[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Morgoth, on 13 December 2022 - 12:48 PM, said:

Mezla PigDog, on 12 December 2022 - 10:31 PM, said:

I watched the Harry and Meghan documentary first installment. I couldn't help myself. Harry is like a man who has only recently awoken to reality after being raised in a cult, it's really quite curious to watch. I believe the general truth of what they, and especially Meghan, experienced but I wish they were being a bit less bloody American about it.

I don't know much about british royalty outside of what we get in mainstream international press, but man that video of him walking behind his mothers casket. Being expected to smile and shake hands. Jesus, we should support any and all people wanting to get out of that for themselves and their kids.

This is an interesting point - culturally there seems to be an odd blind spot amongst a lot of people in the UK about just how batshit insane things like that are. There is sympathy but it doesn't seem to come with any recognising that it's a ridiculous thing to expect children to do.

[Mezla PigDog]

TheRetiredBridgeburner, on 13 December 2022 - 02:03 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 13 December 2022 - 12:48 PM, said:

Mezla PigDog, on 12 December 2022 - 10:31 PM, said:

I watched the Harry and Meghan documentary first installment. I couldn't help myself. Harry is like a man who has only recently awoken to reality after being raised in a cult, it's really quite curious to watch. I believe the general truth of what they, and especially Meghan, experienced but I wish they were being a bit less bloody American about it.

I don't know much about british royalty outside of what we get in mainstream international press, but man that video of him walking behind his mothers casket. Being expected to smile and shake hands. Jesus, we should support any and all people wanting to get out of that for themselves and their kids.

This is an interesting point - culturally there seems to be an odd blind spot amongst a lot of people in the UK about just how batshit insane things like that are. There is sympathy but it doesn't seem to come with any recognising that it's a ridiculous thing to expect children to do.

Princess Diana dying and all the stuff those kids had to do was weird even at the time. I was about 18 but I remember it felt like there was a collective madness in the country. It was similar when the Queen died and the media was telling everyone it was a sombre time but if you spoke to people, nobody was sombre apart from the mental people who lined up for hours to see the coffin or funeral. As a percentage of the population they were few but somehow the media made out they were representative. When Diana died it was even worse because she was young and it was horrific and was the hottest media property going. Add in her kids and it was tragic but there was a lot of pressure on the royal family to show emotion over it after a couple of days of shutting up shop. They went way too far the other way by putting those kids out there and the documentary suggests they had minimal psychological support during or afterwards.

[Slow Ben]

The wife wanted to rewatch Modern Family. I’d forgotten how great the first few seasons are.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Mezla PigDog, on 13 December 2022 - 07:47 PM, said:

TheRetiredBridgeburner, on 13 December 2022 - 02:03 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 13 December 2022 - 12:48 PM, said:

Mezla PigDog, on 12 December 2022 - 10:31 PM, said:

I watched the Harry and Meghan documentary first installment. I couldn't help myself. Harry is like a man who has only recently awoken to reality after being raised in a cult, it's really quite curious to watch. I believe the general truth of what they, and especially Meghan, experienced but I wish they were being a bit less bloody American about it.

I don't know much about british royalty outside of what we get in mainstream international press, but man that video of him walking behind his mothers casket. Being expected to smile and shake hands. Jesus, we should support any and all people wanting to get out of that for themselves and their kids.

This is an interesting point - culturally there seems to be an odd blind spot amongst a lot of people in the UK about just how batshit insane things like that are. There is sympathy but it doesn't seem to come with any recognising that it's a ridiculous thing to expect children to do.

Princess Diana dying and all the stuff those kids had to do was weird even at the time. I was about 18 but I remember it felt like there was a collective madness in the country. It was similar when the Queen died and the media was telling everyone it was a sombre time but if you spoke to people, nobody was sombre apart from the mental people who lined up for hours to see the coffin or funeral. As a percentage of the population they were few but somehow the media made out they were representative. When Diana died it was even worse because she was young and it was horrific and was the hottest media property going. Add in her kids and it was tragic but there was a lot of pressure on the royal family to show emotion over it after a couple of days of shutting up shop. They went way too far the other way by putting those kids out there and the documentary suggests they had minimal psychological support during or afterwards.

I'm glad it was seen as weird at the time! Between partner's family and some of the older colleagues in the office, it sometimes feels like there's an inescapable cult element to the royal family which renders them above reproach. It's reassuring to hear sense.

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[QuickTidal]

Started the NATIONAL TREASURE: THE EDGE OF TIME tv show on D+, and really enjoyed the first ep. Nice to see Harvey Kietel's Sandusky character cross over. I know we are getting Justin Bartha's Riley Poole....and I 100% think we will get a Nic Cage cameo by the end of the season. Sandusky even mentions him in passing here.

Excited to see where this goes.

[champ]

QuickTidal, on 15 December 2022 - 02:20 PM, said:

Started the NATIONAL TREASURE: THE EDGE OF TIME tv show on D+, and really enjoyed the first ep. Nice to see Harvey Kietel's Sandusky character cross over. I know we are getting Justin Bartha's Riley Poole....and I 100% think we will get a Nic Cage cameo by the end of the season. Sandusky even mentions him in passing here.

Excited to see where this goes.

That has eased my mind somewhat. I am looking forward to it but feared they would go down the Mighty Ducks reboot route and aim it for like 10 year olds. Was making me hesitate in watching it.

[QuickTidal]

champ, on 15 December 2022 - 03:48 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 15 December 2022 - 02:20 PM, said:

Started the NATIONAL TREASURE: THE EDGE OF TIME tv show on D+, and really enjoyed the first ep. Nice to see Harvey Kietel's Sandusky character cross over. I know we are getting Justin Bartha's Riley Poole....and I 100% think we will get a Nic Cage cameo by the end of the season. Sandusky even mentions him in passing here.

Excited to see where this goes.

That has eased my mind somewhat. I am looking forward to it but feared they would go down the Mighty Ducks reboot route and aim it for like 10 year olds. Was making me hesitate in watching it.

I mean don't get me wrong, the demographic for this is ABSOLUTELY GenZ and not you or I...the tone of it is very "early 20's", so not for ten year olds....but it's not like they've ported the films into the show either. There's a happy medium here with connective tissue and this is not a reboot and definitely seems to have some nice nods and Easter eggs with the movies, while being it's own thing.

Like Nic Cage could absolutely DO a NT3 film and it could very much exist in the same universe with this and not interfere.

In fact, if Disney were smart, they would get a season of this under their belts and then shoot the 3rd movie and bring Jesse into it as another companion to Ben Gates....if that makes sense?

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[QuickTidal]

Um.... HOLY FUCK

Apple TV+ is doing a NEUROMANCER series, and eyeing Miles Teller as the lead...My gods, what a dream place for the Sprawl trilogy (and maybe even the Bridge Trilogy) to be adapted, as prestige TV! Consider me excited. I love this book.

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[Abyss]

Whoa!

Pretty daring project, am very curious how they do it and how close they stick, if at all, to the books. Gibson wrote the Bridge and Sprawl trilos dense and technical and for the most part grim and none of that translates well from text to stream-screen. There's a lot of very good material to work w in NEUROMANCER but the adaptation is going to be so tricky.


....why no, i wasn't going to mention the JOHNNY MNEMONIC movie for an example of how this goes wrong, not at all...

[Tsundoku]

So Henry Cavill is working on a Warhammer 40K TV series?

https://editorial.ro...ries-to-amazon/

Interesting. Fingers crossed it gets going and isn't fucked up. I dare say it wouldn't be a kid's show.

[Aptorian]

I'd love a big budget WH40K show but I struggle to see them going just 10% as grim dark as I might like. Super religious fascists are the good guys and everyone else is even worse.

[Tsundoku]

Aptorian, on 20 December 2022 - 07:39 AM, said:

I'd love a big budget WH40K show but I struggle to see them going just 10% as grim dark as I might like. Super religious fascists are the good guys and everyone else is even worse.

Well if nothing else you'd get 40% of the USA on board.

[Abyss]

Near guaranteed it will be about brave plucky rebels working behind the scenes to bring down the vile fascist empire, where conveniently the rebels - and the cops and spies and assassins who hunt them - don't wear absurdly massive suits of power armor and thus, the CGI budget is preserved for the premiere, the odd action scene, and the season finale. Cue ritualistic lamentations by the fans.
WH40K could be done in animation. Live action... this isn't Star Wars/Star Trek/BSG... the entire thing is based on horrible people in ridiculously massive elaborately decorated suits of armor fighting each other and fantastical beasties. The CGI budget required to do that... color me skeptical it could meet expectations.

[QuickTidal]

Let's be honest. It's going to be Eisenhorn.

It's the most easily accessible storyline in the whole WH40K, it's filled with notes and aspects of the universe and factions (I mean Bequin alone is a POV audience insert for "learning" about the Imperium and the Inquisition), and it's small scale with only one or two big set pieces over 4 books.

Beyond this, Eisenhorn is the cleanest of the cleanest Inquistiors and we watch him slowly bend the rules as he goes in efforts to catch the really bad eggs.

Eisenhorn will be an EASY sell to the audience, he questions lots of things over his time including the religion in whose confines he works and if it's too extreme.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Aptorian, on 20 December 2022 - 07:39 AM, said:

I'd love a big budget WH40K show but I struggle to see them going just 10% as grim dark as I might like. Super religious fascists are the good guys and everyone else is even worse.

If they have the protagonists doubt the religion and eventually discover that

Spoiler

they ignore the Emperor's most fundamental teaching of the Imperial Truth that He was not divine and that Human beings should give up superstition and the trappings of organised religion in favour of scientific and atheistic rationalism.

Yet, because of the existence of Chaos and the true, psychic nature of the Immaterium, the Imperial Cult has ironically proven to be a powerful source of protection for Humanity from the dangers presented by the Ruinous Powers.

then it might not be so bad... definitely relatable for those of us in the US (or---to a lesser extent---Qatar) though....

Would be funny if they played up the Trump parallels and got embraced by the far right... no on second thought that might be terrible. For cons at least....

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

No actually after reading some more about it even the

Spoiler

atheistic, 'rationalist'

version of the religion is terrible fascist / xenophobic stuff. But realizing that

Spoiler

the superstitious aspect is bullshit

would be good.

[QuickTidal]

Azath Vitr (D, on 20 December 2022 - 03:19 PM, said:

[

Spoiler

they ignore the Emperor's most fundamental teaching of the Imperial Truth that He was not divine and that Human beings should give up superstition and the trappings of organised religion in favour of scientific and atheistic rationalism.

Arguably my fave thing in the HORUS HERESY in the previous 30k millennium was early on when the "cult/religion" around him (The Emperor) popped up as a result of some very coincidentally timed "miracles" and endorsed and spread by some VERY cultish-type personalities....watching people slowly fall into a "religion" because a few supposed miracles which helped those people make sense of some REALLY dark and shitty things in their universe...and knowing that the Emperor himself utterly rejects this worship to no avail....always felt DUNE-like to me....the all powerful "god" that doesn't WANT to be a god and abhors what's been done in their name...

It's a very relatable thing, even in our world wrt organized religions.

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 20 December 2022 - 03:35 PM, said:

Azath Vitr (D, on 20 December 2022 - 03:19 PM, said:

[

Spoiler

they ignore the Emperor's most fundamental teaching of the Imperial Truth that He was not divine and that Human beings should give up superstition and the trappings of organised religion in favour of scientific and atheistic rationalism.

Arguably my fave thing in the HORUS HERESY in the previous 30k millennium was early on when the "cult/religion" around him (The Emperor) popped up as a result of some very coincidentally timed "miracles" and endorsed and spread by some VERY cultish-type personalities....watching people slowly fall into a "religion" because a few supposed miracles which helped those people make sense of some REALLY dark and shitty things in their universe...and knowing that the Emperor himself utterly rejects this worship to no avail....always felt DUNE-like to me....the all powerful "god" that doesn't WANT to be a god and abhors what's been done in their name...

It's a very relatable thing, even in our world wrt organized religions.

I enjoyed that aspect of the stories. The flip from steady loyal military to radical religious fundamentalists wasn't well written but it was a logical shift.

As for Eisenhorn... yah that would work and keep the 'costumes not CGI' costs down. I'm not familiar enough w WH40K to suggest alternatives, i just know enough to suspect any production would go Full Shannarra and just wing it from the bare basics because it's easier for them and more approachable for a wider audience.

[amphibian]

I think Cavill has the chops to pull off Ciaphas Cain, so I would like to see them try.

[champ]

I saw a rumour with Cavill as Constantin Valdor due to his love of the Custodes.