[Tapper]

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 10:14 PM, said:

Ok, some thoughts on the Morgy/Dibs issue.

DIBs has a point that Morgy has been doing funky things, but he always does. Morgy has a point that DIBs is like a dog on a jugular, he is not relenting, and ignoring everything else. But he always does. That is DIBS' style of inno play, which leads me AWAY from both of those two, because they are both innos trying to figure out HOW the other is a killer.

I'm going to go find the case on Lace now, post numbers about where that one is?

PS - if these are the quality of all the "cases", which is what I gathered from my skimming, I think we should kill JA while he sleeps and be done with it.

Lace's case is spread out all over the place. It's his posting style, attitude (which improved) and then my long post which partly focuses on his (deliberate?) misinterpretation of the second lynchtrain and the possibility of a defense of Morgoth in there.

[Gem Windcaster]

Lace also seems to drag up the newb card alot. That coupled with his general posting style...has all kinds of warning sirens go off.


Edit: grammar

This post has been edited by Gem Windcaster: 20 October 2008 - 08:25 PM

[Obdigore]

Lisheo 150
drinksinbars 90
Lacedaemonian 81
Tapper 79
Vengeance 78
Jump Around 74
Morgoth 72
Gem Windcaster 67
mocker 63
dktorode 52
The Dude 47
Obdigore 35
J_Slr 27
baudin 23
Yellow 22
Silencer 21
Gavin 17



And what have we here? Let me go look at Gavins', Silencers', Yellows', and Baudins' posts.

[Gem Windcaster]

Funny how Silencer, Yellow and Gavin are all voting for me.

[Lisheo]

Hmmm have we stumbled onto something unusual here? I did say the killers would want to get rid of the more experienced members while they lay low... Have we got someone trying to start a train for reasons that aren't very nice?

[Obdigore]

Lisheo, on Oct 20 2008, 03:26 PM, said:

Hmmm have we stumbled onto something unusual here? I did say the killers would want to get rid of the more experienced members while they lay low... Have we got someone trying to start a train for reasons that aren't very nice?

Now Now Lisheo, the next poster having less than 2/3rds of your total posts can be seen as suspicious too.

[Lisheo]

Heh I'm a talkative fellow A great deal of those were me and Lace over the break and me trying to catch up with the ten pages of posts that I saw when I checked out the game. And I guess my posting got somewhat out of hand lmao

[Tapper]

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 10:22 PM, said:

Lisheo 150
drinksinbars 90
Lacedaemonian 81
Tapper 79
Vengeance 78
Jump Around 74
Morgoth 72
Gem Windcaster 67
mocker 63
dktorode 52
The Dude 47
Obdigore 35
J_Slr 27
baudin 23
Yellow 22
Silencer 21
Gavin 17



And what have we here? Let me go look at Gavins', Silencers', Yellows', and Baudins' posts.

Gavin's input has been rather significant: running the day 1 train which he later said 'wasn't that good a case', and a case on Gem. Yellow has been seen to somewhat defend Lace, but also voting for him, can't recall a lot aside from it. Silencer stands out due to votes without explaining them. Baudin is new and had his birthday party in the weekend and I think tonight, so that could explain his vote count.

[Lisheo]

Didn't someone have a rather shallow case for Gavin being a killer, now that I think bout it?

[Tapper]

Lisheo, on Oct 20 2008, 10:33 PM, said:

Didn't someone have a rather shallow case for Gavin being a killer, now that I think bout it?

DiBs mentioned it as a possibility:
There arent any real attempts at a case, now there are a few possibilities here, morgo is a killer and his symps and partner threw on alt as a scapegoat to derail the train. 2 morgo looks good for a lynch day 1 cahnces are he is good later and the killers decided to swicth it up to make him look bad. In that case gavin is the killer, but j_slr is second to vote and we know he was inno (though could have been a symp, unlikely)

Given that J_slr is framed as symp from the first train if morgo is a killer taking him out makes it look on surface that morgo is inno, as the killers are targetting the train that saved him, but i dont buy into that reasoning, its just too transparent. For that reason i am going to push my case on morgoth again from yesterday and see if a train suddenly starts somewhere else. The behaviour of the dude and morgoth still strikes me on reread as one of partnership, which would make gavin a possible killer/ symp as well.

Morgy on sunday night in response:
And the whole thing with Gavin being the killer if I am not? How can he be so certain? Gavin didn't agree with the case on me and moved in another direction. Perhaps he did that because he's my symp. Perhaps he did it just because he disagreed? e have no information! Not to mention I do not see the logic making Gavin a killer in the first place. When people get as absolutely confident in their assumptions as does DiBs, my alarm bells start ringing. I don't think DiBs is a killer, but he acts quite like a symp right now.

once again, copy-paste out of my notes, so no page/time/post numbers.

[Obdigore]

From Gavin:

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Well looks to me the case on Morgoth is because he has sent a message to spoilers? If thats the case and it apparently, then thats gayer than a night out with Dibs.

Whats worse people are jumping on it. Come on people seriously we're voting people for sending messages to Spoilers? While Morgy has come across as a bit dodge still don't think its a case for voting on.

Since night is upon us soon and I need to go...
Vote Alt146

For being a little suspicious before and now just jumping on any bandwagon that looks like it might be the lynch.

Then he goes to bed. And he shows up the next day with this

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Ok I'm here. So J_slr was the kill and people actually lynched Alt. Interesting, I find it rather strange, I put a vote on Alt for jumping on a weak Morgoth case and
then suddenly everyone else jumped on Alt as well with hardly any reasoning at all, seemed they wanted to start a train.

Lisheo has been very lynch happy, I know he's a noob and all, but I'm wondering about letting people get away with the noob card and all on us. I'm pretty sure I need to reread Gem as well, something about her struck me yesterday, will go back and do that.

Gavin then made a case against Gem, which I am not going to re-post because it is long and empty.

Gavin then did some brown-nosing with JA, and pointed out that that JA isn't playing as he normally does.

And his vote post from 3.5 hours ago

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Well I am done for the day. Not sure what to make off Venges defence there but he's created some doubt for me.
Since i'm not around for the lynch and I was tossing up between Gem and Venge I guess I'll have to vote Gem. She didn't really seem to try or care about defending herself.

Vote Gem

I don't really see much there, either for him being innocent or guilty. I do see him saying JA isn't being his normal self, then later he brown-noses up. If this was a cult game I would think we had found a recruit.

[Tapper]

Long and empty it might be, but if you flip through the pages after it, I think a handful of people admit they're willing to lynch Gem based on it. (including moi & DiBs).

EDIT: changed flick to flip

This post has been edited by Tapper: 20 October 2008 - 08:40 PM

[Lisheo]

So what exactly has Gavin contributed to the game bar starting the alt train?

[Tapper]

2 cases in 17 posts, including 1 leading to a lynch and being a possible diversion, is a pretty high successrate if he intended it all.

[Lisheo]

Hmm, yeah, but its not a very inno style play, is it? Would he have killed J_Slr, the other guy to start the train, to divert attention from him?

[Obdigore]

Lisheo, on Oct 20 2008, 03:43 PM, said:

Hmm, yeah, but its not a very inno style play, is it? Would he have killed J_Slr, the other guy to start the train, to divert attention from him?

Of course, you jumped on that day 1 train right after Gavin put down the first vote. You also have a HUGE majority in total posts, and seem to always be willing to swing the way the wind is blowing.

Why are you so agreeable there Lish? Why the need to post so much? And have you been on both lynches so far?

[Lisheo]

I actually joined after J_Slr, because I didn't think the argument on Morgy had any basis, and then Alt suddenly popped up and voted for him, which I found scummy, as it was the first day.
Why so many posts, I think I explained that the previous page agreeable? Because I can't see any suspects myself right at this moment, I had theories earlier but DiBs in particular didn't seem to think they had much validity, so *shrugs* im waiting to see what people say and then will make my decision and get off the fence. I didn't vote for the Morgy lynch, or the Gem lynch, I did vote for Vengy cus he seemed to know Alt was inno, but then I didn't think about it clearly enough, really. I voted for Lace because of his general playing style, if you go back and read over my posts you can see I didn't ahve much intention to lynch him, I even removed my vote when I thought I would be away for a long period of time.

[Obdigore]

Anyway,

He derailed the train on Morgo. Morgo is defending him later. He hasn't posted much, except to do what needs to be done, and he seems to have slipped under almost everyone's radar.

My problem with this, is that I don't think that Morgy is a killer.

[Lisheo]

I have made it clear from day one I don't think Morgy is a killer either, so i think we can agree on that at least Obdi I would be suprised if Gem turned up killer, too. Seems to me that J_Slr's death was chosen to throw suspicion on those two, as Ive said before.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day two. There is 1 hours 55 minutes remaining.

16 dancers still getting down: Baudin,Dktorode, DrinksinBars, Gavin, Gem, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian, Lisheo, Mocker, Morgoth, Obdigore Silencer, Tapper, The Dude,Vengeance, Yellow,

9 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

4 Votes Morgoth: DiBs, Lacedaemonian, Baudin, The Dude
3 Votes Lacedaemonian: Vengeance, Gem Windcaster, Tapper
3 Votes Gem: Silencer, Yellow, Gavin,
2 votes Vengeance: Jump Around, Dktorode
1 vote Drinksinbars : Morgoth

Players yet to vote: Lisheo, Mocker, Obdigore,