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  1. In Topic: Most disappointing book in the series

    23 July 2019 - 03:56 PM

     Nunchucks, on 15 July 2019 - 05:46 PM, said:

     ergault, on 06 June 2011 - 12:42 PM, said:

     Ulrik, on 05 June 2011 - 05:55 PM, said:

     Andromander, on 04 June 2011 - 07:55 PM, said:

    First half of the book was constant whining, every character was sounding like the same depressed, sad god/soldier/whatever.
    Second half of the book was illogical sequence of things happening without any real explanation,
    then the book ended and you got more questions than answears.

    (Icarium story was the most pointless of them all )


    I suggest to add some points explaining your opinion. Otherwise you´ll get only negative reactions... we cant discuss, only say - you are wrong/ right.

    what reallysurprised/dissapointed me was at the last possible moment having sinn become the ultimate threat to the whole plot.....that came straight out of left field.....having ges n stormy go that way was anticlimatic

    On reread, it is very obvious that Sinn is a problem and everybody fears her. She even covets TCG power.

    Yeah, I didn't catch her passage about being in the lightning bolt that killed Keneb on my first read. Sinn is insane after Y'Ghatan (hell, I'd even argue that she went insane at the end of HoC), sometimes too subtly, that culminates in the conflagration of all conflagration. There's also a lot of hints that she is using Icarium's fire juice instead of the Warrens, which is why Stormy and Gesler's annealed skin fails.
  2. In Topic: Possible Origin of Fener

    22 July 2019 - 08:51 PM

    Unfortunately, I have re-read the Vix scene and he is described as only having one eye, whereas Fener is referenced as having eyes (plural) in RG in his scene with the Errant, and in tCG when he is summoned into the killing fields outside of Kolanse. However, this does make me curious. Vix is referenced to having a sewn-shut eye, and Erikson has Skillen Droe notice it at the start of the scene as well as a noticing Vix scratch at it later in the scene. Do we know of any one-eyed characters who aren't clearly not Vix? I feel that he is relatively important considering his role in fashioning the Barghast, Trell and Thelomen 'species'.

    However, I will say that there have been other characters who spontaneously gain their eye back (only to lose it again.)

    Also, any reference to D'rek being a shard of Grizzin Farl should be ignored. I'm starting to lose faith in that hypothesis and am accruing evidence against it.

    Edit: I'd even argue that it's likely that Fener being tusked and not ever explicitly referenced to as a soletaken, I would suspect that Fener is a First-Hero among the 'species' that Vix has had a hand in creating -- like the Trell or something else with tusks, for example. Though, he does have hooves whenever he's summoned in the series (DG and tCG) but no hooves are referenced to in RG. Instead, in RG, he is reference to be much more humanoid with bestial characteristics -- I think the quote is even "more ogre than human."

    Edit 2: After the Errant spots him, they do have this interaction:


    'I remember you,' came the creature's voice, low and rumbling. 'And I knew this place. I knew what it had been. It was…safe. Who recalls the Holds, after all? Who knew enough to suspect? Oh, they can hunt me down all they want – yes, they will find me in the end – I know this. Soon, maybe. Sooner, now that you have found me, Master of the Tiles. He might have returned me, you know, along with other…gifts. But he has failed.' Another laugh, this time harsh. 'A common demise among mortals.'

    So ... clearly the Errant and Fener have met before in some capacity. And what does he mean by 'this place?' I have made another post that Letheras is where the Azath tower in FoL is which, with the Seregahl, is where Scabandari stores the wounded Silchas Ruin during the Tiste Invasion. So does this mean that Fener has been to Letheras aka near the Omtose Phellack and Hood towers area in the map from FoL (Jaghut Odhan)? Or is Fener speaking to just the continent of Lether?
  3. In Topic: Antifa and the Alt movements

    04 July 2019 - 07:18 PM

    View Postnacht, on 04 July 2019 - 06:01 PM, said:

    Somewhere the overlords must be laughing their asses off.

    These are the Circuses for modern times, maybe we should build a Colosseum and stage it there, maybe even offer free Big Gulps for all the spectators.

    The real problem in the USA are the overlords (who have access to huge amounts of capital and make millions of dollars in profits in a day and bailouts when they fail) wheres we poor schmucks need 30 year loans for a college degree and house.

    Meanwhile let's pick some misguided poor people or maybe somebody who is there to support free speech and beat the shit out of them and feel great about having "solved that problem".

    What has been deeply disappointing to me is how a group of people who read complex literature, and have gone through all the philosophical ramblings of Steven Erikson which have a central theme of compassion and tolerance at the core, are willing to tolerate violence and even encourage it, and inexcusably are stupid enough to be duped by the manipulations and propaganda of the sociopath narcissists that rule the world.


    I never took pacifism to be a theme in Erikson's work. What this situation is more apt to is Urusander's Legion ethnically cleansing the Deniers. Pacifism allows the ethnic cleansing to still take place. No Tiste would have been able to stand in front of Esthala or Silann and have been able to use arguments to stop them from raping and killing either Deniers or nobility that housed Deniers. In fact, for FoD, I see Mother Dark not wanting to point out an enemy to Anomander is a lack of scope on the part of Anomander. He wants a fight, he wants a goal from her, yet what gets him motivated to act the most is only when the actions of Urusander's Legion directly affect his personal life. And, moreover, he's motivated to vengeance. Mother Dark doesn't embrace Anomander until TtH where a conflagration of violence and death in Darujhistan summons Hood for Anomander to slay and then accept death so he can go fight Chaos in a penal colony that's contained in his sword. I read this to mean that Mother Dark couldn't point out an enemy to Anomander or embrance him until he was able to discover this enemy for himself and sacrifice himself in a fight against the wrongs of the world. In FoD, had Anomander begun to protect the Deniers against Urusander's Legion, those who deny the worship of Mother Dark's divinity, I believe his vengeance-driven, 400,000 year period of Opposition Defiant Disorder wouldn't have ever happened.

    None of what antifa does is vengeance while all of fascist violence can be viewed through a lens of the in-group achieving vengeance on the out-group. In fact, I'd argue that antifa are agents of being Unwitnessed--never looking to be associated or accredited or feel good about solving a problem. The nature of antifa is very much specifically within the realms of communism and anarchism: this is particularly what makes fascists hate antifa so much. That's why I find it curious that you point out that the 'overlords' are the problem, because that is very much precisely what individuals associated with antifa are and have been saying for nearly 100 years. Antifa is strictly about compassion: compassion for the victims of fascism. Without that compassion, why would they be demonstrating as anti-fascists? Did the Bonehunters cross the Glass Desert in narcissistic pursuits? Did they fight the Forkrul Assail because of the manipulations of propaganda? No, Erikson showed us during the scenes of the Bonehunters meeting with the Snake that there exists types of violence that cannot go unchallenged.

    You are right: the problem is the fact that the working class has to endure 30 back-breaking years to afford basic necessities to living in the 21st Century. The intersection of anti-capitalists and antifa is huge. However, fascism's anti-elitism is different than leftist anti-capitalism. Instead of taking their anger toward the bourgeoisie, working class fascists choose (or are convinced) to explicitly take that anger out violently on minorities and women. This is misguided violence as it increases the hardships that minorities and women face each day while allowing the upper classes to go unscathed. Fascism doesn't want to eliminate the capital class necessarily, it wants the power to be able to differentiate who is allowed in the capital class and who is not. This is why state capitalism is so popular in historical examples of fascism. You have an anti-elitism that explicitly establishes a new notion of the elite as time goes on as fascism moves from its early phases to its later phases.

    Again, not tolerating the intolerant is not a lack of tolerance. The tolerance paradox shows us this. In fact, for a tolerant society, Popper tells us that it is imperative to not tolerate the intolerant. So, I don't see how you map this lack of tolerance by antifa as something that is counter to Erikson. In fact, Erikson is pretty self-evidently an anti-capitalist. We see this his design of the Indebted in Letheras and their later emancipation. We see this in his science fiction works: in Rejoice we see how capital is related to possessing a monopoly on violence. We see this in his Facebook and blog posts. We see this in the fact that, tragically, it is often necessary to use violence to stop violence. No one walked up to the Tenescowri of the Pannion Domin and thought they'd be able to talk them out of cannibalizing and raping. So, yes, I explicitly believe that one can read the Book of the Fallen and still appreciate the unwitnessed acts of antifa fighting against the historically existential threat of fascism.

    EDIT: In fact, I'd argue that the 'Ascendancy' story lines of several characters thriving out of struggle to become Heroes that save the Weak found within the Book of the Fallen can VERY MUCH SO be interpreted through a fascist lens. I also believe that Erikson is well aware of it and challenges that lens throughout the series to various degrees of success. (e.g. think Karsa as a ubermensch breaking chains.)
  4. In Topic: Antifa and the Alt movements

    03 July 2019 - 09:54 PM

    View Postnacht, on 03 July 2019 - 08:29 PM, said:

    Perhaps this is now how you beat unacceptable ideas out of the head of an old nazi

    This is one view of this incident. Here's an image of the individual that appears to have been swarmed by antifa in this video: WARNING GRAPHIC.

    Here's also another point of view of the incident where you see the elderly man initiating the assault by attacking the antifa crowd with his extendable baton: WARNING GRAPHIC. In fact, if you look close enough, you can see the bearded individual briefly speak with the fedora'd elderly man before any kerfuffle between them and antifa. The video you have posted, while it appears to be antifa instigating an attack on a random bystander, is in fact antifa acting in self-defense after being assaulted by an extendable baton. So, yes, this is precisely how you beat unacceptable ideas out of the head of an old Nazi that is attacking you with a police baton.
  5. In Topic: Antifa and the Alt movements

    02 July 2019 - 10:26 PM

    View PostGorefest, on 02 July 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

    You don't stop someone from committing nasty acts by punching them. It is just another means of enabling such characters and make them feel rightious and entitled. We have police and law to deal with such things, we don't need vigilante "justice" muddling things up and derailing stuff. I have no problems with counter-demonstrations and a public showing that nazist and fascist ideas are despicable and don't belong in our societies, but that statement is not helped by elements within such protests being violent or hijacking it to have a bit of a riot.

    As others have pointed out, you actually do stop someone from committing nasty acts by punching them. Appeasement--by the historically defined nature of the fascism--gives them inches and they always twist those inches to get them more inches. Fascism is not unlike a cancer with respect to ideologies. You can't ignore it because ignoring it lets it grow. One of fascism's key purposes is to be platformed, so to fight fascism you must fight against it being platformed. Punching isn't another means of enabling such characters as to make them feel righteous or entitled. It is a means to show fascists that their modus operandi are known and will not be tolerated up to the point of violence-as-a-measure-of-prevention-of-violence. If it is difficult to parse that paradox, then good--it is supposed to be difficult.

    Again, as others have pointed out, the machismo and contempt for the weak present within fascist ideologies makes them hate being seen as inferior to those they deem as inferior. This is why cathartic Jewish media that frames Nazis as individually-impotent idiots pisses Nazis off so much: when those who Nazis deem as racially inferior do not respect the meme of Nazi-superiority, it annihilates the Nazis' ideologies. This is why punching them is so effective. Just look to several Nazis in recent popular culture that have been punched: their own people start to cannibalize the power of the person who was punched (see: Richard Spencer). One of fastest ways to get a Nazi to shut up is to prove them weak.

    Here are a few of Eco's common features of Fascism in his powerful work, Ur-Fascism:


    8. The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”

    9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”

    10. Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”

    . . .

    12. Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”

    And note that the police aren't there to help against Nazis. Historically, the police side with fascism as the presence of fascism persists and gains momentum. One of the facets of fascism is the garnishing of support from the police and military in the pursuit of ultra-nationalism, the pursuit of establishing an in-group, and the pursuit to possess a monopoly on violence. Don't get me wrong, all fascist movements in the 20th century had interactions with the police and military before any alliances were put together. However, fascism always eventually appeases to police and military in an attempt to expand their support. And if Spain, Italy or Germany are to used as examples, the tension between fascists and military/police always eventually settles into an alliance-of-sorts. Here's a quote from Paxton's Anatomy of Fascism, for example, where police allowed Blackshirts to attack socialists:


    Landowners were not the only ones who helped the Blackshirts of thePo Valley smash socialism. Local police and army commanders lent themarms and trucks, and some of their younger personnel joined the expeditions. Some local prefects, resentful of the pretensions of new socialistmayors and town councils, turned a blind eye to these nightly forays, oreven supplied vehicles.

    Fascists are unafraid of violence, are willing to always escalate to violence, but hate being seen as violent when it comes to a 'market place of ideas'. This is another paradox in the nature of fascism (these paradoxes are on purpose because it results in the chameleon-like nature of fascist ideologies and their self-contradicting characteristics). What this means is that they'll always be prepared to attack by bringing weapons, yet they always are trying to minimize the exposure of the fact that they bring weapons. Take this weekend as an example. As the dust settles, we're finding out that a lot of the Patriot Prayer dolts explicitly brought weapons to attack people, instigated those attacks, and then cry-wolf to media and twitter. This is their tried and true MO. This is premeditated and on purpose. This method hasn't changed for nearly 100 years. This is also seen in the other event I mentioned earlier: when the police caught the far-right putting together a sniper's nest--live ammunition and all--above an antifa demonstration, the police did not arrest them and very little media exposure happened.

    So, in the face of all these facts about the nature of fascism based in history: yes, punch Nazis. It is literally one of the best ways to stop or slow down the rise of fascism. Do not tolerate the intolerant. Otherwise, hundreds of thousands--if not millions--of human beings will die at their hands. This isn't hyperbole.


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