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In Topic: Let's talk about Tanith Lee, then.
16 January 2025 - 06:50 PM
QuickTidal, on 16 January 2025 - 06:45 PM, said:I think it's definitely close enough that credit was due. Like this is GRRM cribs Tad Williams MS&T....and at least GRRM admits that is indeed the case.
Yeah. Although I maintain that GRRM also cribbed from Feist's Magician despite claiming he never read it (unless the similarities between them are common similarities with MST, I suppose- but seriously, Westeros is so much the Kingdom flipped sideways, with King's Landing taking both Krondor and Rillanon's place and Crydee as Westeros- and the Starks are so the ConDoin kids, albeit without an Arya).
But yeah it's definitely notable that Gaiman rarely if at all mentioned Tanith Lee despite blurbing other British fantasy writers all over the place. -
In Topic: Weinstein Celebrity Dead Pool
16 January 2025 - 05:43 PM
I don't know what Scalzi posted at the time but given some of what he's written there in regards to 'some people might not thing that's enough' etc, I have to wonder if he saw Jeff Vandermeer post this and thinks it was aimed at him.
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In Topic: Let's talk about Tanith Lee, then.
16 January 2025 - 05:34 PM
Abyss, on 16 January 2025 - 03:59 PM, said:
The Tanith Lee thing blows my mind. How is this not widely known? She's not a name but is far from a complete unknown, and those links are not subtle.
To move the plagiarism discussion away too: I will say that on a surface level scan at least there isn't enough there to call it plagiarism, though the names in particular are cheeky. Enough inspiration that giving credit would have been decent, for sure, but they're not similar characters or settings really. I saw this thread on Bluesky by Silvia Moreno-Garcia, who's evidently more familiar with her work who thinks so as well.
https://bsky.app/pro...t/3lfsr7al2bk2x
I would be interested in reading more to see if Liz Williams' claims that Lee felt there were specific passages Gaiman lifted ring true, because that would be something more concrete.
(that isn't a defense of Gaiman, you know, fuck that guy. But don't go in expecting, you know, The Sandman)
It is surprising as you say though that, regardless of how closely he took from it, that that isn't more known. Like, I know of Tanith Lee, and I've circled Flat Earth for a while because I've heard good things about it more than once, yet I didn't hear of the similarities till now. -
In Topic: Reading at t'moment?
16 January 2025 - 11:52 AM
I've been off sick this week which you'd have hoped would at least have given me the chance to continue that roll I had last week, but actually I ended up so knackered I've not really been able to even read much. Still, I did finally manage to read The Monsters We Defy by Leslye Penelope, an African-American fantasy-heist set in Washington in the 20s. Basically it's about the main character being tasked to steal a certain object from a mobster, and to do so gathering a crew of people who (like her) have been given by (basically) spirits a gift- a power of some sort- but also a 'trick'- a thematically related negative consequence of that. A terrifically fun story that also goes to some deep places. Gonna have to give her more recent book a try as well.
Now I'm reading In a Garden Burning Gold, by Rory Power, a book which early doors is coming off like a cross between Guy Gavriel Kay and The Library at Mount Char, and if that seems unlikely to you, well, try it yourself and tell me otherwise. -
In Topic: Weinstein Celebrity Dead Pool
15 January 2025 - 02:01 PM
Azath Vitr (D, on 15 January 2025 - 01:13 PM, said:Flat Earth is an unfortunate name though, because it makes people think of Flat Earthers (I'd guess she didn't intend that?). Given the timing, this also seems like it might be too good to be true---a meme designed to replicate---without independent confirmation from trusted sources, but it certainly could be.
Well, to be fair, she couldn't have intended it or much helped the current associations of the term, given she wrote the first book in 1976, 30 years before flat earth started to become a widespread conspiracy theory of any note.
Not sure what you mean about the timing and meme thing. Tanith Lee didn't break out of the SFF niche the way a Gaiman did, but she wasn't particuarly obscure. I can't speak to more in-depth similarities or how much Gaiman really did rip her off as a whole coz I've not read Flat Earth, but the broad strokes are verifiable fairly easily on her wiki page.
(I really should get back to the books of hers I have, the LionWolf trilogy. It's a great setting and very well written but I keep getting to a particular spot in the first book and grounding out, need to push through eventually).
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