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  1. In Topic: Awesome / Weird / Funny Arse pics v 2.0 (NSFW)

    19 March 2023 - 03:13 PM

    View PostDolmen 2.0, on 19 March 2023 - 11:00 AM, said:

    View PostTiste Simeon, on 19 March 2023 - 08:15 AM, said:

    View PostDolmen 2.0, on 19 March 2023 - 07:08 AM, said:

    It's pretty interesting to note the latest step has been the new Glaze software bigname artists are using to counteract midjourney. It effectively makes a copy of a digital artwork and scrubbs it into numerical randomizers that scratch midjourney results.

    Its fun to see the arms race at work here. We're seeing new techniques and counter techniques pop up over night.

    I love that Karla Ortiz, one of the artists pushing a lawsuit against AI generators has already converted to it and her new work seems to damage prompts. It's quite literaly an artist fighting science with more science.

    Ssh you'll summon Azath here with a million articles on why it's actually a good thing that computers are stealing art from actual creators!

    Theres a great video by T B Skyen on how problematic AI art is. At it's core we know the push for AI in art is easy to exploit in the name of immediate gain. Thats very attractive to the Industry giants hungry to cut budgets into fractions. Its money grabbing activity that kills art authenticity and people have a good natural instinct for it.

    Like the gaming industry, I suspect the taste for genuine art will only increase. The Indie gaming market exists and thrives today purely because some discerning gamers want more authenticity. AAA games tend to miss the mark in that sense.

    Art wont be any different. I suspect AI art will evolve in its own right and spawn its own form of "authenticity". Once the art theft issue has been properly considered.

    Yeah, this. At teh end of the day people want to know there's other, real people behind the things they spend their hard earned money on. People want to the art, whichever media it may be, they consume to feel authentic and AI is not able to achieve that, no matter how much and how loud the tech bros scream about AI getting better every second.

    At the end of the day, AI is just a tool, and it will change things for artists the way photography and digital art did and the human behind the art will not disappear. The issue here is not that a new tool has bene created, the issue is that the makers of this tool are using the work of millions of other people to train their tool without so much as asking for permission. AI art should, by definition, not be allowed to be be copyrighted unless it has been generated only on the basis of copyright free material, and that day will never come (inbefore Azath chimes in with "But the propts are intellectual property!" - sure, go ahead, copyright those if that strikes your fancy).
  2. In Topic: Awesome / Weird / Funny Arse pics v 2.0 (NSFW)

    17 March 2023 - 11:22 PM

    View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 17 March 2023 - 10:29 PM, said:

    ... guess this means you get your pick of their jobs?...

    No, it just confirms my suspicion that they only chose people who 1. aren't artists and 2. have no idea about digital art, in which case it's not a comparison made at face value. That said, they still should be able to tell when a brush stroke is real paint or not, considering that'S their job.

    View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 17 March 2023 - 10:29 PM, said:

    Midjourney 5:

    Posted ImageIt's time for a meme update

    Posted Image

    Here's the previous meme

    ... personally I like the old version better... but this is 'improvement' of a sort.

    There's still extra fingers in the updated version.

    Look, as someone who has to deal with that BS every day at work, so far AI art had made my work MORE complicated, not easier. Now, not only do I have to find the right images to buy for our ad campaigns, I have to waste time sorting through pages and pages of AI generated, nine-fingered, chinless, eyeless, kneeless, five-legged Chernobyl-shaped mostrosities. Even the damn bushes look uncanny valley. And there's no filter for excluding this nonsense from my searches. AI generated images aren't new to the stock image market AT ALL, unlike the hype suggests they've been around for at least a decade. But now the stock databases are FLOODED with the AI shaped jerk-off results of techbros who think they can make a quick buck without a shred of knowledge about anything related to design, composition or editing. So much for making designers and artists obsolete.
  3. In Topic: Awesome / Weird / Funny Arse pics v 2.0 (NSFW)

    17 March 2023 - 10:07 PM

    View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 14 January 2023 - 05:49 PM, said:

    The Guardian asked art experts to determine whether images in various historical styles were AI generated or by relatively famous artists. The article fails to add up their scores, but I just did, and they performed only slightly better than chance (7/12 correct). However this is a very small sample size, and they did seem to perform better on one genre/period (surprisingly for me, that was impressionism...).

    You can try it yourself:


    I saw the captions before trying to figure out which is which, but I think the only one I would have gotten 'right' is the abstract one, oddly enough. (Hopefully the Basilisk will decide this means I have good taste... maybe even taste good enough to devour?...)

    [Edit: I glanced at the numbers again and realized I made an error; they performed slightly better than chance, 7/12 = about 0.5833%]

    I didn't read the link, but do they say who those supposed experts were? Because I can tell right away which one is which (always the right one, btw). It's super obvious once you know the telltale signs. Which, quite frankly, doesn't matter because these styles can be copied by pretty much anyone. Copying, and doing it so obviously, is not an achievement, and once the AI is supposed to do more compley stuff, it just shits all over itself, and that includes those comic pages you so proudly posted. It's so obvious which areas had to be touched up to make it palatable, it's painful to look at. This whole hype of "oh, artists are becoming obsolete, hurrdurr" is going to be fun to watch the fallout of :evil:
  4. In Topic: What's messing with your groove?

    17 March 2023 - 09:49 PM

    I need new/better friends (only being half serious here). Been itching to go out to live shows and stuff again after three years and no one wants to come along, even the people who have been just as eager as me the whole time. It's just.. going alone feels weird, more because I'm not exactly a social butterfly and also awfully awkward rather than that I don't like going to places alone. Is it weird to go alone? Am I stupid? I can't anymore with sitting at home alone, I need me some good al' loud, ear-bashing live metal gig.

    I had to ditch my one friend who could be relied upon to come along to gigs because she turned out to be antivaxx und just kept getting crazier.

    I guess I just feel super lonely because the last couple shows I went to I had to go alone and I feel like a loser, lol.
  5. In Topic: How do you answer the phone?

    13 March 2023 - 10:49 PM

    View PostSlow Ben, on 12 March 2023 - 08:44 PM, said:


    I've been told that this is apparently my signature phone call reply at work (working from home most of the time). It wasn't conscious until that point, but it is now whenever someone from I know calls just for the giggles. Otherwise it's "Hello, this is [my last name] from [company]." That said, I hate phone calls and am not ashamed to say I let it ring until someone else picks up. Not my freaking job.

    Otherwise it's just a boring "Hello" but I change up the tone depending on whether I know who's calling or not.


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    15 May 2023 - 20:29
    another one Puckster, hope you're well
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    02 Jul 2022 - 00:36
    All good, figured you've been busy :)
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    15 May 2022 - 20:16
    and again Pucko
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    16 May 2021 - 01:01
    Heya, happy birthday
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    05 Jan 2021 - 01:18
    hmmm, sorry, scratch the Delilah ref - I just remembered what happens to her at the end of the song. Oops.
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    15 May 2020 - 17:50
    2 birthday rep because the first was a cyrillic copy paste that came out looking like swearing, sorry
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    15 May 2020 - 17:44
    and again O Puckiest one of all! Hope it's a great day
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    16 May 2019 - 08:39
    Happy birthday Puckster
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    King Lear 

    28 Jun 2018 - 19:20
    Same. We're mutually terrible at this. It works XD
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    King Lear 

    27 Jun 2018 - 22:41
    Love you the mostest <3
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    King Lear 

    27 Jun 2018 - 21:24
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    16 May 2018 - 09:20
    Happy birthday, hope you have a good one
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    King Lear 

    14 Nov 2016 - 17:27
    I'm in the US (so still with the ugly stuff, but less with ground refusing to still) I'm okay, and it looks like all friends and family are okay (if a little bit traumatised, apparently it's not a pleasant experience even for those who are not injured or have any property damage or anything).
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    King Lear 

    21 Aug 2016 - 07:38
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    King Lear 

    09 Apr 2016 - 13:12
    One day we will chat again!
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