[Ain't_It_Just_]

Agitator of Great and Terrible Entities can be beneficial...maybe.

[Jude]

Grief, on Nov 30 2008, 10:48 AM, said:

Why?
He's pretty arrogant, so I can see him walking up to someone like K'rul or Draconus being like "I'm all magic resistant, and im gonna fuck you up, cause I dont like you" and getting completely wtfpwned.

I think you meant to say completely wtfpwning K'rul and Drac at the same time.

An edit from Jude: knowing that Karsa could wtfpwn K'rul and Drac at the same time


If he wanted to bad enough.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

I disagree. Godlings/Soletaken/Hounds/other Great and Terrible beings is fine, Elder Gods are another.

[Blend]

Ain't_It_Just_, on Dec 2 2008, 08:16 AM, said:

I disagree. Godlings/Soletaken/Hounds/other Great and Terrible beings is fine, Elder Gods are another.

True, isn't there precedent for Elder/Holds Magic affecting Karsa more than, uh, Warren Magic? I think he's still somewhat resistant, but didn't Binadas cause him to pause or stop him momentarily or osmething?

[Jude]

the semantics and technicalities are irrelevant. Karsa would wtf pwn K'rul, Drac, AND Mael at the same time. IF he wanted to bad enough

[Trotts]

Based on previous assessments, Karsa is bad enough to take down anyone he pleases.

[Aptorian]

Silly Karsa fanboys

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Yes. He is as mortal as any other.

And if he isn't, then they could just drive him insane like they nearly did on the ship in HoC. He he he he he.

[Jude]

who's to say... they DIDN'T drive him insane, AIJ?

some food for thought there for yah

[Silencer]

Ehh...you lot have read TTH, right? Where Karsa is all like "Oh Em Eff Gee Rake and Traveller ftw! They are too good!"

>.>

Anyway...

Quick Ben:
12 Souls (not seven)
Potentially all the warrens
Confirmed High Mage since MoI, where he controlled the descent of a mountainside (said to be only achievable by Gods or other really powerful people), and where he pulled off an illusion that could actually kill people
wtfpwned 3 Draconic Soletaken at the same time
Later wtfpwned Silchas Ruin (who was recovering from two cussers, so they are mostly irrelevant)

Now, list other mages equivalent achievements, please.

[T'renn]

Tayschrenn

>Killed of most of the mage cadre, an Elder Goddes and drove back Rake at Pale
>Able to control Demons, almost the like of Rake
>Hid himself from all but Silverfox during MOI (and with powerfull ascendants who didn't notice)
>Drove the High King Kallor back while being assailed by the Cripled God, Kallor seriously needed the CG's help to escape
>Killed at the very least 12 mages at Coral and blasting of parts of the walls, again while being assailed by the CG

I didn't exactly know what he did in RotCG but there was again a battle, still waiting for my copy to be delivered

[Aptorian]

Kruppe:

He stole a cake from a vendor

/discussion.

[Mcflury]

Aptorian, on Dec 12 2008, 08:36 AM, said:

Kruppe:

He stole a cake from a vendor

/discussion.

Damned right he did!!!

(and oh: Beak: controls all freaking warrens, uses them in subtle manners, can be quite deadly if wanted, stopped magic that not even QB could stop and remained HUMBLE through it all. And oh, he doesn't need 7 or more souls to do so... But for Apt's sake: I'm still wondering who's strongest, Beak or Kruppe. QB is just a woos who seems to get lucky hits alot... and who uses his brain of course. Tayschrenn is a strong mage all right, but not as strong as Beak or Kruppe by far. I do believe Tay and QB would be fair competetors to Kruppe on the 'who's the most sneakiest mage' list )

[D'rek]

Bubyrd:
-Makes illusions that look exactly like people and do his laundry, paperwork, cooking for him
-Makes Rucket ridiculously fat, but she can still eat and has increased weight and stuff
-Being the only mage in the guild, presumably can convince rats to pledge allegiance to himself and do his bidding
-Can do these things all at once and maintain them for years
-Does it all with the Holds. Meanas can go to the Abyss.

So, sure he hasn't displayed all that much ass-kicking ability, but he hasn't had to. The Holds, especially the Empty Hold, are very versatile, not limited to particular aspects. Heck, we've seen the Empty Hold used for long-distance communication, waves of fire and all sorts of other things. Thus, if he can do far more illusion-wise than someone like Kulp or QB, who are said to be awesomesauce, than it stands to reason that he can use the same Hold(s) he normally uses to just as powerful things of another sort. Thus, I have clearly demonstrated beyond any shred of a doubt that Bubyrd could, without even sweating, make waves of fire/death/pie that would make Cowl, Tayschrenn, Rake, Caladan Brood or anyone else we've ever met in the series shit themselves in fear.

This post has been edited by D'rek: 12 December 2008 - 08:03 PM

[Silencer]

Aaaaiii! I saw someone mention that Beak stopped the magic QB couldn't. NO. YOU ARE WRONG. Beak killed himself to stop that magic, QB was not willing to do that. If he had been, then probably could have stopped it and more.

^That particular point has been covered...like 100 times?

But, good that we are listing achievements and can soon compare them. Any other contenders?

[Icarium Kalam]

Quick Ben is a smart bastard. He's got more aces up his sleeves then any of these fools.

[Mcflury]

Silencer, on Dec 12 2008, 09:52 PM, said:

Aaaaiii! I saw someone mention that Beak stopped the magic QB couldn't. NO. YOU ARE WRONG. Beak killed himself to stop that magic, QB was not willing to do that. If he had been, then probably could have stopped it and more.

^That particular point has been covered...like 100 times?

But, good that we are listing achievements and can soon compare them. Any other contenders?

Yes, it was I who said it. I most honoustly must say I remembered somewhere that QB looked at the magic that was going straight for Beak and his friends and Qb thought something in the lines of 'holy crap... they're fucked... there's nothing I can do', though I've been looking in the book just now (RG) and can't seem to find it anywhere, so I bet it must be a figment of my imagination.
However, there's still the whole fact that the magic released on Beak was the same magic (perhaps evens tronger) as the one they released at the BHs when they were still on their boats. At that point QB did anything he could to save them (because he had to or else he would've died himself) and he wouldn't have succeeded without the help of Bottle and the other thingy wingy (ascendant godlike woman stuff whose name I forgot). Beak did it on his.

Now, let's say you are right and QB could've stopped the magic too, possibly without dying, then Beak is still a stronger mage to me because he actually did choose to pay the ultimate debt for his friends, not for his own sake. Anyways, I don't think anyone will ever be able to convince me that Beak isn't a stronger mage than QB unless SE explicitly writes it down in one of his books, so I guess there's not much use that I keep argueing about it.

Who is that Bubyrd guy? I completely must have missed him :s (unless he's from RotCG, which I haven't read yet)

[D'rek]

QB was in the Refugium when the Bonehunters reached the Anvil, so you're definitely conjuring things in your head...

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At that point QB did anything he could to save them (because he had to or else he would've died himself) and he wouldn't have succeeded without the help of Bottle and the other thingy wingy (ascendant godlike woman stuff whose name I forgot).

Now I'm going to have to refute that by saying that it is more then a bit of a stretch. QB is a sly bastard, hence his subtle talk with Kalam before floating up in the air above the Froth Wolf. He was smart enough to know that people who primitively use magic like the Holds would be easily duped by a big illusion. If that'll work, why bother trying to make a magical wave that can take down ships in about 230 degrees of direction (the fleet was surrounded). Sure Bottle may have helped a bit, and the Eres'al did her whole "make-it-real" thing (though it's unclear just what she did... if she made it into 'real' Hold magic how the hell would QB have held onto it?), but personally I think the Edur were duped no matter what. So what if QB's reverse mudslide was a bit too fast for Bottle's liking?

It's not like the average Edur warlock sees a natural reverse-avalanches every other day and thus can say "oh look, that magical volcanic ground-aspected energy rock is rising 0.2 meters-per-second faster then it should, it must be an illusion created by a magical realm I've never heard of within a system of warrens I never knew existed."

All told, I think QB would've gotten them through it without Bottle or the Eres'al's help, and that going for the illusion wasn't merely his only option, it was just the smartest option.

Furthermore I would point out that Beak had to protect about a thousands soldiers closely grouped together, whereas QB, if he had gone for the defensive approach, would have had to protect something like a hundred ships or more, all spaced far enough apart to easily allow other ships to pass in between... we're talking like a couple square kilometers here. It's certainly a factor.

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Who is that Bubyrd guy? I completely must have missed him :s (unless he's from RotCG, which I haven't read yet)

He's from MT, the wizard of the Rat Catcher's Guild. When Bugg talks to the RCG's secretary he pokes the secretary in the eyes, to which the secretary states that he hasn't been found out in years. Then at the meeting with the 7 head members of the RCG, it is revealed that 4 of those members are also illusions created by Bubyrd. Despite being illusions though, these ones can move physical objects, be crawled upon and can bite the heads off rats...

Then in RG, Rucket has that thing with becoming a ridiculously fat woman to hide her identity, and the illusion is mostly magical in nature, created by Bubyrd.

Also, Bybyrd is Grizzin Farl.

[Silencer]

QB was NOT doing all he could. He would NOT have died if he failed - Tavore had her sword which QB speculated would be enough to protect their ship.

Other than that, QFT D'rek.

[Hoods_Balls]

Dutch Master of the Deck, on Oct 24 2008, 01:39 PM, said:

Briar King, on Oct 24 2008, 07:54 PM, said:

I say it is Beak.

All 13 candles lit wasn't it?

And on Rake. aye he's quite powerfull.

Quick Ben has quite some tricks in his sleeve, but against the Edur magic on the ships he could only put Meanas (illusion) against it (correct me if I'm wrong)

Btw, wasn't Spindle a Mage too? I remember something out of MoI about working up magic with one hand while throwing a sharper (or cusser) with the other.

That wasn't edurr magic, those Edure mages were channeling power from the CG, it was chaos.