Aptorian, on Nov 22 2008, 08:49 PM, said:
First off the Quick vs Tay power discussion is oooold and impossible to agree upon, but saying Quick is weaker than Tay is in no way certain. Quick has become very powerfull between the Iccy showdown and his attacks on the sisters and Ruin. He also wields (supposedly) all the human accesible warrens with the skill of a high mage. Tay may still beat him through sheer talent and experience... but we all know Quick would cheat

Aye, Quick will always have his goats
Aptorian, on Nov 22 2008, 08:49 PM, said:
Second off, Mages, even the mortal ones, can be very powerfull, in extreme cases they are perhaps the equal of, or superior to, some ascendants. Mages like Tay, Obo, Agyala, Baruk, etc. are not to be triffled with.
This might be just me, but imo mages like Baruk and Tay are well on their way to become ascended... that's how I see it at least. But that probably has to do with me looking at ascendancy as a sort of power level. So what makes someone ascendant and what doesn't? 'cause to me it seems as if any really skilled and determined person becomes ascendant sooner or later, which is basically used by SE to explain why certain characters succeed in doing quite remarkable things most of the time.
Ah well, ascendants rock... you gotta love Cotillion hitting Gesler in the face (or was is Stormy? Argh, doesn't really matter now

) making sure Gesler breaks his nose... but Cot breaks his hand
Aptorian, on Nov 22 2008, 08:49 PM, said:
I'm not sure Rake is a good example of a god that is superior to mages, I think he is their better in skill and range because of his experience and ascendant nature, but Rake draws from a warren just like any mortal mage. He isn't the god of any warren, thus Rakes own suspicion that Shadowthrone might be able to take him in GotM.
That might have something to do with ST being Kellanved who was an extremely powerful mage in his mortal form anyways. I'm not very convinced that becoming a god made kellanved that much uberly stronger... to me it just made him more tireless... and mad.
Ugh, thinking in terms of ascendancy and godhood makes my head spin...