Malazan Empire: Mafia 27: The Escape of the Benses (Game Thread) - Malazan Empire

Serc;375595 said:

Erm... Telas doesn't HAVE to be silenced to talk with pictures you know! Take some of your own advice and figure out what is possible before YOU speak...heh?

Kaschan;375642 said:

As I noted earlier, before his drive-by vote, I would be willing to vote for him.

Mockra;375644 said:

SCREW U!



Galain pointed that out to me already, I had not thought of anyone doing that to themselves. Keep reading Mockra, keep reading

Case forthcoming. Please hold.

Kaschan;375620 said:

Agreed. He should at least give a reason. HP is my prime lynch target for the moment. In fact:

vote Hoods Path

A better lynch than Gamelon - and I want to wait until Telas can post again before I decide what I think about the case on him.

Kaschan;375647 said:

Do we get some nifty hold music?

I made a case on HP already, and his entire 2 posts of content... but that was before his other content post, which was a vote on Gamelon, even though he dosen't think Gamelon is scummy...

Serc;375646 said:

Yea? Well... Screw you too. Im on my phone. Numnuts

Mockra;375652 said:

Alt-guess time!

Mockra, what do you think about the case on HP?

well I will be on for the next hour, gone for three, then back for a few more. So I will wait untill it gets closer to night before voting.

Edit: this is on the HP case.

D said:

Quoting yourself is not cool...
But I think I'm missing something here in this to either make it work or to falsify it. I don't know what...
So, please walk with me through the scenario to see if it could mean that this could be repeated and either consistently prevent lynches on Telas and Galain due to this trick, or that it can be used to provoke lynches on them by the killers by repeating it (UB targeting Telas)....

still, the WIFOM idea of Ruse = UB and Telas = BB and this is of course tied to Yellow being UB...

This is every single HP post to date.

[quote name='Hoods Path;374092]Got on just now' date=' won't be able to post much for today...[/QUOTE']

Immediately excuses himself from having to post.

[quote name='Hoods Path;374097]That's reverse psychology' date=' because they would've expected more people to realise that, so they probably picked a random on day 1.[/QUOTE']

Points out a small point about silencing.

[quote name='Hoods Path;374101]Bah' date=' now I've gotta go, see ya guys later for god knows how long.[/QUOTE']

Just posting to say im not gonna post for a bit. Excusing himself again.

[QUOTE=Hoods Path;374200]whats going on eh guys? got back from school, though can't stay on for a while after this post.
What's the vote count, and how long left till night?
g2g again...bah[/QUOTE]

Oh, goodbye, again.

[quote name='Hoods Path;374210]Notice Omtose has voted Ruse' date=' even though he's been silenced? For now though, the trails dead.[/QUOTE']

Contentless post. Didnt even get his facts straight

[quote name='Hoods Path;374226]Oh whoops' date=' messed up my own mind. My bad. Just that with me on the go, and the pics on, I've misread a bit.[/QUOTE']

Sorry post. points out he isnt on much.

[QUOTE=Hoods Path;374257]Who says I'm at work? (ominous music)
Bah, now I've gotta go to bed. Night all.[/QUOTE]

Oh, goodbye again. Is it just me, or is he on less than gamelon, who is sick AND has work?

[quote name='Hoods Path;374636]Grr' date=' got smashed to the ground by some idiot who wasn't watching were he was running today. And I'm pretty sure I'm talking to myself as everyone is either sleeping or at work... real great timing eh?[/QUOTE']

Excusing himself again. Blames timing for low posting, as no one else is around to talk to. He leaves.

[QUOTE=Hoods Path;374675]God dammit I'm being pulled away from my computer time. Just got on and then my mom tells me to do stuf . Brb (hopefully)[/QUOTE]

Hes leaving again. In fact, his whole post was just to say he wasnt posting. Thus-why post at all. Except to remind people it isnt your fault you're low posting.

[QUOTE=Hoods Path;374686]If you ARE the finder, and revealing Omtose as your partner, then what we shouldn't do is lynch one of you as the BB would kill of the other one. This assuming your "reveal" is accurate. But what if you're pulling our legs? Anybody thinking that Mockra ISN'T the finder? Not that the "true" finders, if any are going to reveal themselves. Not that I'm saying I'm a finder. Quoting The Shawshank Redemption:
Everybody in here's innocent.[/QUOTE]

At last. A little bit of content. Oh wait, most of its already been said. Where does this Finder assumption come from?

[QUOTE=Hoods Path;374728]Yes, it does seem that Ruse is a BB or UB, what with revealing Mockra's 'code'. Going on that basis,
Vote Ruse
Hope my judgment is right, and that's me out for today. Dammit, I reckon I'm the lowest poster. Fucking parents making me do house chores.[/QUOTE]

Quickly jumps on the easy lynch bandwagon, with hardly any explanation, except that hes agreeing with the other people, instead of making his own reasons. Oh yeah, he makes sure to remind everyone its not his fault hes low posting. He seems rather insistent about this.

[QUOTE=Hoods Path;375097]*Yawn* Just woke up. Again, I don't have long till school, but here's me.
@ Shadow: no, I did not confuse Kaschan with Ruse, I merely confused myself a self-convince that Omtose was silenced. At your advice on being nice to my parents, ok...[/QUOTE]

Thats another post with fuck all content. And, hes leaving so cant post again.

[quote name='Hoods Path;375104]And...I'm out again. But I did get a good understanding of recent circumstances. Who is silenced' date=' by the way? No sign of the newly silenced? Hopefully I'll be able to contribute a hell of a lot more when I come back, but no promises.[/QUOTE']

"Hopefully I can contribute, its not my fault, so dont lynch me. Of course,ive left myself a way out in case I cant contribute..."

[QUOTE=Hoods Path;375304]Back, finally, after a long time.
Telas, are you saying you're a dead man? Why's that?
Gonna read up again, methinks my information is outdated...[/QUOTE]

Again, little content.

[quote name='Hoods Path;375320]calling your butt a state of emergency is suspicious? Sorry' date=' this is my attempt at decoding pictures.[/QUOTE']

More jokes, less content.

[QUOTE=Hoods Path;375326]Sorry, I never was any good at charades or anything similar. They also say a picture's worth a thousand words, so how many words is that altogether?

Edit: forgot 'n' in many[/QUOTE]

Yay, more jokes. Anyone see any content?

[quote name='Hoods Path;375334]So what's this mean' date=' eh?[/QUOTE']

Asking questions, saying nothing about his opinions. Yet more contentless posts. Just enough to stop him becoming massively obviously a non-contributing.

[QUOTE=Hoods Path;375341]Galain and Serc are partners? Asses are getting the meanings wrong? wtf
Now I g2g bed. Night all.[/QUOTE]

Jokes. Then leaves.

[QUOTE=Hoods Path;375573]Here again.
Gamelon doesn't strike me as scummy, although I have to admit his self vote is alarming. That he voted himself and gave a reason of feeling shitty can be seen as a way to try avert attention from the true bastard. Or he could be really feeling shit Well, if he really is trying to get out of this game, then:

Vote Gamelon[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hoods Path;375582]B4 I go,
@ Liosan,
Yea, I think everyone's forgotten me...maybe I'm unloved lol jks
Even I can't fanthom why I'm not being cornered and interrogated. After all, I am the lowest poster, aren't I?
Now I REALLY gotta go or I'll be late.[/QUOTE]

Drive by vote on the person who looks like hes gonna get lynched, no explnation. Sound familiar?

In fact, he even says he doesnt think the guys scum.

If you dont think someones scum, you dont vote them. Simple as that.

[quote name='Hoods Path;375580]Right' date=' I'm out again. Now I really have got to be the lowest poster by now.[/QUOTE']

Joking about low-posting. He seems to be VERY insistent its not his fault. Constantly trying to make sure no one suspects him much. Worried scum checking that hes not suspected? He also makes sure he has enough posts that he isnt by far the lowest, but hes only had about 3 posts with content, and 2 of them have been rather suspect.

Theres my case.

In short: Low posting, but insistent its not his fault. Constantly excusing himself. Massive lack of content. Drive by voting on the people who seem to be getting close to a lynch, with little/no explanation, or at most just copying other peoples reasons.

I don't know that they could continue to use it to prevent either of them from being lynched, but it would keep them both from being lynched today, and depending on BB/UB actions, possibly tomorrow, at the least.

And this whole thing dosen't help the innos at all, from what I can see, which is why it seems... strange to me for Galain to have posted it much at all.

Unless someone can see how that could possibly help the inno town, I think the 'case' Galain put up on Telas is a mark against Galain, and possibly telas if people think they are working together.

D said:

Well I admit I didn't think it thru your point of view and missed the ramifications it could have.

Galain;375662 said:

no problem... I'm still not certain that it created any semi-permanent invulnerability or a big trap that the killers can shut at will. I share some of Serc's concern though... (wait, what!? - I'll have to withdraw that statement )

On a secondary note... this was the thing you referred to a lot of posts ago (smth like I won't post it now, but later?)

Shadow;375535 said:

Not to resurrect the pissing contest or anything, but asking for town permission to change votes, as it seems you are doing here, is scummy.

It just seems to me like someone who is afriad of offending anyone.

This seems scummy, but it may just be a nervous inno who doesnt want lynched.

Edit: HP seems far more scummy, and im annoyed that I will most lie not see a defence for quite some time. More so because I am leaving in half an hour, then have school tommorow(ironic eh? That im going after HP for inactivity, when he says he has school, but at least Im trying to contribute when Im not away, and it seems to me that he could at least make time for a bit more.)

Anyway, Goodnight, see you all 4:30ish tommorow(gmt)

Alright, I'll be away for a while. I'll be back before I go to bed though, if anyone wants to discuss something then.

Kaschan;375562 said:

Mafia lesson time... no, I'm almost certainly no more qualified to give lessons to anyone else.

1. The problem is that high posters give fuel for cases. It will always be like that, unfortunately. All the "cases" made against quiet players today have run into the problem that you can't condemn someone for what they don't say - so getting a lynch on them is hard. Personally I'd love it if no one ever laid low: scum, inno roled or not.

2. I am noticing a misconception with regards to what constitutes wifom. Wifom refers to a situation where there are two (or sometimes more) conclusions that are logically equivalent, based on the same information. Basically two things with approximately equal probability of being valid.

"Maybe UB silenced himself." is Wifom because maybe UB knew you would think that and purposefully silenced someone else. Which leads back to the possibility that UB knew you would think that and silenced himself... it never ends.

"X NKed Y because Y was attacking X" Is Wifom because maybe Z killed Y because he knew X would take the heat. This one never ends either.

Wifom = infinite logical loop.

What you have mentioned, "if he was the killer, doing this is to his advantage because..." in NOT wifom because if he was doing things (especially on multiple occasions) which are specifically advantageous to scum then he is the probability that he's scum is noticeably higher than the probability of him being town.

Hoods Path;375573 said:

Gamelon doesn't strike you as scummy, but your putting him at L-2? WTF!? I cannot condone that. Looks more like you're trying to keep the lynch moving but trying to put yourself in a position to say that you never really thought he was scummy anyway...

At this point my vote is going here when I finish reading.

Liosan;375577 said:

Suspicion based solely on playstyle is teh stupid. Especially if that style is "smooth". Basically it comes down to suspecting someone because they aren't suspicious... WTF?

The underlined bit is something I agree with to a small degree.