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  1. In Topic: Weinstein Celebrity Dead Pool

    02 January 2019 - 09:09 PM

    View Postworry, on 02 January 2019 - 07:43 PM, said:

    What LCK's done historically -- and now we have to say 'ostensibly' I guess -- is dissect his edgier material with a moral compass. He delved into the id, specifically a kind of privileged American white man's id (there's 'real self' and 'character' but he didn't shy from blurring them). He was 'honest' about the kinds of things that popped into his head, even honest about what made him laugh right or wrong, but always returned to looking at it through a critical lens. What made him so remarkable was how successful he was at traveling so far from that moral compass but almost always managing to return to it. He walked a tightrope for sure, and all the admiration came from recognizing how well he did it. But the context, the one he deliberately promulgated, was a flawed but thoughtful man trying to improve.

    The context for the leaked set was a cornered animal lashing out bitterly, because he was caught out as a fraud. I mean, look at this absolute garbage:

    That sound like the same point of view, ultimately aiming for personal and relatable insight, to you?

    Makes perfect sense to me that it would taint even his earlier material for some people. But either way, you'd have to be either dishonest (to what end? I don't know) or misapprehending to an alarming cognitive degree to interpret this set as close kin with the old stuff. It's a whole other POV. But even if we granted what he was doing was in service of that noble cause, reciting that Special Lament of Obsolete Dumbasses Everywhere -- "PC culture has gone mad!" -- who the hell is serial sexual predator Louis CK to lecture anyone about it anyway? Comedian ain't the only job in the world. Go do something where you won't be a danger to your coworkers, like underwater welding.

    This wasn't a netflix or HBO special. This was an early set back at a comedy club. 50 minutes of new stuff untested.

    Finished acts don't emerge from whole cloth. The Louis CK specials he is known and was loved for were a product of often a year or more of having things selectively bomb or offend as he probed where the line was and how to find the funny. Bits didn't work. They got cut. They got tweaked where they still had an edge, but reeled back to the line. And even then, if you go back through his specials and sets, and want to pick out specific jokes stripped of the surrounding context and the things CK does to build a rapport and get away with those lines, you could find a lot of stuff to be offended about.

    And if you listen to the whole set, it still sounds like a Louis CK set.

    But now he's coming back from a scandal people don't want him back from, any joke he wants to try is going to get leaked and judged (which will also skew the reaction he gets as he tries to work it out). They get judged while he's still finding the line, and in the lens of his scandal to boot. So there is going to have to be a measure of reinvention with less cutting material, or he's just going to have to keep at it until fresh outrage at what he says gets boring and people move on to some other horrible white man.

    But the notion that some rough edged jokes performed at a club in NYC and leaked online are evidence that he is developing a new persona pandering to the alt right is pure lunacy.

  2. In Topic: Weinstein Celebrity Dead Pool

    31 December 2018 - 03:22 PM

    View PostWhisperzzzzzzz, on 31 December 2018 - 01:58 PM, said:

    View Postworry, on 31 December 2018 - 02:58 AM, said:

    This waste of space sex predator is gonna make more money than ever reciting the dumbest people on earth's hell-opinions back to them.

    Aside from all the sex stuff, this is just not funny. It's just out-of-touch, crotchety, malicious humor.

    His humor used to be good.

    Most of that blurb had potential. He is working out material and it will get more polished if he doesn't drown in another wave of outrage.

    The Parkland bit he will probably need to lose and will quite probably set back the comeback. He is used to having a wide license on saying shocking things because his persona was accepted. Now, both on dirty humour, and things which touch closer to hot button topics, he is going to need to be more careful. Twitter is a drought ravaged forest for him right now. Any set will leak, and any joke could set the outrage ablaze anew.
  3. In Topic: Weinstein Celebrity Dead Pool

    31 December 2018 - 03:12 PM

    View PostAlternative Goose, on 31 December 2018 - 09:08 AM, said:

    He never forced anyone to do anything. Which doesn't really fit with my image of a sexual predator, which is normally associated with rapists and pedophiles.

    You've obviously never watched nature documentaries. Making a gazelle feel grossed out and socially uncomfortable is a key tactic of the Lion as it seeks it prey.
  4. In Topic: The USA politics thread -

    24 December 2018 - 06:57 PM

    Trump hyped the market returns as proof of his policy genius for a year and a half.

    At this rate by Mid January the DOW could be down since his inauguration. Somehow I don't think he'll say its his fault ...
  5. In Topic: Malazan Pictionary Contest 2016 / 2017 / 2018

    02 December 2018 - 10:39 PM

    Quantum leap


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