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NoK info - SPOILERS!

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Posted 11 May 2005 - 01:26 AM

Thanks for that Hetan.

This info on Dassem reminds me of Greymane for some reason, he's still so incredibly mysterious and possibly on a par with Dassem himself (according to Brood). I hope that character turns up soon.

BTW since this book seems to be very well received indeed it would be superb if ICE could get a contract for his own Malazan novels as well. You'd think Transworld at least would be interested....

ICE did say that he is currently rewriting the first novel, I wonder if this is because he knows it will be published or that he hopes it. In any case, I'm thinking that the continent of Assail that Erikson keeps referring to and that everyone is so eager to find out about, might actually be a part of ICE's game plan, since he mentioned in the interview that there are areas that Erikson still hasn't touched and probably won't unless he himself doesn't write them. Assail & Korelli would certainly qualify wouldn't they....
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Posted 02 July 2005 - 07:54 AM

Does anyone else think Edgewalker sounds like a Tiste, perhaps an Edur being in shadow and all?
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Posted 20 June 2005 - 09:03 AM

I've got a couple of questions now that I read it and then gone back through after reading comments here and parsing through the five series books.

Jenna wanted the Ice to come through because she wanted it to free her, right? But I got the sense that this was a gamble on her part and that the Ice taking hold of the Deadhouse was not a sure "good" thing for her. Was she somehow responsible for the Stormriders attack? Or did she just sense it and hope for the best?

What happened to Ferrule? I have only read the series once and cannot remember if his fate was mentioned.

Do we know who or what is killing the Stormriders? For some odd reason unknown I thought maybe that was where Kellanved and Dancer were before their assault on the Deadhouse.

Is NOK the first in the series that ICE has planned or the bridge to that series with the first book being what he already has written? And has he ever refered to what the series would be called to avoid confusion?!

Overall I enjoyed the book very much, though it lurched a bit in the first half. The second half picked up and moved quite well. Though there were a couple of instances that a good editor could have helped. Some of the duplications in action seen through first Kiska's eyes and then Temper's eyes could have been a little less redundant and still manage to convey the information that each was privy to.
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Posted 09 June 2005 - 02:57 AM

I've always thought the whole thing of warrens being anathema to each other was dropped in the long time between GOTM being written and the rest. We know there are lots of things in that book that Erikson would like to correct (god I hope for a rewrite someday), and I've always though that's one of them.

I certainly can't recall it being mentioned since. Feel free to correct me.
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Posted 09 May 2005 - 04:47 AM

Sooo, while I'm impatiently waiting for my copy to arrive and edging around this thread without actually reading ... maybe someone could post a bigger scan of the cover image? To help me waiting?

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 09:07 AM

@Fist Gamet - re: Temper - him not realizing just how good he is was one of the things i loved about that character. The bit towards the end where Kiska watched him take on Possum and another Claw, and then we reread the same scene from his perspective, really made that point.

@Korik - re: patronship - i took patronship to mean a link between the warrior and the power behind him, god or otherwise. Much was made of Surger being a 'patroned champion', and when Temper stood against him, Ferrule later mentioned that people were wondering whether he was hiding a patron.

Re: Talons - i'm pretty sure the Shadow Cult existed before Dancer showed up and took it over. Pralt mentioned that the island belonged to them under the Shadow Moon for one night every hundred years or so, implying a longer existance than the Malazan Empire. My guess is that Dancer took over the cult to secure the link to shadow. He developed the Talons separately, altho apparently with some links. Curiously, some of Surly's Claws apparently joined the Cult, but did not become Talons.

Re: Edgewalker - hmmm.... interesting that some of you thought he was Tiste.

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Posted 08 May 2005 - 10:54 AM

So what is the grand evil that has been unleashed?

Who are the sides in this struggle?
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 07:42 AM

Ice warriors are the Ice spectres then?

What is revealed about Dassem then? Do we get to see what happens to him, that is how he "dies"? Does he disappear and if so, how? Is he injured in battle and if so by whom?
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 01:08 PM

The other reference to the Storm Riders as they are also called is in Blood Follows... where Bauchelain is telling Reece that passage across the sea shouldn't cost them more than a jar or two of blood.. *chuckle*
Not sure if there are any more elsewhere though..?
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 01:42 PM

Imp HIst: there has been plenty of hints dropped regarding the skill and power of daseemm.. so its not so surprising..
after all hes said to have grown enough in power to rival hood;s and he is teh malazan empire first sword after all... with a mage as powerful as tay and an assasin as good as dancer.. why would you think hes worthy of being called first sword..

but still hes cool...

can;t wait to see if hes traveller
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 11:51 PM

Storm riders or ice spectres or Wave riders, they are referred to by various terms...

I re-read this bit last night Posted Image so hope IH doesn't mind if I chuck this in

Surgen Ress was a Holy City patroned champion, mage abetted and temple anointed and as such invested to some considerable degree. He fights with two swords. There is no physical description per se. Dassem (unpatroned etc.) was his match until Surly’s treachery wounded him. Temper managed to stonewall Surgen after Dassem was injured and Point, Hilt and Quillion all fell to Surgens swords. Malazan troops finally broke through the Seven Cities ranks and rescued Dassem, Ferrule and Temper.
Did he survive? yes but .. “That same night Surgen died in a manner never fully explained”. Sounds like Claw to me
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heh.. *sigh* Dassem is the coolest of cool - ICE in fact.. Posted Image
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Posted 10 June 2005 - 06:17 AM

Just regarding a throwaway comment in HoC, regarding the the relationship of Thyr and Tellan. The Queen of Dreams (T'riss) mentioned something along the lines of Thyr and Tellan being ever aligned (the inference, for mine, was towards Tattersail's postion as the new Imass bonecaster).
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Posted 08 May 2005 - 05:53 AM

there is the curious fact about the janghut, jhenna

she seems to be the reluctat guardian of deadhouse...and yet she let kellanved, dancer, surly, tay and co to stay in deadhouse without her being mentioned by any of the old guards... weird....

also temper seems to be a very powerful individual and he didn;t injure rood.. like he said the damage he did was equivilant to that of a wasp sting...

and his helmet is a very distinctive one.. I assumed that dancer rescued him due to recognition to the helmet and not the man...

and can we assume that temper has now become the new guardian of deadhouse with lubben ??

also how come the ice scpectres weren;t mentioned in the later books ? were they extinct by then ?? and how did tay know about osserc levle of power ? as he said that something is holding hte main force of the attack back and letting the leftover be handled by obo and argyle... and we know that its kellanved.....

so we can therefore conclude the long running debate of who is more powerful.. rake of tay..

rake = osserc.

osserc >>>>> tay

hmmm
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Posted 19 May 2005 - 06:41 AM

I've added an ICE article to the wikipedia -- feel free to add to it.
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Posted 21 May 2005 - 05:43 AM

Just regarding Dassem, it was quite an eye-opener in NoK to learn that he and Skinner of the Avowed has already crossed swords.

A question regarding Kiska's (later) identity - she seemed likely to have a brilliant career ahead of her as Tayschrenn's protege. But I can't think of a likely candidate among the mages and assassins and adepts we've met so far in the Erikson books. The only one who could vaguely fit the bill is Blend, one of the last survivors of the Bridgeburners, but I'm unsatisfied. Am I missing someone or something obvious? Of course it's conceivable that we simply haven't been introduced to Kiska yet as an higher echelon operative of Tayschrenn.
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Posted 19 May 2005 - 07:21 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Hetan:
but the rest does fit Posted Image

Yup Posted Image
Dassem with Rake's sword.. ahh I hope he goes after Laseen.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 10:16 AM

@IH, you're right...The "fire" may have occurred after Dassem and his Sword were hors de combat. I cannot recall if the clash with Gryllen occurred "with the empire in Kellanved's time" or with Kellanved in person (my copy of DG is boxed up ready for moving). Of course, we still really have no idea of the timeline. When was 7 cities conquered? Aren (closest to Quon Tali? and the empire's centre) may have been conquered early in the emperor's reign. Hence the later Aren "rebellion" directly after which the Bridgeburners were formed and which clearly precedes Night of Knives. Did the assault on Y'Ghatan (correct spelling for once) represent a reconquest or the 1st conquest of that city by the empire?

So many questions. Anyway at least the circumstances of Dassem's assault on Y'Ghatan answers some of the vexing questions posed in the other forums, viz. why is there no longer a 1st sword? (because Surly wouldn't tolerate such a rival!) and I think it's fairly certain now who is Traveller (as someone remarked earlier and no prizes for guessing who).
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Posted 09 May 2005 - 07:36 AM

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and I would think temper has either become a guardian or a nameless one,.. hes taken on teh role of those 2 guys who died stopping jhenna...


Gothos is guardian of Deadhouse now... and I don't think Temper has the err.... temper to be a nameless one.. Posted Image
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Posted 19 May 2005 - 09:53 AM

...he might be going after Hood... Posted Image
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 02:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Vaiski:
quote:
Originally posted by Hetan:
These sound more like a Tiste race characterisitic?

True. Was it male or female ? Cant remember...
Phaed or Nimander perhaps ?


I can't really imagine one of Anomander's children as a follower of the cult of shadow...
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