either, so am I going to call it shit? Or not for that matter? That's a very weak argument you have there, and it's obvious too.

Unless your excerpts consist of the majority of the book, then your sandwich example really isn't apt. Not to mention that you can see the Marmite and fetus' on the bread, so you don't need to continue eating it to know it's bad. Yet in a book, you can't see what else there might be based off of an excerpt, you're guessing that because you don't like the excerpt, that you'll hate the book.

I completely agree, except that my taste doesn't suck :ball: Simply because I'm 100% positive that there are books out there that both of us enjoy. Some being Steven Erikson's, so it can't be that bad.

Well, obviously my copy of Memories of Ice is better than yours.

Excerpts do more than show you a small piece of the book, they reveal plot points, author writing styles and character development. Pretty much all the plot points revealed were retarded (HURR LET'S STRIP NAKED IN THE SNOW TO FOOL THE ENEMY INTO THINKING WE'RE GHOSTS OH WAIT MY ARMY HAVE MASS ERECTIONS FROM SEEING ME NAKED DURR; Richard's thing rising causing the mutilation of a child; the statue made by a man with no prior statue-carving experience being of such glorious quality it caused a revolution; the aforementioned pacifist-murdering; the chicken that was not a chicken; Richard throwing his face into the mud spontaneous to prevent Kahlan remembering him and acting like an OH GOD I KNOW ALL THIS EYESEARING TRIPE AND I HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE BOOKS I BLAME EVERYONE ON THE INTERNET EVER FOR THIS), the writing style was simplistic and noticably poor even by Captain I-Don't-Grammar-Well here, and I couldn't tell the difference between the main characters in one book to them in a much later one. Oh wait, I could, by how much worse it had gotten.

Yes, you do like Erikson, which is an enormous point in your favour. They're still a poor series of books, but don't feel alienated by liking them in the face of all this. Everyone makes mistakes.


@Vigo: Hey, hey, hold on a minute. Fetus and dogshit are one thing, but American cheese? That's just too low, even for Goodkind.


Haha your posts have genuinely made me laugh, some of it's really quite funny. Anyway, no matter what excerpts have revealed to you, there is no comparison between reading an entire book and reading parts of it. No matter how well you argue that point, and I admit you have valid points, there is no argument to be had between one person who has read a book and another who has not. Maybe I'm the only reader who thinks this way, but I'll stick to my guns. I don't think you're a stupid guy, so I'm going to ponder as to why you think that plot lines and an authors style surrounding said plot lines truly reveal the nature of a book or how good it is. There is so much more to an authors style than the development of plots, and there is a lot more to a book than the main plots, or the strict relationships between each of the main characters. In order to fully understand and therefore critisize a book, you really do need to read every single word of it.

Despite the overwhelming opposition to my love of SoT, I'll never let myself be made to think that it was a mistake reading them lol. Every book read is a good book, enjoyable or not is another factor.

Lmao, now we're hatin' on American cheese. My God, I am you people's antithesis.



Don't you understand that an author or a book only has ONE chance to capture a reader, and to do this they usually choose a good excerpt to promote their book, to put on the back of the book or in the jacket cover. When that supposedly good excerpt makes you want to gouge your eyes out with a wooden spoon, it is Very likely that the book sucks ASS! When you like absolutely nothing about the excerpt why force yourself to read something so horrible? That's just retarded. Yes, i said it.

I have only read one book, Wizard's First Rule or something, and the first thing I thought about it was: What a Effin rip-off of both Lotr and WOT, and a poor rip-off at that. There's a reason i did not by the rest of the books.

Compare the Dust of Dreams prologue to any of the TG excerpts here. the prologue actually makes people want to read the rest of the book, the excerpts don't...because they suck.

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 01:53 PM

View PostAssail, on Mar 27 2009, 01:24 AM, said:

...I think that people don't understand the sarcastic undertone that accompanies the 'evil chicken'. It seems so serious in it's writing, yet I got a good laugh out of it. Look at it that way folks, a bit of Goodkind humour!



You will never convince me that Terry was anything other than dead serious when he wrote the chicken bit.


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Posted 27 March 2009 - 02:09 PM

@Abyss: I'm not entirely sure about that...when I write, I put in some absurd things just for humor (with no significant bearing on the plot/themes)...who's to say goodkind didn't do the same?
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 03:28 PM

Read the scene again, it is such a horrible idea for a story idea. Kahlan walks into a random hut, probably naked because that makes the audience worry Goodkind will have her raped, and stumbles upon this chicken. Somehow it gets a whole of a vein upon the hand of her wrist and we then have a two page scene of Kahlan being all intimidated, whilst the chicken clucks menacingly worrying her hand or something like that. She's afraid to do anything because this, this is an evil chicken!

All the while you're sitting there with the book in your hand shouting at the pages: "FUCKING STEP ON IT YOU STUPID WOMAN!!! ITS A CHICKEN!!! NOT A FUCKING GAR!!! YOU ARE TWENTY TIMES THE SIZE OF THE THING!!! RIP ITS HEAD OFF!!! FOR CHRIST SAKE YOU DAFT COW JUST FUCKING HURL IT INTO A WALL AND STOMP THE FILLING OUT OF IT!!! RAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEEE!!!"

I'm surprised Goodkind didn't just have the chicken rape her and thereby complete the scene.
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 04:33 PM

View PostAptorian, on Mar 27 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

All the while you're sitting there with the book in your hand shouting at the pages: "FUCKING STEP ON IT YOU STUPID WOMAN!!! ITS A CHICKEN!!! NOT A FUCKING GAR!!! YOU ARE TWENTY TIMES THE SIZE OF THE THING!!! RIP ITS HEAD OFF!!! FOR CHRIST SAKE YOU DAFT COW JUST FUCKING HURL IT INTO A WALL AND STOMP THE FILLING OUT OF IT!!! RAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEEE!!!

I'm surprised Goodkind didn't just have the chicken rape her and thereby complete the scene.


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Posted 27 March 2009 - 05:06 PM

View PostAstra, on Mar 27 2009, 12:33 PM, said:

View PostAptorian, on Mar 27 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

All the while you're sitting there with the book in your hand shouting at the pages: "FUCKING STEP ON IT YOU STUPID WOMAN!!! ITS A CHICKEN!!! NOT A FUCKING GAR!!! YOU ARE TWENTY TIMES THE SIZE OF THE THING!!! RIP ITS HEAD OFF!!! FOR CHRIST SAKE YOU DAFT COW JUST FUCKING HURL IT INTO A WALL AND STOMP THE FILLING OUT OF IT!!! RAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEEE!!!

I'm surprised Goodkind didn't just have the chicken rape her and thereby complete the scene.


I can almost feel it, you know? :ball:



I know i can. :ball:


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Posted 27 March 2009 - 07:29 PM

View PostAbyss, on Mar 27 2009, 10:06 AM, said:

View PostAstra, on Mar 27 2009, 12:33 PM, said:

View PostAptorian, on Mar 27 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

All the while you're sitting there with the book in your hand shouting at the pages: "FUCKING STEP ON IT YOU STUPID WOMAN!!! ITS A CHICKEN!!! NOT A FUCKING GAR!!! YOU ARE TWENTY TIMES THE SIZE OF THE THING!!! RIP ITS HEAD OFF!!! FOR CHRIST SAKE YOU DAFT COW JUST FUCKING HURL IT INTO A WALL AND STOMP THE FILLING OUT OF IT!!! RAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEEE!!!

I'm surprised Goodkind didn't just have the chicken rape her and thereby complete the scene.


I can almost feel it, you know? :ball:



I know i can. :ball:


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Lmao, truly 'fowl' villains. That's a good one lol.

And Apt, I'd imagine you have an extensive list of epic fantasy books under your belt in terms of reading, so you should know that power is not restricted to the size of the body haha. Take for example Moby! The bhok'rakal or whatever it is :D
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 07:44 PM

View PostGrimhilde, on Mar 27 2009, 06:51 AM, said:

View PostAssail, on Mar 26 2009, 10:01 PM, said:

View PostIlluyankas, on Mar 26 2009, 01:52 PM, said:

View PostAssail, on Mar 26 2009, 08:24 PM, said:

Thus far I've not found a book that sucks my dick at the end of every chapter either, so am I going to call it shit? Or not for that matter? That's a very weak argument you have there, and it's obvious too.

Unless your excerpts consist of the majority of the book, then your sandwich example really isn't apt. Not to mention that you can see the Marmite and fetus' on the bread, so you don't need to continue eating it to know it's bad. Yet in a book, you can't see what else there might be based off of an excerpt, you're guessing that because you don't like the excerpt, that you'll hate the book.

I completely agree, except that my taste doesn't suck :ball: Simply because I'm 100% positive that there are books out there that both of us enjoy. Some being Steven Erikson's, so it can't be that bad.

Well, obviously my copy of Memories of Ice is better than yours.

Excerpts do more than show you a small piece of the book, they reveal plot points, author writing styles and character development. Pretty much all the plot points revealed were retarded (HURR LET'S STRIP NAKED IN THE SNOW TO FOOL THE ENEMY INTO THINKING WE'RE GHOSTS OH WAIT MY ARMY HAVE MASS ERECTIONS FROM SEEING ME NAKED DURR; Richard's thing rising causing the mutilation of a child; the statue made by a man with no prior statue-carving experience being of such glorious quality it caused a revolution; the aforementioned pacifist-murdering; the chicken that was not a chicken; Richard throwing his face into the mud spontaneous to prevent Kahlan remembering him and acting like an OH GOD I KNOW ALL THIS EYESEARING TRIPE AND I HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE BOOKS I BLAME EVERYONE ON THE INTERNET EVER FOR THIS), the writing style was simplistic and noticably poor even by Captain I-Don't-Grammar-Well here, and I couldn't tell the difference between the main characters in one book to them in a much later one. Oh wait, I could, by how much worse it had gotten.

Yes, you do like Erikson, which is an enormous point in your favour. They're still a poor series of books, but don't feel alienated by liking them in the face of all this. Everyone makes mistakes.


@Vigo: Hey, hey, hold on a minute. Fetus and dogshit are one thing, but American cheese? That's just too low, even for Goodkind.


Haha your posts have genuinely made me laugh, some of it's really quite funny. Anyway, no matter what excerpts have revealed to you, there is no comparison between reading an entire book and reading parts of it. No matter how well you argue that point, and I admit you have valid points, there is no argument to be had between one person who has read a book and another who has not. Maybe I'm the only reader who thinks this way, but I'll stick to my guns. I don't think you're a stupid guy, so I'm going to ponder as to why you think that plot lines and an authors style surrounding said plot lines truly reveal the nature of a book or how good it is. There is so much more to an authors style than the development of plots, and there is a lot more to a book than the main plots, or the strict relationships between each of the main characters. In order to fully understand and therefore critisize a book, you really do need to read every single word of it.

Despite the overwhelming opposition to my love of SoT, I'll never let myself be made to think that it was a mistake reading them lol. Every book read is a good book, enjoyable or not is another factor.

Lmao, now we're hatin' on American cheese. My God, I am you people's antithesis.



Don't you understand that an author or a book only has ONE chance to capture a reader, and to do this they usually choose a good excerpt to promote their book, to put on the back of the book or in the jacket cover. When that supposedly good excerpt makes you want to gouge your eyes out with a wooden spoon, it is Very likely that the book sucks ASS! When you like absolutely nothing about the excerpt why force yourself to read something so horrible? That's just retarded. Yes, i said it.

I have only read one book, Wizard's First Rule or something, and the first thing I thought about it was: What a Effin rip-off of both Lotr and WOT, and a poor rip-off at that. There's a reason i did not by the rest of the books.

Compare the Dust of Dreams prologue to any of the TG excerpts here. the prologue actually makes people want to read the rest of the book, the excerpts don't...because they suck.

That is all.

Without end, that is all...


Once again I fail to see how you can hate an entire series based off the synopsis :S It truly confuses me. I totally agree, authors pick an excerpt, or a slight summary of the book and put it on the back to entice the reader. And sure, it doesn't always work, my answer to that is, so what? Are you really going to turn down book after book just because the back didn't sound the greatest to you? You can't, CANNOT, judge a book on a small amount of text from said book.

Once again, I guess we differ. I just believe in reading a book, or the whole series of books, before you pass any kind of judgment on it. It's just a matter of the whole experience thing, if you've never gone to war don't go out and criticize it.

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 07:52 PM

View PostAssail, on Mar 27 2009, 02:44 PM, said:

View PostGrimhilde, on Mar 27 2009, 06:51 AM, said:

View PostAssail, on Mar 26 2009, 10:01 PM, said:

View PostIlluyankas, on Mar 26 2009, 01:52 PM, said:

View PostAssail, on Mar 26 2009, 08:24 PM, said:

Thus far I've not found a book that sucks my dick at the end of every chapter either, so am I going to call it shit? Or not for that matter? That's a very weak argument you have there, and it's obvious too.

Unless your excerpts consist of the majority of the book, then your sandwich example really isn't apt. Not to mention that you can see the Marmite and fetus' on the bread, so you don't need to continue eating it to know it's bad. Yet in a book, you can't see what else there might be based off of an excerpt, you're guessing that because you don't like the excerpt, that you'll hate the book.

I completely agree, except that my taste doesn't suck :ball: Simply because I'm 100% positive that there are books out there that both of us enjoy. Some being Steven Erikson's, so it can't be that bad.

Well, obviously my copy of Memories of Ice is better than yours.

Excerpts do more than show you a small piece of the book, they reveal plot points, author writing styles and character development. Pretty much all the plot points revealed were retarded (HURR LET'S STRIP NAKED IN THE SNOW TO FOOL THE ENEMY INTO THINKING WE'RE GHOSTS OH WAIT MY ARMY HAVE MASS ERECTIONS FROM SEEING ME NAKED DURR; Richard's thing rising causing the mutilation of a child; the statue made by a man with no prior statue-carving experience being of such glorious quality it caused a revolution; the aforementioned pacifist-murdering; the chicken that was not a chicken; Richard throwing his face into the mud spontaneous to prevent Kahlan remembering him and acting like an OH GOD I KNOW ALL THIS EYESEARING TRIPE AND I HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE BOOKS I BLAME EVERYONE ON THE INTERNET EVER FOR THIS), the writing style was simplistic and noticably poor even by Captain I-Don't-Grammar-Well here, and I couldn't tell the difference between the main characters in one book to them in a much later one. Oh wait, I could, by how much worse it had gotten.

Yes, you do like Erikson, which is an enormous point in your favour. They're still a poor series of books, but don't feel alienated by liking them in the face of all this. Everyone makes mistakes.


@Vigo: Hey, hey, hold on a minute. Fetus and dogshit are one thing, but American cheese? That's just too low, even for Goodkind.


Haha your posts have genuinely made me laugh, some of it's really quite funny. Anyway, no matter what excerpts have revealed to you, there is no comparison between reading an entire book and reading parts of it. No matter how well you argue that point, and I admit you have valid points, there is no argument to be had between one person who has read a book and another who has not. Maybe I'm the only reader who thinks this way, but I'll stick to my guns. I don't think you're a stupid guy, so I'm going to ponder as to why you think that plot lines and an authors style surrounding said plot lines truly reveal the nature of a book or how good it is. There is so much more to an authors style than the development of plots, and there is a lot more to a book than the main plots, or the strict relationships between each of the main characters. In order to fully understand and therefore critisize a book, you really do need to read every single word of it.

Despite the overwhelming opposition to my love of SoT, I'll never let myself be made to think that it was a mistake reading them lol. Every book read is a good book, enjoyable or not is another factor.

Lmao, now we're hatin' on American cheese. My God, I am you people's antithesis.



Don't you understand that an author or a book only has ONE chance to capture a reader, and to do this they usually choose a good excerpt to promote their book, to put on the back of the book or in the jacket cover. When that supposedly good excerpt makes you want to gouge your eyes out with a wooden spoon, it is Very likely that the book sucks ASS! When you like absolutely nothing about the excerpt why force yourself to read something so horrible? That's just retarded. Yes, i said it.

I have only read one book, Wizard's First Rule or something, and the first thing I thought about it was: What a Effin rip-off of both Lotr and WOT, and a poor rip-off at that. There's a reason i did not by the rest of the books.

Compare the Dust of Dreams prologue to any of the TG excerpts here. the prologue actually makes people want to read the rest of the book, the excerpts don't...because they suck.

That is all.

Without end, that is all...


Once again I fail to see how you can hate an entire series based off the synopsis :S It truly confuses me. I totally agree, authors pick an excerpt, or a slight summary of the book and put it on the back to entice the reader. And sure, it doesn't always work, my answer to that is, so what? Are you really going to turn down book after book just because the back didn't sound the greatest to you? You can't, CANNOT, judge a book on a small amount of text from said book.

Once again, I guess we differ. I just believe in reading a book, or the whole series of books, before you pass any kind of judgment on it. It's just a matter of the whole experience thing, if you've never gone to war don't go out and criticize it.


Yes, However, If you eyes start to bleed after reading the synopsis then that is a good indication that you shouldn't read the books.
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 07:52 PM

The war analogy actually works, because while reading Goodkind's words I did indeed feel in mortal danger of a bullet in the head. Fired by my own hand.
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 07:58 PM

I reckon you can judge a book without having to read all of it.

You can certainly judge the parts you have read.

If the writing is basic/terrible there, it is unlikely that it will get much better. The plot may hcnage, the skill fo the writer is likely to improve so drastically.

So, it shows the writing style he has, which can be judged on, and applied, to parts you have not read.

For example, I can happily say that, imo, certain authors are terrible. To do so, I do not have to have read every single word they have ever written. Because I am not judging every single word ever written, I am judging the author, and to get an idea of how good the author is at writing, you don't need to read every single word written by them.

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 08:09 PM

View PostGrief, on Mar 27 2009, 12:58 PM, said:

I reckon you can judge a book without having to read all of it.

You can certainly judge the parts you have read.

If the writing is basic/terrible there, it is unlikely that it will get much better. The plot may hcnage, the skill fo the writer is likely to improve so drastically.

So, it shows the writing style he has, which can be judged on, and applied, to parts you have not read.

For example, I can happily say that, imo, certain authors are terrible. To do so, I do not have to have read every single word they have ever written. Because I am not judging every single word ever written, I am judging the author, and to get an idea of how good the author is at writing, you don't need to read every single word written by them.


And that's where I disagree. I believe someone needs to read everything an author has ever written in order to gain a FULL and proper scope of who they are and how they write. By reading only excerpts you only allow yourself single view, that single view doing nothing to encompass the grand scheme of the entire book.

For arguments sake though, I can agree, you don't need to read everything an author is written to criticize him, then again, it would do you better to read everything else you look ignorant. Let alone it helps to form a more structured argument in terms of criticizing an individual.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling you ignorant, just saying that when anyone criticizes something without fully learning about it or experiencing it, it doesn't exactly bode well for your arguments pertaining to the subject.
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 08:15 PM

View PostIlluyankas, on Mar 27 2009, 12:52 PM, said:

The war analogy actually works, because while reading Goodkind's words I did indeed feel in mortal danger of a bullet in the head. Fired by my own hand.


Hahahaha, this forum is full of quips. Though anti-Goodkind, I still find them funny as hell.
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 09:08 PM

hmm
bottom line to this argument, i think is that none of us have unlimited amount of time on our hands.
we ALL pick and choose what we read, since there's SO much stuff out there in SFF, now more than ever before, with new promising writers popping up left and right.
considering the amount of choice we have, of course people will make the judgement on whether or not to invest their money (and time) into the author based on the information provided to them--that's why those synopses and excerpts are there in the first place--to attract attention of people who are browzing, trying to make ac hoice as to what to spend their money on, whic h book out of the hundred books on the shelf to pick and take home.
As such, if the excerpt/synopsis that you are provided with does not capture your attention, or gives you a good impression of what it is, you are not gonna purchase.

We make judgement decisions almost every day in our day-to-day lives wthout having access to ALL the information. Humans HAVE to use heuristics ("rules of thumb") in order to avoid processing ALL the information out there, otherwise we'd suffer tremendous info overloads.
What i'm trying to say, I guess, is that as a consumer, what I have been presented with does not entive me to spend money and time on Sword of Truth. As such, I have formed an opinion that it's not worth my time. I don't think I can argue on the qualities of the series of the author/series any further, but it is sufficient to me.
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And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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