Malazan Empire: Mafia 27: The Escape of the Benses (Game Thread) - Malazan Empire

NOOOO!!
ah, shit
I was showering

ger
guess i'll got eat supper, then write up a case or two... all by my lonesome, Since we're stilll 4-5 hours away tfrom when Silencer shows up to mod.

With all the flack low-posters have been getting, I feel that there is someone who's slipping under the radar of the mighty iquisitorial minds of D'riss, Serc and Teals who have sort of taken over this game.

that person is none other than our resident day 1 Silencee, Kaschan


Following his un-silincing, his contribution has been sizeable--too much to include here, but this is a representative sample

[QUOTE=Kaschan;374942]I can TYPE! Its a MIRACLE!

Ok, quickly catching up. Nice to see everyone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;374949]I can TYPE! Its a MIRACLE!

Ok, quickly catching up. Nice to see everyone.

Edit: Healers are useful and should only very rarely reveal. This isnt one of those times. Dont.

Ruse was lynched for role speculation/revealing others roles pretty much yes?
I feel this is fair enough. Even if he wasnt evil its a very stupid thing to do, and hinders the innos.

Oh yeah, while I remember i'm gonna try explain the Fener thing. Something he said was very close to what PS quoted UB saying in his pm to me. Basically UB said Silence Kaschan because I don't like that role . This was strikingly close to something Fener said. As I tried to say it could very easily be coincidence. In short, I was a bit suspicious and was prodding Fener to see if I got a suspicious reaction. There wasnt one, so for the moment i am happy enough he isnt UB.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;374959]Wow, cross-postage.

I've edited in my reasons for fener in the above post. If you cant be bothered with them, then basically I was mildly suspicious and prodding for a suspicious reaction.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;374970]Healer putting themselves in the line of fire like that is rather silly, so I doubt he would be.

Risking a roled pair for the chance of catching them is also rather silly, as the amount of roles in this game is larger than the amount of evils, and it isnt unreasonable to asumme at least one and maybe more is paired.

I also doubt he was UB, as I reckon UB wouldnt do that. Its just far too risky, and doesnt seem likely to work. So im inclined to believe he just made a mistake/played silly.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;374975]I reckon that the teasing thing probably isnt gloating and just amounts to teasing. After all, you know some of the people on this board...

The most interesting point I saw was the one you made about content.
He does seem, basically, to post lots in the way of posts, and little in the way of actual content.
He also seems to be trying rather hard to make sure he doesnt annoy anyone or make them suspicious of him, with his constant joking, which would allow him, if he did something suspicious, to call it "just a joke" later on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;374994]Here are some Tennes quotes, in order to try and find a reason why he would be killed. Unless people think it was random?

Tennes main call was for people to give Ruse some time to reply, and explain. He was being reasonable, which in itself could be cause for a nk, eliminating a player he thinks things through.

His main conflict was his aruments with serc, many of which are quoted above. I doubt that serc(if he was the killer) would be stupid enough to kill the person that he had been fighting with, as it seems rather obvious,but you never know, I could very easily be wrong.

Also, we have to consider the possibility of someone inactive being evil. The problem is, we cant lynch all of them in the hope of hitting an evil. There are so many of them, so its entirely possible at least one, and wouldnt even be that surprising. What do people think?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375010]My point is that 2 games ago that is pretty much exactly what the killer did. Eliminated the person calling him out, so im not ruling it out.

Healers perhaps should reveal to save from a lynch if no other way is possible. If nothing else it makes the killers waste a nk. The only thing is, with all that Ruse had just done, would anyone have believed it wasnt just a fake reveal to save himself?

Personally I reckon he wasnt a healer. I dont reckon any healer would really do anything like that. Healers are too valuable to risk themselves like that, not on something so uncertain as that. Whereas a Roleless Inno may think that risking himself was worth the chance of catching a the killers.

Edit: The other thing is that it makes you seem more innocent. "I cant be the killer because if I was I would never be stupid enough to kill someone calling me out", a rather nice wifom argument making you seem more innocent. So you could, potentially, be a very clever killer, as it wouldnt make you seem suspicious, as no one would think you stupid enough to kill someone calling you out. Just pointing out that you shouldn't be assumed inno in any way, just because of that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375103]Back.

What I don't get with HP is that he comes on just to post that he has to leave.

If thats the case, why post at all. Theres just no reason for a post of "g2g".

Also, HP posts something about mockra revealing as finder. I think i've missed something here.

At what point did either of the "CIs" with the code say they were finders.

I may have missed something.

No offence, but i'm not sure why they're considered CI at all. A code just isnt enough. If it was, killers would use them more for fake reveal later. My main thing on them is "gut feeling", which as i'm sure you'll agree to, isnt really enough, I'm just not particularly keen on how omtose was playing. This doesnt mean hes a killer. Is there some other reason why they seem to be considered CI(theyve been referred to as it several times). As i've said, I dont think a code is enough.

I'd also be interested to know if you(omtose and mockra) revealed as anything, cause I cant remember it happening, and i'm damned if I can think of a good reason why not to, if its "known" they're roled anyway due to the codes, then why not say what you are. If there is a good reason, point it out(don't reveal just because I cant see a good reason, it certainly doesnt mean there isnt one). Whether we know what you are or not isn't likely to make he killers change who theyre going for,and it seems likely to be you. Lets face it, they want to hit roled innos. I reckon the only reason one of you wasnt targetted(assuming you are inno) was cause a healer is very likely still to be out there, and healing one of you. The only thing that comes to mind why not to say what you are is the chance of another saying "actually, you're not. I am".

If there is another reason, could someone point it out to me. Or if they have said and i've missed it.

I'm just not sure you're CI. I'm not sure you're scum either, but I really don't think half a code is enough evidence for me, and I cant remember seeing any other evidence. I'm sceptical.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375105]With luck there will be no newly silenced. If ruse was UB, which personally I doubt.

Funny how you assume that there will be someone else silenced...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375116]Not looking at everyone.

Was looking at fener, but now im not, cause of not over-reaction.

Was looking at Omtose/Mockra, because I was confused and didnt understnand something.

Am looking mainly at Serc, for his over-reactions and agressive play.

Also i'm looking at low posters slightly, just because they dont get lynched often, and you cant tell anything about them, making it a very easy place for killers to hide, so they worry me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375129]Im not looking at fener because the PM thing that could me suspicious wasnt much, and all I was doing was trying to see if I could get a massive guilty-over reaction. I didnt so i'm not very suspicious.

I dont like the amount hes contributing but lots of people are doing that.

Also Serc seems more suspicious to me, with his agressive play and over-reactions.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375138]Its things like this.
"Why are you lying" etc just seems rather agressive. A simple explanation would do.

You are not the only person doing this(gamelon also seems to) but I noticed you first.

This doesn't mean you're evil. Just thats I dislike people not just explaining when it is perfectly simple to.

For example, I have explained here, why I find you suspicious rather than. "Fuck off".

Although i've just seen gamelons post, so hes up there too.

Edit: Shadow-just a point to add to your lovely case. Feners defence was just WIFOM. Although atm im not inclined to go for a lynch on inactivity and wifom.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375149]Thanks for clearing that up.

Glad I know what you are now. Vigs. Hmm, well thats a pity I suppose(not that we've got vigs, just that it reduces the chances of paired finders).

*tomato*

I'm a bit confused though.

If you killed Tennes, then why no nk from BB?

I think thats one of the main questions we must consider.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375173]I doubt tennes was hit by both.

Heal is entirely possible, though the odds are small.

HOWEVER: I think deception to try get a guard reveal+inno lynch is very probable.

Killer holds off kill.
Guard reveals-I guarded x.
x is lynched, turns out inno.
Killer knows who guard is.
Innos possibly lynch guard for killer.

Guard(s), do NOT reveal, unless you are ABSOLUTELY certain you are right.

In fact, for that matter, no one reveal, unless you are.

Edit: Liosan. You suck. You forgot to throw a tomato.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375177]Goodnight.

School tommorow.

Will be back around half past 4pm gmt. Ought ot have time to do stuff tommorow. See you all then.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375478]Back. Just did a quick catch up.

@Mockra. I said I was glad I knew what you were, because it was irritating me not knowing mainly. I was unhappy because it reduced the chance of paired finders, which I would have preffered to vigs(no offence).

I reckon Gamelon is refusing to defend because it stops people picking apart his arguments. Its worked before, just people refusing to post and avoiding lynching.
Voting for yourself is just pain aggravating, it annoys me to no end, and is a tactic I despise.
So for now:

Vote Gamelon

We cant take back the vig, so theres no point complaining over it. Tennes was being rather suspicious, and obnoxious. Its supicious, and leads me to wonder if you're just so upset because they hit UB or something. After all, we were told that someone would be silenced even if he was hit in the night. You're over-reacting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375486]Telas.

Why are you faking it?
Do you want lynched?

Or something similar.

Also, i think hes just hoping that because hes not posting it will give people doubts over time, as hes not here to argue against, or defend himself, so his defense cant have holes picked in it, and people will start doubting themselves.

Im on a slow computer atm, so if im asked a question please give me a lot of time to reply. This will also mean if you post and i post it will probably be in reply to something a while ago, so i'll try to remember to adress it to whoever its at.

If im just repeating stuff in a cross post, sorry.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375495]Even if you dont think you will contribute, if you're inno getting yourself lynched doesnt help any of us.

Voting for yourself is just stupid, and a tactic thats really annoying.

Edit: I think Telas' last message was "cross-post"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375522]Who would you suggest instead.

I am open to any suggestions.

My vote is mainly on him because:

a) Self voting REALLY rubs me the wrong way.
B)I find refusing to defend suspicious
c)He is acting suspiciously, but there are cases on this so im not gonna list all the reasons.

You are assuming he is sick and not lying about it. Fair enough he could be, and its unproveable either way.

G2g for dinner. Back in half and hour-an hour. Talk more then.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375562]Dont suppose a post count is possible.

Also I dont see any reason to hang the highest posters. The fact is, some people have more time than others, so can post more.

WIFOM features to some degree or other in almost all cases. Most cases take evidence and say "if he was the killer, doing this is to his advantage because..." etc. You cant avoid it.

The fener case is rather weak. I wanted a reaction, didnt get one, and he hasnt posted much. The thing i prodded over isnt worth a lynch, and he didnt over-react, so other than "low-posting" there isnt much. And lots of others are guilty of that.

Shadow seems to have left the limelight today rather, so id prefer to hear what people still think of him.

Also you Serc.

Although the way you're playing isnt irritating me as much now. Perhaps because you've toned it down from pressure, or because ive just got used to it.

Oh yeah, there seemed to be a bit of suspicion on D'riss earlier, but im unable to go back and find it atm, so could anyone quickly summarize it for me?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375583]HP: I'm afraid that im not happy with you now.

Its entirely possible that gamelon is sick.

Im happy hes going to defend himself, because it makes me suspicious for reasons ive said. Hes also removed his self-vote.

You on the other hand, have just done one of the most suspicious things i've seen recently. You have jumped in after not participating for ages. Thrown in a vote that takes us to L-2, and that'd be L-1 if gamelon hadnt decided to remove his vote and defend himself. That puts us very close to a lynch, and all you were saying was that "he didnt strike you as scummy" and joking around. One would think it was a joke vote. I would prefer you not to have this excuse later. DOn't play sheep. If you are making a vote then there should be a reason, and you should be trying to find scum. Telas refused to vote Ruse as he didnt think he was scum. You are doing exactly the opposite. You are voting him while stating you dont think he is scum. Why vote then. All he has to do is post once a day to avoid modkill, and one inno at the end could make all the difference.

Edit: And now you just bugger off after tossing in your vote.

Thus sir. Explain yourself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375587]Im more unhappy about the fact that his explanations were just ridiculous.

You voted him because you thought he didnt want to play?

If so, hed have got himself modkilled.

Edit: Sorry people, im not gonna be around(again) for the last few hours. Im gmt and have school tommorow, so will be on probably 11 at latest.

Also, because I really dislike the way is playing, as well as what he did just now, and gamelon seems willing to defend himself now(his lack of doing such being a main reason i had my vote on him)

remove vote
vote Hoods Path[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375591]I am happy to wait and see if he defends himself, and what HP just did is suspicious as hell to me.

Once we hang BB once I reckon everyone will be looking at everyone. Really its back to day one. And telling if anyones posting style changes will be hard as hell.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375604]Ruse cant have been UB.

We wouldnt have someone silenced. Hes the only one who can silence. If UB is killed at night he would still be silenced, but not at day.

You think that Ruse was UB, but Telas is silenced, and therefore BB. Ok, hes been throwing more accusations around, which is a bit suspicious, but now its day two, there's more to go on, so most people are making more cases etc.

I also disagree with lynching someone while they're silenced. I think thats its just trying to get an easy lynch when he cant defend himself. Thats how it seems to me. You seem just to be trying to get an easy lynch on anyone, and as he cant defend himself, hes a prime target.

The only time I reckon lynching someone silenced would be OK would be when most or at least some of the evidence came from before the player was silenced.

If you are so convinced he is BB, then at least you could wait until he can present a defence, or watch him after he is unsilenced, and if he keeps being suspicious then present a case.

Your case is weak and rifled with inconsistencies.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375613]Note when i posted this I hadnt seen that your case thought he was faking, as you said that when I cross posted with you.

Edit: If no one is silenced after this I will have a long think about it. As it would either mean you are right, UB is playing dead, or that wheover we lynch today was UB. Thats three options, so its a 1/3 chance you're right. If no one is silenced a few days after it comes down to 1/2. It would also depend on how suspicios whoever we lynch today is. Atm im not inclined to take action on something like this though.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Kaschan;375620]Yeah thats basically it. Its a drive by with no justification' date=' and it seems hes giving himself a way out if he comes under suspicion for it as well. Not only that but he has been low-posting as well, and has contributed little.[/QUOTE']

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375642]What does everyone think about HP?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaschan;375634]Well, you are right in your thing about making sure to get rid of the vig power before BB is hung. That happening was something I was rather afraid would happen.

The problem with the guard role is that, BB may hold off, and then the guard reveals, an inno is lynched, and BB knows who guard is.

Finders are more of a threat because they/he will know for CERTAIN that he is BB if a find is performed on him.[/QUOTE]

as an aside--Kaschan was also the author of the case on HP, so a lot of what I say here will really depend on what the CF will eventually tell us.

One thing I can't help but notice though, is that Kaschan dedicates a LARGE amount of time to role speculation. Starting with the healer debate that was brought up by DiBs and continued by his demise, and then onto dicussing finders and guards...Now, this may be nothing, but I can't help but think back to the simple rule that "role spec only benefits scum". Also, I realize that we have wrote this off as WIFOM, but there is still always a chance that Kaschan WAS actually UB....

ofc, if HP ends up being BB (please, oh please!), i'll take back every word of this, but for now, there are these couple of things that irk me about Kaschan, and I figured I should bring them to your attention

I am here as well, but since HP has been lynched there is not a lot to be done at this point till we see the results of the CF. If HP is Big Ben then any cases done previously we can just throw out since the game starts again from fresh basically. We'd need to go back and look for any connections to HP as well for the symp.

JA is normally around in an hour or two so I guess we'll find out there.

hope this happens soon... although I have a day off tom, I still want to go to bed soon...

It is day 2. 0 Hours left in the day.

13 players alive, 7 to lynch and to go to night

2 votes Gamelon (Telas, Hoods Path)
1 vote Serc (D'riss)
7 Votes for Hoods Path (Kaschan, Liosan, Serc, Omtose, Mockra, Shadow, Mockra, Gamelon)

3 Players have not voted (Barghast, Fener, Galain)


Hood's Path has been lynched. He was Innocent
It is night.
Scene and CF coming shortly.

Sorry about the delay.

still waiting... though about to dose off face first on the keyboard

Another long day. Gamelon seems to be sick and begs to be sent back to Hood's Gate.

However, as the one named Hood's Path pops in and helps Gamelon achieve his dream despite his own convictions, the crowd turns on him and beats him to death.

To repeat for the tired Fener who can't see well:



It is day 2. 0 Hours left in the day.

13 players alive, 7 to lynch and to go to night

2 votes Gamelon (Telas, Hoods Path)
1 vote Serc (D'riss)
7 Votes for Hoods Path (Kaschan, Liosan, Serc, Omtose, Mockra, Shadow, Mockra, Gamelon)

3 Players have not voted (Barghast, Fener, Galain)


Hood's Path (acehunter99) has been lynched. He was Innocent
It is night.

alt, plz?

and let's hope that the UB at least is dead.

Ooops, corrected.

ah, merci

well, that alt tells me little aside from the fact that he was noob-ish... and may have been sincerely pressed for time. Damn.

Still, hoping for the best, as I drift off to slumberland.... back in about 7-8 hours to see what's been happening here.

Just checking in before lectures to say: Fuck I was pretty sure he was BB.

After hearing that last night's kill was the act of your own paranoid friend, you find it hard to fall asleep again.

Still, very shortly, and surprisingly easily - another manifestation of those bastard Mages' magic? - the Queen of Dreams takes you.

You have this horrible nightmare that you wake up to someone screaming their heart out.

Oh, wait....

Shadow (Bent) is dead. He was innocent

***


This is day 3. 36 hours left in the day.

11 players alive, 6 to lynch or to go to night.


11 have not voted (Barghast, D'riss, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Kaschan, Liosan, Mockra, Omtose, Serc, Telas)

Uhm... We didn't do it.

So either the healer protected us night one, The killer held his kill, Or we both killed tennes.

Well that rather sucks, HP not BB and Shadow gone now as well.
Interesting choice on Shadow he was vaguely suspicious and I was thinking about looking at a case on him today.

Normally there is someone sticking out as the killer, but for me at least the field is reasonably even at the moment. Might need to go back and reread the thread.

Shadow is a very interesting choice by the killer...i would bet that he was blocked by the healer one night 1 by trying fo one of us...and knows he has a 50/50 chance of getting blocked again by trying to kill one of us lovers. So he is trying to first kill of a few more inno's before trying one of us again.

Also im sure he wanted to figure out for himself if he was being blocked by a healer or a guard...so went for someone the healer definitely isn't healing.

Mockra;375799 said:

I would think Blocked by the Healer as well, unless he decided to go for Tennes Night 1, which is possible I suppose.

But the rest seems right to me.

So got a favorite person who seems a likely BB at this point? I have 2 or 3 people who I want to go look back at before I do anything else.

Fener;375741 said:

Was done in the last benses game, worked out fine.

Gamelon;375731 said:

And your reason for not giving HP a chance to reveal is?.....

About Fener's 762, the case on Kaschan. Its causing me a little bit of internal conflict.

1. Why is he making a case between the hammer and lynch result? Despite the last line of that post it looks like he knew HP would come up innocent.

2. The thing he mentions about role spec is true to a degree and as such there is some validity to the whole thing... but the timing still erks me.

I think he comes of slightly scummier overall after that case.