[Gem Windcaster]

You mean AWESOME?

[Kage-za]

There were so many references to the chains that Draconus forged in making Dragnipur. Did anyone else think the hidden significance of Dragnipur's breaking is that we now have a new logical choice to seek dominion over the house of Chains after the CG is dealt with: Draconus

This would follow with Hood and ST's opposition to the CG as well. Moreover, a redeemed, benevelent god on the throne of chains would be able to return salvation into a positive force. If we're looking for a more selfish motivation for Hood, he could even want the position for himself, although I don't see the same foreshadowing.

[Abyss]

re Ditch's eye - i took that as part Apsalara returning a gesture to Rake from back when he was going to let her live for robbing Moon's Spawn and she tried to backstab him. The other point i suspect was that it gave Rake access to the child god/pattern's power, since we see him use the pattern in freeing the gate and moving it to Black Coral's throneroom.

re Dragnipur - i'd guess that particular sword thru the head would take out anyone, draconic soletacen included.


- Abyss, could say Rake kept one eye on the big picture....

[Kage-za]

I loved how Hood gets cut off for the second time in a few pages when talking to Tok - "Your missing eye, about that-". At the time I totally thought that Tok was going to get Ditch's eye.

[Abyss]

Kage-za;365333 said:

I loved how Hood gets cut off for the second time in a few pages when talking to Tok - "Your missing eye, about that-". At the time I totally thought that Tok was going to get Ditch's eye.

That might hjave been neat, but it did seem that Hood finished telling Toc whatever he intended to - we just didn't get to hear it. Plus it appears Toc is still in service to the War Gods in some respect.


- Abyss, could say Togg and Fanderay decided to keep an eye out for Toc....

[Optimus Prime]

That's not a bad idea Abyss. Perhaps the eye, there is power in blood as we know, served as a means for Rake to access that extra power...hmmmmmm

[Zendog13]

Prefers liver....with fava beans a light Chianti

[Abyss]

It's not a light chianti, it's a NICE chianti. If you're going to quote Hannibal Lec[linet]h[/linet]ter, get it right!

What's interesting is that Rake couldn't have known Drac was working on a pattern spell, or that Kakanutjob was altering it into a god... which in turn would not have worked to stop Chaos, or, likely, Rake in the latter case. So the child-god gave Rake an unexpected power boost, which in turn may have meant more happened than expected.

- Abyss, takes his fictional serial killers seriously...

[HoosierDaddy]

Abyss;368913 said:

It's not a light chianti, it's a NICE chianti. If you're going to quote Hannibal Lechter, get it right!


- Abyss, takes his fictional serial killers seriously...

Not to be a pedantic War Bear God or anything, but it's Hannibal Lecter.

- HD, pointing out other people's mistakes but never realizing his own since 1980.

[Skywalker]

HoosierDaddy;368934 said:

Not to be a pedantic War Bear God or anything, but it's Hannibal Lecter.

- HD, pointing out other people's mistakes but never realizing his own since 1980.

Or put another way, if you're going to name Hannibal Lecter, get the name right?

Skywalker - enhancing cheekiness... also since 1980

[Abyss]

editted, you bloody spelling kgbear fanatics, editted!!!!!

- Abhyss, will take care not to ref charles manshon, jeffery dhamer or the menendhez boyz...

[Shurque's biatch]

Abyss;361396 said:

- Abyss, notes nihilism is counter-productive...

nihilism = philisophical coitus interuptus?

Spintick took the place of annoying whiney Tiste Andii for me.

By the time Mommy Dark made her appearance I was already so numb from HoL, Traveller=Dassem=AWESOME, Rake (pretty much everything about him) and Hood making an appearance in the flesh, that it barely registered.

But wowowowow, the ending was spectastic.

WHO IS THE BABY GOD KARSA NEEDS TO KILL????

[Gem Windcaster]

It doesn't say 'baby god' it just says 'god'.

[Abyss]

Yah, i think you're mixing Picker's message with the end of the child-god in Dragnipur.

As far as i can recall, Karsa's only relevant vow was to break the CG's chains and set him free in the 'stick my sword in him' sense. Of course, when he went to the CG's warren to take out Rhulad, he was right there in fron of the CG and he didn't exactly start chopping, likely because he knows it's more complicated than just hack chop done.

That being said, what the War Gods want or think they know may not be what Karsa chooses to do.

- Abyss, prefers veal chop...

[Optimus Prime]

The first thing I did when I saw MD return was jump up and scream because I had been predicting we'd only see her if Rake died since I joined the forum.

The one prediction I completely nailed.

And I didn't have to buy her drinks first either

[fafner]

ohh did i see it wrong or was the whole mind of the smiths helper a nap to the whole ayn rand thing?

[HoosierDaddy]

fafner;369657 said:

ohh did i see it wrong or was the whole mind of the smiths helper a nap to the whole any rand thing?

Rand has a different person in his head. Chaur might now have a normal mental capacity. Two different things.

[fafner]

nope i mean the whole Objectivism. how he thinks in objects ect

[Neffarias Muffins]

Oh, Ayn Rand, not Rand al'Thor.

But wait, Objectivism states that the individual must exist for its own sake, and not sacrifice itself for the betterment of others. In that context, Chaur is the exact opposite of a Randian Objectivist. He's completely loyal to Barathol and thinks in terms of love and hate. Plus he saved Barathol's ass a couple of times in the climax of the book. Ayn Rand found the initiation of force to be immoral.

I wonder if you're perhaps overthinking this. Sometimes a big Chaur is simply a big Chaur. (*rimshot*)

[Mentalist]

Since ièm assuming this is the "I've just finished it" thread, i'll write my comments here

I felt the book was slow. like, VERY slow
Untill the last 70 pgs or so. then it just went "wow"

I can proudly laugh in the faces of all those who told me with foam at their mouths that

Spoiler

there ARE NO HOUNDS OF LIGHT

Rake has created a new level on the scale of respectability.
Hood is
a) A Jaghut (for those who failed to believe it)
the one who will probably win it all in the end, somehow--throughout the entire book, my admiration for him just kept growing

Spoiler

TOC IS BACK!!!! I TOLD YOU!!! I TOLD YOU ALL!!!!

seems SE has taken to the habit of mentioning the title of the next book in the ending parts of the one about it--in RG we hear of "the Hound's toll", now in ToH there's the "Dust of dreams"

I think I caught the minor spoiler from RotCG that someone warned us about...

Oh, and needless to say i'm even more lost than ever as to how the series can possibly end with any kind of a conclusive conclusion.