[Vengeance]

Urb how did you miss Spinnock Durav not dying?

[Blend]

Vengeance, on Sep 30 2008, 06:38 PM, said:

Urb how did you miss Spinnock Durav not dying?

I figure much like everyone else, he was flying through the last 150 or so pages... Was just so frakking AWESOME!

[Urb]

After the slow start of the book, I sort of just skimmed my way through the rest off it on my first read.
To be honest, I didn't really care for about 70% of this book

EDIT: No wait. What Blend said :

This post has been edited by Urb: 30 September 2008 - 06:46 PM

[Ain't_It_Just_]

I thought I'd never lay hands on this book. I was suffering as the forum's population bent together in collective debate whilst I stood headbutting a wall on the sidelines. But I got it!!!

When SE said the perspective was going to be told by kruppe, I was a little uneasy. But no worries, the only thing that annyoed me about that was the stupid ox.

All in all, another fantastic addition to to the fabled MboTF. Congrats, Mr. Erikson.

And Rake dying? WOW. Didn't see that one coming. Seriously, though, he seemed so invincible. I loved when Spindle came in at the end. But all the same, was very sadface at the death's of Mallet and Bluepearl.

Btw, on Traveller; was anything given away in TtH that is depicted in RotCG? Hope not.
EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot about Hood's armies. What an awesome moment. Especially when we had the BB's, the Seventh and the Grey Swords all fighting alonside each other. man I would not like to be in front of that thing.

This post has been edited by Ain't_It_Just_: 04 October 2008 - 08:41 AM

[Sindriss]

Urb, on Sep 30 2008, 08:45 PM, said:

After the slow start of the book, I sort of just skimmed my way through the rest off it on my first read.
To be honest, I didn't really care for about 70% of this book

EDIT: No wait. What Blend said :

Then I am sorry for you, although the book is slow in its pace often it is still so great, you just have to be able to like events that isn't necessarily heavy packed action. Hope I don't sound too arrogant

[Urb]

Sindriss, on Oct 4 2008, 11:48 AM, said:

Urb, on Sep 30 2008, 08:45 PM, said:

After the slow start of the book, I sort of just skimmed my way through the rest off it on my first read.
To be honest, I didn't really care for about 70% of this book

EDIT: No wait. What Blend said :

Then I am sorry for you, although the book is slow in its pace often it is still so great, you just have to be able to like events that isn't necessarily heavy packed action. Hope I don't sound too arrogant

It is a good book. Very well written. But some parts are really boring. It's all in the eyes of the beholder.

I find it interesting that so many peoøle seem to dislike the Mhybe and Felisin. I thought the Mhybe had a very small part to play in MoI. And she supplemented Kruppe's character development very nicely. As for the Felisin-Baudin plot, that was one of my favourit parts of the entire series.

So try to look at it this way: It took eight installments of the Malazan book of the fallen before Urb found something he didn't like about it. Whereas there are lots of other hardcore fans who bitch and moan about the earlier books.

This post has been edited by Urb: 05 October 2008 - 12:45 AM

[Jude]

Urb I can totally see your point. While i enjoyed how different Toll seemed to be from the others, I still wouldn't put it up there with MoI and DG or even tBH which I have a weird connection to for some reason, don't ask why. Again though, that's not to say I didn't like the change of style. I found that TtH was an awesome outlook on the life of a city. One plot line that might have been top three for me that no one has commented on yet at all was the Harllo, Snell, Bainisk plot line. I thought that was so good. The one thing I have to break to you though Urb is that, although felisin and baudin were awesome (agreed there) the mhyb sucked. And that's not even just opinion. If you look in the dictionary for "Mhyb" the definition is "The worst Malazan thing ever to happen." Ofcourse I'm being an asshole right now. I just really hated the mhyb, though I kind of want to go back and read her again after you talked about Kruppe's character development.

This all said, Abyss forgot one of the great lines in the story. I believe it was uttered by Antsy, right after he threw a sharper out the door of K'rul's.

"Chew on that, you fucking arseholes."

[Enh]

@ Abyss - Your summary was enjoyable and it made me think of something in regards to one liners.

"Mlqasfserqwsfsacsslblahblahqqljgsldsjblskejqlwkjfslvjboqwpfsdlfsakdjgqlkwhe
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That made me almost spit my water out and the entire conversation after that point. Hehe.

This post has been edited by Enh: 14 October 2008 - 06:49 AM

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Jude, on Oct 9 2008, 01:55 PM, said:

"Chew on that, you fucking arseholes."

Lol, that was so gunny. But then Mallet died...

[Tarcanus]

Just finished TtH, and glad to finally be able to voice some of my thoughts.

- So the Hounds of Light show up wanting Dragnipur, seeking the ultimate tool of justice. I smell Tiste Liosan plotting. Hopefully this crops up in DoD, what with MD back and all.

- It may have been me reading fairly quickly, but I really grew tired of Kruppe in this one. I never had a problem with him before, but TtH was simply Kruppe overload. I appreciate what SE was doing with his voice, though.

- Am I the only one tired of death not being final? It really hit home in this one - especially with WJ and Toc's latest cameo. I just want a tragedy to be final so that awesome effect tragedy has on me can linger. Rake had better not be back.



There was more, but I'm still a bit overwhelmed with it.

[Stefan]

I finished it about an hour ago and loved it, like all the other books. I have no hesitation in stating Erikson as my favorite author.

I'm really looking forward to future developments with Whiskeyjack and the Bridgeburners, both alive and dead, including Quick Ben and hoping Kalam awakes in the next volume. Also, I'll cry if Paran isn't in it a viewpoint character. I'm also interested in seeing how the moon will supossedly be reborn and I want to learn what exactly struck the moon.

The narrative style of the book through Kruppe brought the highest level of emotion and introspectiveness to the series I hadn't seen before, raising the intellectual level of SE's work - which is fine by me.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

What about the ending, eh? Kruppe dancing, what we had all been waiting for. A very unique way to finish a book.

[Aztiel]

I just finished as well, and I'll say I liked it.

But the Kruppe narrator didn't hit for me. I'm not sure what purpose there is in deviating from what you've got going in the other ones. I'd always assumed it was some actual book someplace that was kept as a testament to all that went on.

But a lot of the arcs were too introspective for me. I love SE for the guts he has to write 400 pages of a fantasy novel that are mostly about emoting, but everything is getting too complex and subtle for me. I had a lot of trouble keeping everything straight this time, because everyone just repeated themselves each time. Example - as much as I love the Nimander characters, every time we flash back to Nimander, we have the same discussion in a different locale. "Uh oh, something is wrong with Clip. We'd better not let him get to Rake. Nimander, what should we do? We should wait. Oh, no, Nimander's gone soft. No, Nimander is amazing."

I'm not trying to be flip, but a lot of the POVs were like this. Seerdomin, Endesst Silann, Spinnock Durav. Draconus, Ditch. Apsal'ara. Nothing really happened in several of these lines for quite a long time. It's a lot to ask from the readers to care about this many people just talking for that long, especially when there's no reveal.

Still - chalk up another one for SE, I guess. I bought it and I'm sure I'll read it at least twice more before I buy a mint copy to store lovingly on my shelf. Note, though - does anybody know anything about the availability of the UK covers in America? I've been importing them when they release early, and I find the British bindings much better. Is there some way I can get those without paying to ship 25 pounds of books over the pond?

[limping dog]

I'm relatively new to this series; read GotM 2 years ago and haven't stopped since. I haven't done any re-reads yet, as I'm mixed in several other series.

Sorry, if this answered elsewhere, but what is/was being fought in Dragnipur? I assumed it as a world of its own, keeping up with the wagon for all eternity. What was needed for Hood's army to march in and fight?

[Moby]

IIRC, they're fighting chaos in Dragnipur

[Abyss]

seeseegee, on Oct 21 2008, 10:09 AM, said:

...but what is/was being fought in Dragnipur? I assumed it as a world of its own, keeping up with the wagon for all eternity. What was needed for Hood's army to march in and fight?

Moby, on Oct 21 2008, 10:15 AM, said:

IIRC, they're fighting chaos in Dragnipur

The KChain Matrons' death cry caused chaos to directly pursue Mother Dark. If it gets her, the universe ends. (Midnight Tides)

To prevent this, Draconus put the gate to Mommy D into a warren and inside the shiny new sword he had made. In essence, the sword uses the souls of those killed by it to power a ritual or magic which keeps the gate away from chaos.

However, rake didn't trust Draconus with the sword and took it away from him, killing Drac in the process.

A few thousand years later or so, Rake was tired of killing to fuel the sword and, it seems, came up with a plan to move the gate out.

He stops killing, the wagon slows down, chaos catches up and the chained souls aren't strong enuf to stop it. Rake kills Hood with the sword and Hood, powerful as he is, then opens a link between the Dragnipur Warren and his own warren where the dead souls he's been preparing for this for ages are waiting. The dead souls charge in, armies at the front, and delay chaos long enough for Rake to move the gate to the throneroom in Black Coral.




- Abyss, ...and now you're up to date.

[murphy72]

Aztiel, on Oct 20 2008, 09:44 PM, said:

Note, though - does anybody know anything about the availability of the UK covers in America? I've been importing them when they release early, and I find the British bindings much better. Is there some way I can get those without paying to ship 25 pounds of books over the pond?

Try The Book Depository, here: http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/WEBSITE/WW...ES/homepage.php

I understand they offer free shipping

[Hinter]

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- Am I the only one tired of death not being final? It really hit home in this one - especially with WJ and Toc's latest cameo. I just want a tragedy to be final so that awesome effect tragedy has on me can linger. Rake had better not be back.

You're not the only one, soon the Dramatis Personae will contain more dead 'uns than live 'uns it seems.

Got to say this is the first book in the series that left me a bit underwhelmed. Apart from the last couple of hundred pages I found it very slow and somewhat confusing, but maybe that's because I was rushing to this amazing climax I'd read about in reviews. Reckon I'll start a re-read pretty sharpish.

[limping dog]

Abyss, on Oct 21 2008, 10:49 AM, said:

- Abyss, ...and now you're up to date.

indeed, I am. Thanks.

Going to definitely stop my current reads and re-read these books.

[Tehol Beddict]

Yeah, TtH was epic. By far one of the best. Not really on par with MoI, but better than RG, so, second place, in my books. I just wanted more Lady Envy - she's hilarious =D.