[Jude]

Yeah I wouldn't call Quick a weak mage before he took the souls. I remember WJ telling Rake in MoI that every Mage in that company was pretty heavy duty on that trek, which begs to ask, why was WJ chasing them with only a small force of normal soldiers. Now I don't think they were ascendants but none of them were to be messed around with, and that goes for Delat as well

[Mcflury]

On the Kruppe issue: he's definatly a mage, here's some more proofs to this that haven't been given by people after Hinter wondered:

-Kruppe uses his magic to erase the memory of murillio(?) in GotM, even be it temporary. But he did it anyways
-Kruppe, appart from using his magic to steal food, walks through Baruk's wards without any problem, without Baruk even noticing it... Now, Baruk is a pretty strong mage... you do the math

I definatly do hope we'll see some portion of Kruppe's power sooner rather than late... of course, Kruppe will only unleash his full being when there truely is no other option, but I'm pretty sure it'll happen.

In fact, I'm afraid that when Kruppe does show his true powers everybody will be struck by awe, he'll become the great hero of the book but will die because he made a certain bold move. I'm not sure I can handle another Coltaine or Beak

[caladanbrood]

Blend, on Nov 24 2008, 08:43 PM, said:

caladanbrood, on Nov 24 2008, 08:27 PM, said:

Yeah, no idea if any of them were ascendants... doubt it, but it's the mages of the Holy Falah'd of Seven Cities... think, the level of Spiritwalker Kimloc, who claimed he could destroy the Malazan army beseiging Karakarang, but didn't want to put his city in danger, so held back. Scary powerful.

That's pretty much Ascendant power isn't it? I mean, if you're a Holy Falah'd, you're pretty much an ascendant aren't you? And Kimloc is considered an Ascendant too isn't he?

Don't think Kimloc has ever been referred to as ascended. Wouldn't be any reason for it. Just very powerful mortals, all of them.

[T'renn]

Tays for the Raw power, Shadowthrone/Ammanas/Kelanved for subtlenes

[Blend]

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Nov 25 2008, 09:43 PM, said:

Tays for the Raw power, Shadowthrone/Ammanas/Kelanved for subtlenes

Bah! Quick Ben beats him at that. He had Shadowthrone fooled as to his identity until he revealed it openly!

[Hinter]

Mcflury, on Nov 25 2008, 07:09 PM, said:

On the Kruppe issue: he's definatly a mage, here's some more proofs to this that haven't been given by people after Hinter wondered:

-Kruppe uses his magic to erase the memory of murillio(?) in GotM, even be it temporary. But he did it anyways
-Kruppe, appart from using his magic to steal food, walks through Baruk's wards without any problem, without Baruk even noticing it... Now, Baruk is a pretty strong mage... you do the math

Hmmm. He could have merely hypnotised Murillio and "The Eel of Dharujistan" would have to be pretty slick at dodging wards etc to carry out his illegal activities.

He is without doubt one of the biggest enigmas in the book, but whether he is a mage or not has yet to be proved imho.

[Traveller]

Mcflury, on Nov 25 2008, 07:09 PM, said:

On the Kruppe issue: he's definatly a mage, here's some more proofs to this that haven't been given by people after Hinter wondered:

-Kruppe uses his magic to erase the memory of murillio(?) in GotM, even be it temporary. But he did it anyways
-Kruppe, appart from using his magic to steal food, walks through Baruk's wards without any problem, without Baruk even noticing it... Now, Baruk is a pretty strong mage... you do the math

I definatly do hope we'll see some portion of Kruppe's power sooner rather than late... of course, Kruppe will only unleash his full being when there truely is no other option, but I'm pretty sure it'll happen.

In fact, I'm afraid that when Kruppe does show his true powers everybody will be struck by awe, he'll become the great hero of the book but will die because he made a certain bold move. I'm not sure I can handle another Coltaine or Beak

Bit more on Kruppe... he does use some unknown (as yet) warren - also, his dream-state actually makes Raest disappear completely as he walks towards Daru, as Crone?/Silanah looks on. Ok, Raest gets out, but still, Kruppe does it intentionally.

Also, the narration in TtH's indicates that he somehow knows what is going on everywhere in the city; he seems to know everyones secrets, eg. Torvalds moranth munitions; and who is arriving by ship, to name a couple. Too much info to be gleaned from contacts alone - his 'Eel' persona seems to be a cover for how he really gets information. It doesn't make him a powerful mage, but he's still an unknown at this point.

Would really be pretty devastating if he gets offed...

[Hinter]

Probably dumb theory coming up:

Is he possibly some kind of avatar or personification of Darujhistan, in a similar way to the holy faladhs of the 7C or the protectress of Li Heng?

[Epiph]

Traveller, on Nov 26 2008, 09:00 AM, said:

Bit more on Kruppe... he does use some unknown (as yet) warren - also, his dream-state actually makes Raest disappear completely as he walks towards Daru, as Crone?/Silanah looks on. Ok, Raest gets out, but still, Kruppe does it intentionally.

Also, the narration in TtH's indicates that he somehow knows what is going on everywhere in the city; he seems to know everyones secrets, eg. Torvalds moranth munitions; and who is arriving by ship, to name a couple. Too much info to be gleaned from contacts alone - his 'Eel' persona seems to be a cover for how he really gets information. It doesn't make him a powerful mage, but he's still an unknown at this point.

Would really be pretty devastating if he gets offed...

I thought he used Mockra. If Seren Pedac's conversation with Mockra in RG is to be taken at face value, everything Kruppe does makes sense: Mockra is the magic of the mind and the language with which the warrens become usable. So Mockra, for slipping past wards and reading the minds of a city and hypnotizing a friend all seems pretty consistent.

[Spindle]

Hinter, on Nov 26 2008, 10:41 AM, said:

Probably dumb theory coming up:

Is he possibly some kind of avatar or personification of Darujhistan, in a similar way to the holy faladhs of the 7C or the protectress of Li Heng?

I certainly like that idea, and it seems to make perfect sense. After all, Baruk and his cabal apparently run the Council, that runs the city. Ask yourself however, who runs the makers and shakers? Kruppe is always playing every single key character for the good of the city and it's citizens. He does always know everything about the city, and if anyone could actually survive as long as the city itself and get away with it, you can be damned sure it's Kruppe.

This post has been edited by Spindle: 26 November 2008 - 08:09 PM

[SonOfDarkness]

Mcflury, on Nov 25 2008, 07:09 PM, said:

On the Kruppe issue: he's definatly a mage, here's some more proofs to this that haven't been given by people after Hinter wondered:

-Kruppe uses his magic to erase the memory of murillio(?) in GotM, even be it temporary. But he did it anyways
-Kruppe, appart from using his magic to steal food, walks through Baruk's wards without any problem, without Baruk even noticing it... Now, Baruk is a pretty strong mage... you do the math

I definatly do hope we'll see some portion of Kruppe's power sooner rather than late... of course, Kruppe will only unleash his full being when there truely is no other option, but I'm pretty sure it'll happen.

In fact, I'm afraid that when Kruppe does show his true powers everybody will be struck by awe, he'll become the great hero of the book but will die because he made a certain bold move. I'm not sure I can handle another Coltaine or Beak

Coltaine or beak?

Im sorry but Kruppe is not near the tragic hero level of coltaine not even Beak.

Id be thrilled if Kruppe makes a bold move towards his demise, so his random spew from his horrendously fat mouth will be tragically mutilated into vast amounts of gorry blood pools that eventually get burried by a ice,soil and lava.

[Mcflury]

SonOfDarkness, on Nov 26 2008, 11:17 PM, said:

Mcflury, on Nov 25 2008, 07:09 PM, said:

On the Kruppe issue: he's definatly a mage, here's some more proofs to this that haven't been given by people after Hinter wondered:

-Kruppe uses his magic to erase the memory of murillio(?) in GotM, even be it temporary. But he did it anyways
-Kruppe, appart from using his magic to steal food, walks through Baruk's wards without any problem, without Baruk even noticing it... Now, Baruk is a pretty strong mage... you do the math

I definatly do hope we'll see some portion of Kruppe's power sooner rather than late... of course, Kruppe will only unleash his full being when there truely is no other option, but I'm pretty sure it'll happen.

In fact, I'm afraid that when Kruppe does show his true powers everybody will be struck by awe, he'll become the great hero of the book but will die because he made a certain bold move. I'm not sure I can handle another Coltaine or Beak

Coltaine or beak?

Im sorry but Kruppe is not near the tragic hero level of coltaine not even Beak.

Id be thrilled if Kruppe makes a bold move towards his demise, so his random spew from his horrendously fat mouth will be tragically mutilated into vast amounts of gorry blood pools that eventually get burried by a ice,soil and lava.

Kruppe is not near the tragic hero level of Coltaine, not even Beak... YET! You never know what might happen in the next books... and I expect Kruppe to play a huge part in them, so you never know how and if this fat little heroism will meet his end.
Appart from that: let the love in my friend, Kruppe is and amireable sucker, you've got to admit that at least

[D'rek]

Ebron. He took down Karsa. 'Nuff said.

[Mcflury]

D'rek, on Nov 30 2008, 03:06 AM, said:

Ebron. He took down Karsa. 'Nuff said.

Huh? When did that happen? I can't remember any mage taking down Karsa ever. Doesn't he just shake off the magic? I'm in dire need of a quote

[Aptorian]

It's in HoC. Where he escapes from the slavepit with Torvald Nom, and he does a second round of slaughter in the City. He busts into the garrison planning on killing everyone, instead the soldiers have hidden under the ceiling and the squad mage throws a net of ruse magic over Karsa. A damn powerfull one too, ment to catch Dhenrabi. A normal person would be burned to ash by the strength of the spell but Karsa's magic resistance is slowly unravelling it. Keep in mind this is also in the beginning of Karsa's travels. It would be interesting to see if that spell would be as effective against Karsa now.

[Excellence]

It's no secret Kruppe's a mage. We're told twice in Gardens of the Moon. They were one-off offhand mentions. You gotta see them and remember it, because he never gets described as that again. One from his pov, the other from someone else's.

[caladanbrood]

Aptorian, on Nov 30 2008, 11:13 AM, said:

It's in HoC. Where he escapes from the slavepit with Torvald Nom, and he does a second round of slaughter in the City. He busts into the garrison planning on killing everyone, instead the soldiers have hidden under the ceiling and the squad mage throws a net of ruse magic over Karsa. A damn powerfull one too, ment to catch Dhenrabi. A normal person would be burned to ash by the strength of the spell but Karsa's magic resistance is slowly unravelling it. Keep in mind this is also in the beginning of Karsa's travels. It would be interesting to see if that spell would be as effective against Karsa now.

You've gotta suspect that he wouldn't make that mistake again...

[Grief]

Why?
He's pretty arrogant, so I can see him walking up to someone like K'rul or Draconus being like "I'm all magic resistant, and im gonna fuck you up, cause I dont like you" and getting completely wtfpwned.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

I think Kruppe seems so powerful because he consorts with gods and ascendants.

[Aptorian]

One ascendant, K'rull... it's not like we see him holding wild parties with all the pantheon. I certainly doubt he made many ascendant friends in MoI or TTH for that matter.