[Illuyankas]

Ah, unfortunately for you I've read enough excerpts of the books to form an opinion on them already. It's a bad one, incidentally, but oh well. The evil chicken line was a reference to an old avatar of mine gone before you joined. Good *cough* luck, though.

[Vengeance]

:snigger:


That is all...

[Assail]

Illuyankas, on Mar 26 2009, 07:54 AM, said:

Ah, unfortunately for you I've read enough excerpts of the books to form an opinion on them already. It's a bad one, incidentally, but oh well. The evil chicken line was a reference to an old avatar of mine gone before you joined. Good *cough* luck, though.

You know you can't judge a book until you've entirely read it, or the series. Come on now, do it

[RodeoRanch]

Oh boy.

[Illuyankas]

Dude, if parts of a book repeatedly uppercut you in your sense of taste's metaphorical testicles, you don't want to read the rest of it in case you get off scot free because you've already been punched in the balls.

[Obdigore]

Assail, on Mar 26 2009, 09:57 AM, said:

Illuyankas, on Mar 26 2009, 07:54 AM, said:

Ah, unfortunately for you I've read enough excerpts of the books to form an opinion on them already. It's a bad one, incidentally, but oh well. The evil chicken line was a reference to an old avatar of mine gone before you joined. Good *cough* luck, though.

You know you can't judge a book until you've entirely read it, or the series. Come on now, do it

I hate to stop series, so I read up through the pillars of creation before I stoped reading.

Rape and Memory Wipe spells should not make up the plot devices of every single book in a series.

That is all.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

I made it up through the first book of the chainfire trilogy. Pure crap, all the way down.

[Abyss]

That chicken, inadvertently, may be the greatest character in fantasy lit ever. Seriously, take Sauron, Torak, the CG, the Dark One, the Non-God, the UnGod, the Nothing, Lord Foul, whatever and whoever... and the Chicken STILL stands out and the greatest evil ever.

- Abyss, isn't clucking kidding. Oh, look, my eyes are bleeding...

[Use Of Weapons]

Abyss, on Mar 26 2009, 03:53 PM, said:

That chicken, inadvertently, may be the greatest character in fantasy lit ever. Seriously, take Sauron, Torak, the CG, the Dark One, the Non-God, the UnGod, the Nothing, Lord Foul, whatever and whoever... and the Chicken STILL stands out and the greatest evil ever.

Though it has to be said that Lilith would rape all of the above and then give birth to a legion of Evil chickens -- which legion would then proceed to take out all the K'Chain Che'Malle.

Lilith rocks. Favourite evil monster-child-producing temptress ever!

[Assail]

Illuyankas, on Mar 26 2009, 08:04 AM, said:

Dude, if parts of a book repeatedly uppercut you in your sense of taste's metaphorical testicles, you don't want to read the rest of it in case you get off scot free because you've already been punched in the balls.

I understand where you're coming from, however, just because you've read an excerpt doesn't qualify you to pass judgement on a book you haven't read. Personally, from all the excerpts I've read, the Twilight series looks bloody awful, atleast in terms of serious literary aspects. As it is, I haven't read the Twilight series, and so can't sit here and tell you that they're shit.

All I'm saying is that you can't talk shit on a bunch of books that you've never completely read.

[HoosierDaddy]

I read them all... can I?

[Macros]

I read a bit of WFR before I smeared in it dog food to let my ever hungry collie eat it.
He turned his nose up in disgust.
Can I comment on it?

(DNFTT??)

[Assail]

HoosierDaddy, on Mar 26 2009, 12:56 PM, said:

I read them all... can I?

No, no you may not. Lol

Edit: Neither can Macros damn it.

This post has been edited by Assail: 26 March 2009 - 08:13 PM

[Illuyankas]

Assail, on Mar 26 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

I understand where you're coming from, however, just because you've read an excerpt doesn't qualify you to pass judgement on a book you haven't read.

Do the rest of the books give out blowjobs at the end of every chapter? No? Then it isn't good enough for me to declare it not shit.

You do not need to eat every bite of a sandwich made of bread, Marmite and fetuses to believe the remainder is not worth eating.

Assail, on Mar 26 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

Personally, from all the excerpts I've read, the Twilight series looks bloody awful, atleast in terms of serious literary aspects. As it is, I haven't read the Twilight series, and so can't sit here and tell you that they're shit.

All I need to say about Twilight's literary quality is SPARKLY VAMPIRES WHAT SPARKLE IN DAYLIGHT

Assail, on Mar 26 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

All I'm saying is that you can't talk shit on a bunch of books that you've never completely read.

Oh, you can. You really, really can. If each excerpt causes you to not want to read the series at all, let alone that book, it's not a good series. And the later excerpts were worse!

People are allowed different opinions on things - we're not book Nazis, after all - so I will finish with stating your taste sucks Goodkind's books are not my cup of tea.

[Macros]

I'll go right ahead and say goodkind sucks, and his books at the literary form of what my dogs faithfully and cheerfully deposit daily on the good stretch of grass where we play football. The bastards.

borderline plagarism and douchebagery of the highlevel

[Assail]

Illuyankas, on Mar 26 2009, 01:14 PM, said:

Assail, on Mar 26 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

I understand where you're coming from, however, just because you've read an excerpt doesn't qualify you to pass judgement on a book you haven't read.

Do the rest of the books give out blowjobs at the end of every chapter? No? Then it isn't good enough for me to declare it not shit.

You do not need to eat every bite of a sandwich made of bread, Marmite and fetuses to believe the remainder is not worth eating.

Assail, on Mar 26 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

Personally, from all the excerpts I've read, the Twilight series looks bloody awful, atleast in terms of serious literary aspects. As it is, I haven't read the Twilight series, and so can't sit here and tell you that they're shit.

All I need to say about Twilight's literary quality is SPARKLY VAMPIRES WHAT SPARKLE IN DAYLIGHT

Assail, on Mar 26 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

All I'm saying is that you can't talk shit on a bunch of books that you've never completely read.

Oh, you can. You really, really can. If each excerpt causes you to not want to read the series at all, let alone that book, it's not a good series. And the later excerpts were worse!

People are allowed different opinions on things - we're not book Nazis, after all - so I will finish with stating your taste sucks Goodkind's books are not my cup of tea.

Thus far I've not found a book that sucks my dick at the end of every chapter either, so am I going to call it shit? Or not for that matter? That's a very weak argument you have there, and it's obvious too.

Unless your excerpts consist of the majority of the book, then your sandwich example really isn't apt. Not to mention that you can see the Marmite and fetus' on the bread, so you don't need to continue eating it to know it's bad. Yet in a book, you can't see what else there might be based off of an excerpt, you're guessing that because you don't like the excerpt, that you'll hate the book.

I completely agree, except that my taste doesn't suck Simply because I'm 100% positive that there are books out there that both of us enjoy. Some being Steven Erikson's, so it can't be that bad.

[VigoTheCarpathian]

I'm still trying to work up the nerve, a year and a half later, to finish the final book. Just can't do it: I've eaten 10/11 of the fetus/dogshit/American cheese sandwich, and the level of mental steeling I would need to do swallow the last bit is daunting.

And I do find using the excerpts in terms of the sandwich analogy to be apt: by pointing out and highlighting the pacifist-killing and chicken-cackling (I haven't seen the part where he kicks an 8 year old in the face posted yet, but it's a good one too), people are merely saying "Hey, you see that sandwich you're thinking about putting in your mouth? Right now, I'm going to point to the spots on it where there are several rancid dead fetuses: just so you know, if you start eating, you're going to be sinking your teeth into those babies somewhere down the line."

[Illuyankas]

Assail, on Mar 26 2009, 08:24 PM, said:

Thus far I've not found a book that sucks my dick at the end of every chapter either, so am I going to call it shit? Or not for that matter? That's a very weak argument you have there, and it's obvious too.

Unless your excerpts consist of the majority of the book, then your sandwich example really isn't apt. Not to mention that you can see the Marmite and fetus' on the bread, so you don't need to continue eating it to know it's bad. Yet in a book, you can't see what else there might be based off of an excerpt, you're guessing that because you don't like the excerpt, that you'll hate the book.

I completely agree, except that my taste doesn't suck Simply because I'm 100% positive that there are books out there that both of us enjoy. Some being Steven Erikson's, so it can't be that bad.

Well, obviously my copy of Memories of Ice is better than yours.

Excerpts do more than show you a small piece of the book, they reveal plot points, author writing styles and character development. Pretty much all the plot points revealed were retarded (HURR LET'S STRIP NAKED IN THE SNOW TO FOOL THE ENEMY INTO THINKING WE'RE GHOSTS OH WAIT MY ARMY HAVE MASS ERECTIONS FROM SEEING ME NAKED DURR; Richard's thing rising causing the mutilation of a child; the statue made by a man with no prior statue-carving experience being of such glorious quality it caused a revolution; the aforementioned pacifist-murdering; the chicken that was not a chicken; Richard throwing his face into the mud spontaneous to prevent Kahlan remembering him and acting like an OH GOD I KNOW ALL THIS EYESEARING TRIPE AND I HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE BOOKS I BLAME EVERYONE ON THE INTERNET EVER FOR THIS), the writing style was simplistic and noticably poor even by Captain I-Don't-Grammar-Well here, and I couldn't tell the difference between the main characters in one book to them in a much later one. Oh wait, I could, by how much worse it had gotten.

Yes, you do like Erikson, which is an enormous point in your favour. They're still a poor series of books, but don't feel alienated by liking them in the face of all this. Everyone makes mistakes.


@Vigo: Hey, hey, hold on a minute. Fetus and dogshit are one thing, but American cheese? That's just too low, even for Goodkind.

[Assail]

Illuyankas, on Mar 26 2009, 01:52 PM, said:

Assail, on Mar 26 2009, 08:24 PM, said:

Thus far I've not found a book that sucks my dick at the end of every chapter either, so am I going to call it shit? Or not for that matter? That's a very weak argument you have there, and it's obvious too.

Unless your excerpts consist of the majority of the book, then your sandwich example really isn't apt. Not to mention that you can see the Marmite and fetus' on the bread, so you don't need to continue eating it to know it's bad. Yet in a book, you can't see what else there might be based off of an excerpt, you're guessing that because you don't like the excerpt, that you'll hate the book.

I completely agree, except that my taste doesn't suck Simply because I'm 100% positive that there are books out there that both of us enjoy. Some being Steven Erikson's, so it can't be that bad.

Well, obviously my copy of Memories of Ice is better than yours.

Excerpts do more than show you a small piece of the book, they reveal plot points, author writing styles and character development. Pretty much all the plot points revealed were retarded (HURR LET'S STRIP NAKED IN THE SNOW TO FOOL THE ENEMY INTO THINKING WE'RE GHOSTS OH WAIT MY ARMY HAVE MASS ERECTIONS FROM SEEING ME NAKED DURR; Richard's thing rising causing the mutilation of a child; the statue made by a man with no prior statue-carving experience being of such glorious quality it caused a revolution; the aforementioned pacifist-murdering; the chicken that was not a chicken; Richard throwing his face into the mud spontaneous to prevent Kahlan remembering him and acting like an OH GOD I KNOW ALL THIS EYESEARING TRIPE AND I HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE BOOKS I BLAME EVERYONE ON THE INTERNET EVER FOR THIS), the writing style was simplistic and noticably poor even by Captain I-Don't-Grammar-Well here, and I couldn't tell the difference between the main characters in one book to them in a much later one. Oh wait, I could, by how much worse it had gotten.

Yes, you do like Erikson, which is an enormous point in your favour. They're still a poor series of books, but don't feel alienated by liking them in the face of all this. Everyone makes mistakes.


@Vigo: Hey, hey, hold on a minute. Fetus and dogshit are one thing, but American cheese? That's just too low, even for Goodkind.

Haha your posts have genuinely made me laugh, some of it's really quite funny. Anyway, no matter what excerpts have revealed to you, there is no comparison between reading an entire book and reading parts of it. No matter how well you argue that point, and I admit you have valid points, there is no argument to be had between one person who has read a book and another who has not. Maybe I'm the only reader who thinks this way, but I'll stick to my guns. I don't think you're a stupid guy, so I'm going to ponder as to why you think that plot lines and an authors style surrounding said plot lines truly reveal the nature of a book or how good it is. There is so much more to an authors style than the development of plots, and there is a lot more to a book than the main plots, or the strict relationships between each of the main characters. In order to fully understand and therefore critisize a book, you really do need to read every single word of it.

Despite the overwhelming opposition to my love of SoT, I'll never let myself be made to think that it was a mistake reading them lol. Every book read is a good book, enjoyable or not is another factor.

Lmao, now we're hatin' on American cheese. My God, I am you people's antithesis.

[Eddie Dean]

Go Assail, I'm with ya.