[Illuyankas]

What, otataral? And the Second is a dick anyway.

[Aptorian]

The place which I will hence forth call the Seguleh Embassy, had a bunch of Seguleh statues around a fountain. This is the only place I remember even hearing of Seguleh art or craft. It would seem logical that they keep this place as a means for them to survey the continents state of affairs.

[Illuyankas]

Yes. And it is now a smoking crater full of igneous rocks, thanks to Spite.

[Aptorian]

Hm... you seem to have a point.

That was by the way one of the more confusing displays of power I've seen in the series. It doesn't really fit with any warren we know, rather it sort of indicates that the Elder Gods could do pretty much... anything.

I was a bit surprised the entire quarter didn't simply blow up when the giant ball of lava landed.

[Cause]

Aptorian;348194 said:

The place which I will hence forth call the Seguleh Embassy, had a bunch of Seguleh statues around a fountain. This is the only place I remember even hearing of Seguleh art or craft. It would seem logical that they keep this place as a means for them to survey the continents state of affairs.

The seguleh sent the pannion seer treasure so that he would send his armies to attack him. I dont think the concept of subterfuge of diplomacy exists for them. Also a statue of seguleh does not mean it was made by seguleh.

[Illuyankas]

I reckon it was Mockra. REALLY REALLY HIGH Mockra.

[kaf09]

I was a bit disappointed that the tyrant theme was left completely hanging in a novel that was almost 1000 pages long. I had the idea that the Imass Harllo found down the mineshaft was going to be the tyrant, but then he was taken by the Azath.

I was also left wondering about those pickled Seguleh in the basement of Krul's. With Humble Measure's schemes (WTF is he doing, mining for otataral or for a fabled revenant), there were far too many hats and not enough rabbits. An Otataral mine (if that's what he is seeking) would protect Darujhistan (as it does Aren), however, Rallick demonstrates the fact that Otataral was known within the city.

Just regarding Traveller, by rights he is now the 6th ranked Seguleh (unless those who order the hierarchies get wise to his fixed fight with Rake).

[Aptorian]

Rake was the seventh I believe.

[stejen]

Envy tells k'rull in MoI that controlling the 3 segulehs is insanely hard and that they continue to fight her control over them.
The carefree attitude of Envy in talking to the segulehs seems to hide the fact that she has to spend a great deal of power controlling them.

Oh and because of this discussion I finally know what would be the most powerful creature on Wu.
A Bole brother trained as a Seguleh!
Think about it. Magic does not hurt the brothers and with the skills of the seguleh no fighters could stop them

[Aptorian]

Much like Karsa, they may be resistent to magic, but are they invulnerable?

Example A, Large enough blast, say Silannah opening up against them, would they survive that? I think they'd die, I doubt that they're 100% resistant to magic... Karsa isn't.

Example B, they may be resistent, but their surrounding aren't. If an ascendant or mage blasts them with magic and it creates a giant crater they'll be damaged in the fall or the concussions of being throwned a couple of hundred feet like a rag dolll. Likewise, the mage could open a hole under them and burry them a hundred feet under the ground. The mage could remove all the air in their surroundings and suffocate them. Or superheat the air and roast them. Or make the ground into liquid fire and burn them. Or dump a building or giant ball of magma on their heads... etc. etc.

[Fid]

Aptorian;348555 said:

Much like Karsa, they may be resistent to magic, but are they invulnerable?

Example A, Large enough blast, say Silannah opening up against them, would they survive that? I think they'd die, I doubt that they're 100% resistant to magic... Karsa isn't.

Example B, they may be resistent, but their surrounding aren't. If an ascendant or mage blasts them with magic and it creates a giant crater they'll be damaged in the fall or the concussions of being throwned a couple of hundred feet like a rag dolll. Likewise, the mage could open a hole under them and burry them a hundred feet under the ground. The mage could remove all the air in their surroundings and suffocate them. Or superheat the air and roast them. Or make the ground into liquid fire and burn them. Or dump a building or giant ball of magma on their heads... etc. etc.

I can still see the Bole brothers crawling out of whatever maelstrom has tried to obliterate them and dusting themselves down and continuing their argument as to who is the most attractive to women. SE appears to have modelled them on leprechauns

[Aptorian]

I like that... Leprechauns. I was dumbfounded when they jumped the Jaghut wife.

I mean, killing mages and warlocks are fine, but standing down a Jaghut... impressive.

[tiam]

And a different breed of jaghut aswell a big fucker. Also it seems thats where the Napan get there blue skin from. Ive got no proof but the first comparison is that its a darker shade than Napan blue

[Cause]

Boll brothers cant be seguleh, they would need discipline. Losing that insanse stupidity, which I believe is the true source of their powers. Theirs two invincible character types in the books. Genius beyond belief, pust krupe etc and insanely stupid. High marshals, scorch, leff etc

[Urb]

[linet]From the scene where Caladan Brood destroyed Dragnipur, I got the impression that the Darujhistan Tyrant was someone Rake had cut down.
Someone who will now be released...[/linet]

EDIT: Scratch that. Must reread before posting again

[Aptorian]

But it's actually an interesting idea. That would had been pretty cool.

[Imperial Historian]

I asked steve about this at the bbq, and from what I remember this is what he said

Spoiler

The Tyrant is not kallor. The tyrants storyline deserves a whole book, and ICE will be writing about this in his book set on darujhistan (which I think is his third book), as it was his idea. He also said that karsa, and I presume a large number of the characters left in darujhistan will not appear in the next two books and will be taken over by ICE for his as yet untitled book

[drinksinbars]

the imass harlo meets clearly mentions raest as the tyrant in one of his pov's. plus it was his barrow from whence darujhistan was born. i like how vorcan can call upon the seguleh renegades to work for her, it implies the cabal who were created by the tyrant as rulers in his stead once used the seguleh as their army. In reapers gale samar dev mentions that seguleh means anvil and they were once an army of the first empire. also in BH the second talks about the cabal the tyrant and the segeluh. so theres a twisted relationship there. i wonder if humble is aiming to somehow release raest or discover his barrow and purpose attempt to gain his finnest??

rereading tth atm but wasnt there something odd about the chamber at the end as well?? Perhaps the tyrants power is in a throne and the throne is in the city? If someone claims the throne, they become the tyrant? Clearly after tiss did her reading she felt torvald was very close to this nexus of power and he was captaining vorcans guard. I assume vorcan will make a stab at taking the tyrants throne.

its worth noting too that both humble and vorcan wanted spots on the council itself, so perhaps there is something in majesty hill relating to the throne if someone knows how to unlock it?

[Abyss]

It's perplexing - Reast was A Tyrant, but from GotM it seems he pre-dated the city entirely. Kallor seems to have never been to Darujhistan before, at least, nothing we read in TtH suggests he has.

I figure Humble Measure is tied to the Tyrant somehow - either it's him or he's a agent.

We know the Seguleh and the Cabal have a history tied to the Tyrant and the city, but the details are fuzzy in the extreme.

Karsa was told by the War Gods that he had to remain to fill ONE of his vows. We don't know which, iirc. The fact that the CG's Cult is taking up residence, and that Karsa and Kallor at least are hanging around, suggests the CG's plotline may yet link to the Tyrant King's - at the very least darujhistan is far from off the radar, which means the Tyrant plot-line is still a live one.


- Abyss, an absolute tyrant on the bbq...

[ShadowOwl]

There was something said by Baruk if I remember right, that someone was working on waking one of the tyrants - seems there may be several 'buried' in the area. The other thing I found interesting was Gothos saying Raest was one of his more obnoxious offspring. Offspring to me means son as you don't talk of grandkids as offspring normally. And Icarium is Gothos' son. Wonder how many other little Gothos are running round out there? And were any of them tyrants too?