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In Topic: Let's talk about Tanith Lee, then.
Yesterday, 07:45 PM
Azath Vitr (D, on 20 January 2025 - 06:27 PM, said:
QuickTidal, on 20 January 2025 - 04:29 PM, said:
And again NO one is talking that anything was needed here beyond acknowledging the homage...Lee likely had no interest in suing him and the original poster of the similarities was only saying that there was no credit, not that it was copied whole hog....but now it's a plagiarism discussion? and about the legalities? and about Betsy Wolheim? This is why women don't come forward even if it's just to say "Hey this looks a lot like my work"...
Maybe "no one in this discussion forum" but not "no one elsewhere" (I know, the internet is vast and full of insanities, but this seems relatively mainstream (assuming it's a legitimate attribution)):
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Liz Williams [science fiction author]
[...] Tanith was my friend, as many writers in the UK will attest, especially on the south coast. I did know this, because she told me. We were at a convention - IRC Orbital 8,in 2008 - at which both Neil and Tanith were guests. She told me that she was trying to avoid him because he'd plagiarised a large chunk of her work: not just a bit, but entire paragraphs. She didn't say which book it was from. And she had considerable disdain for him.
https://www.reddit.c...agiarism_claim/
Yeah well that's from the horses mouth then. She believed she was plagiarized...which just proves my point about this even more. She didn't speak up because she was afraid to, either because she knew he had clout or for some other reason.
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In Topic: The USA Politics Thread
Yesterday, 06:28 PM
Cause, on 20 January 2025 - 06:22 PM, said:
Im amazed America isn’t more concerned about what’s happening. Even the informed don’t see the red signs. In South Africa we call it cadre-deployment, you put a party loyalist in charge of ever lever of government and the system of law stays in place but it slides right over what they need it to. It’s a communist party tactic. America had something similar back in the early days but rightly got rid of it. We are swinging backwards.
This is the danger of a trump loyalist at the SEC, as the head of the DOJ, as speaker of the house etc.
I forget who said the quote but crypto currencies have been speed running the history of financial crimes and now the watchdogs are also its biggest benefactors.
80% of the trump coin is reserved for trump benefactors. His wealth has quadrupled overnight through a coin with no intrinsic value. The only funny side to this is Melanie seemingly is so distrustful she will get her share she started her own too. I wonder if every member of the family will have one by the end of the month.
Indeed. This is the Hawk Tuah Girls' bitcoin writ large...but instead of being angry like they were with her, they are cheering it on...BAFFLING.
Like he rug-pulled a slew of people to the tune of billions... -
In Topic: What's messing with your groove?
Yesterday, 06:26 PM
Macros, on 15 January 2025 - 09:04 PM, said:
QuickTidal, on 14 January 2025 - 03:50 PM, said:
Got a smart doorbell for the new house and cannot for the life of me find the breaker that kills the power to it. I know that doorbells are usually wired to a small transformer which I think I have located, but none of the breakers have shut it off. We had an electrician come and do some work on lights in our place and he said that a doorbell is not a high voltage and even still hooked up I would not get much of a shock if I touched both wires...but I have no interest in finding out...it's driving me batty as I'd really like to install this not just for safety reasons, but also because the old doorbell is super wonky and half the time it makes a low drone after it's rung and I have to toggle the button to get it to stop, so I'm sure the connection in the chime box is probably fucked anyways...
Sigh. Home ownership comes with a bunch of extra shit.
He's not wrong
At worst go to doorbell transformer and drop out the dc side
Send me a pm I can talk you through the whole thing if needed
UPDATE: I found the breaker the transformer was wired to. It was attached to the Kitchen Fridge plug (which I hadn't tried, even though I thought I had), so then it was just a matter of swapping out the old doorbell and the new one and the chime box re-wiring.
So all good. Thanks for the offer of support though. It was pretty easy once I started to do it. -
In Topic: Ye Big Movie thread
Yesterday, 04:33 PM
Abyss, on 20 January 2025 - 02:58 PM, said:
There was a joke that is escaping me right now that I laughed at hard and no one else did becuase they were all younger than me and didn't get it...
Also, I was BEGGING for them to use "The à La Menthe" when it was clear they were going to be dancing though a laser grid...BEGGING...but in the end I supposed Galvanize worked okay....but the callback for Millennials to OCEANS 12 would have been so sweet. LOL -
In Topic: Let's talk about Tanith Lee, then.
Yesterday, 04:29 PM
pat5150, on 18 January 2025 - 04:20 AM, said:
They would have sued DC, not Warner. But such a case would never have made it to court in any event. Sandman was such a cash cow back then that there's no way they would have allowed such legal proceedings to take place. They would have offered Lee a hefty 6-figure settlement to cover this, followed by Gaiman apologizing for "forgetting" to give credit where credit was due.
The fact that people like us, who've been huge SFF fans for decades, only just heard about this a couple of weeks ago is a bit fishy. Of course, this makes me want to read the books even more. Got my hands on all five of them and planning on giving the first one a shot soon.
Sadly, if the similarities are that flagrant, it would make it even worse now that Lee has passed away and couldn't even at least appreciate the long due recognition.
But with this coming straight out of left field, I'm not sure. I mean, I've been following Betsy Wollheim for nearly twenty years, had lunch with her, and attended the Daw annual dinner at the Worldcon in MTL, you would think that such a conspiracy would have been mentioned at some point. . .
I'm amused that after a man is outed as being a terrible human and a story comes out of sketchy shit he may have done without crediting a woman in the authorial arena which looks drastically close to at least names if not motivations and actions of characters...some of the knee-jerk reaction is to sort of defend him because since it wasn't "common knowledge" or a Boomer Publisher didn't say anything...
And again NO one is talking that anything was needed here beyond acknowledging the homage...Lee likely had no interest in suing him and the original poster of the similarities was only saying that there was no credit, not that it was copied whole hog....but now it's a plagiarism discussion? and about the legalities? and about Betsy Wolheim? This is why women don't come forward even if it's just to say "Hey this looks a lot like my work"...
And he would not even be in bad company, Stephen King, Stephen Ambrose, ...FFS H.G. Wells...all credibly accused of non-credited homage at best and plagiarism at worst in their careers.
But for some reason we gotta put this under some type of microscope that Tanith Lee's work may have been cribbed in part to Sandman by Neil Gaiman just because he's Neil Gaiman or not enough people read Lee's work that has those similarities? Like Pat, you even said yourself that you hadn't read it...but you're whole swipe here lands you on defending Gaiman as default, while you lack the evidence for it or against it either way, because you can't believe the Publishing industry just let this fly, and/or it hadn't been brought up before.
Big industries ignore stuff like this ALL the time because it's publicly uncomfortable to confront it.
Look, the name, physical and world building similarities are enough for me to say it's uncredited homage at the very least, Your mileage may vary.
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