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In Topic: Israel and Iran
Yesterday, 08:05 PM
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Economists will be closely watching the strait because of global economic repercussions that would almost surely follow any disruptions there.
Analysts at JPMorgan Chase (JPM) have called a blockage there a "worst-case scenario" and suggested the result could be global oil prices reaching $120 a barrel and pushing inflation in the US to 5%.
[...] it benefits Iran to "use low-ranking officials to talk about closing Hormuz," because it sows instability. But it would actually damage Iran to follow through. [...] "If its oil production and terminals are badly damaged, we can then seriously consider the possibility of Tehran shutting the strait."
The overall landscape has led Trump administration to express tempered confidence Sunday that the Strait of Hormuz option is one that won't be taken.
"That would be suicidal," Vance said
https://finance.yaho...-185307643.html
Trump administration: can't let Iran be potentially months away from having a nuke because they're suicidal Islamic extremists.
Also the Trump administration: Iran won't try to close the Strait of Hormuz, that would be suicidal.
Wonder to what extent financial analysts and financial media are downplaying the threat to keep people from panic selling (or hoarding oil...).Russian, Norwegian, Latin American and oh right American American oil companies will benefit, among others....
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Satellite Images Undermine Trump's Claim Iran's Atomic Sites Destroyed
[...] Trump said heavily fortified sites were "totally obliterated" [...] Satellite images taken on Sunday of Fordow and distributed by Maxar Technologies show new craters, possible collapsed tunnel entrances and holes on top of a mountain ridge.
They also show that a large support building on the Fordow site, which operators may use to control ventilation for the underground enrichment halls, remained undamaged. There were no radiation releases from the site, the IAEA reported.
New pictures of Natanz show a new crater about 5.5 meters (18 feet) in diameter. Maxar said in a statement that the new hole was visible in the dirt directly over a part of the underground enrichment facility. The image doesn't offer conclusive evidence that the attack breached the underground site, buried 40 meters under ground and reinforced with an 8-meter think concrete and steel shell.
US Air Force General Dan Caine[spawn?] [said] an assessment of "final battle damage will take some time."
https://finance.yaho...-132948201.html
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In Topic: The USA Politics Thread
Yesterday, 05:48 PM
Garak, on 20 June 2025 - 06:00 PM, said:Since Trump is back I need to double check everything I read online since I can't tell what's satire anymore.
Vice President JD Vance:
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I empathize with Americans who are exhausted after 25 years of foreign entanglements in the Middle East. I understand the concern, but the difference is that back then we had dumb presidents
[video:]
https://bsky.app/pro...t/3ls7bmorvth2e
I did wonder whether that video could be a deep fake, but it's been confirmed by various news outlets, including Forbes and Salon. Here's one that's not paywalled:
https://www.yahoo.co...-150117393.html -
In Topic: Israel and Iran
Yesterday, 09:33 AM
Tiste Simeon, on 22 June 2025 - 08:26 AM, said:Tsundoku, on 22 June 2025 - 06:32 AM, said:Maark Abbott, on 22 June 2025 - 05:36 AM, said:Honestly, I'm less concerned with Iran having nuclear weapons than America having them, considering who's in charge of the Big Red Button right now.
Mmmmmmmm ... hoping you're half joking there Maarky Maark. I can see your point though regarding Dear Leader Trump.
But in all seriousness (what? I can do serious), I believe (hope!) the checks and balances on nukes in the USA are better than what would be in a fundamentalist theocracy that seems to be more concerned with the next world and how to get into it than this one. Or it's own people.
I mean you've just described Israel, who are the ones who have not allowed any inspectors in the country, not have they complied with any other international treaties...
While religious fundamentalists do have an outsized influence in Israel, I don't think they dominate the government.
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Netanyahu was born into a secular Jewish family that did not practice Judaism as a religion and he himself is thoroughly secular. Netanyahu was born into a secular Jewish family that did not practice Judaism as a religion and he himself is thoroughly secular. Nonetheless, he is more than willing to use the Bible to defend the Jewish right-by-birth to the "Land of Israel" from the Jordan River to the sea and willing to call upon the Bible to validate violence.
It is a fact, and a troublesome one, that Hebrew Scripture demands, defends and praises extreme violence in many passages of the text.
https://www.timesarg...91f631fd24.html
Going by what are apparently the latest publicly available survey numbers (according to Wikipedia),
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As of 2009, 42% of Israeli Jews defined themselves as "secular"; on the other opposite, 8% defined themselves as haredi (ultra-orthodox); an additional 12% as "religious"; 13% as "traditional (religious)"; and 25% as "traditional (non-religious)".
https://en.wikipedia...e%20Christians.
So 42%+25% = 67% > 50% of Israeli Jews describe themselves as secular or non-religious. And Israel seems to be a functioning democracy.
My guess is that Netanyahu's less religious than Hitler was. (At least insofar as superstition counts as religion.)
Maybe even less religious than Trump, who might honestly believe he has the grace of kings. Divine providence saved him from that bullet. Made it miraculously not rain on his fascist parade, despite what he claims was a predicted 100% chance of rain, as he kept telling Starmer. -
In Topic: The USA Politics Thread
21 June 2025 - 10:33 AM
Garak, on 20 June 2025 - 06:00 PM, said:Since Trump is back I need to double check everything I read online since I can't tell what's satire anymore.
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[US Secretary of Defense] Pete Hegseth today working hard preparing for war in the Middle East [video:]
https://x.com/RonFil...238847307989461
Not satire...
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In Topic: What's messing with your groove?
19 June 2025 - 05:47 PM
amphibian, on 19 June 2025 - 05:18 PM, said:I flew across the country to attend a wedding. My luggage got there several hours before I did, which is no big deal. I am fairly sure it sat outside in ocean fog/rain for a while because my luggage now smells like seaweed - pungently so. May have to figure out how to do laundry quickly tomorrow if enough things within smell funky.
Oof.
Or it was rescued from the bottom of the ocean, after they accidentally dropped it...
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