[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Ha! There you go, talking about what you'd wear, and what you wouldn't want to wear! RJ is right! Oh noesssss!

[Gabriele]

I blame it on the genes.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Yeah, that "I pretend I want to wear modest stout woolen clothes but subconsciously want to wear something skanky" gene must make life difficult.

[Gem Windcaster]

It's not like men don't think about we wear too. So drop the hypocritical act already.

[Aimless]

That's right, I am always thinking about what I should wear... like days in advance. I may not be a man, though.

Gabriele, don't let RLY poison your mind beforehand!

[Gem Windcaster]

No, I said that men think about what we wear too. Not that men think about what they wear. Wait...they do, don't they? Well, at least some of them.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Gem Windcaster;335281 said:

It's not like men don't think about we wear too. So stop the hypocritical act already.

Of course we do. The difference is, there isn't a 12 book fantasy series featuring our thoughts about our clothes as a major plot point.

My above posts were making fun of RJ's women, not real women.:placate:

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Gem Windcaster;335289 said:

No, I said that men think about what we wear too. Not that men think about what they wear.

That's a good point. I think about what women are wearing way more than what I'm wearing.

[Gem Windcaster]

Raymond Luxury Yacht;335290 said:

Of course we do. The difference is, there isn't a 12 book fantasy series featuring our thoughts about our clothes as a major plot point.

My above posts were making fun of RJ's women, not real women.:placate:

LOL! We shouldn't even get started on RJ's men... :grrm:

[Gem Windcaster]

Raymond Luxury Yacht;335293 said:

That's a good point. I think about what women are wearing way more than what I'm wearing.

Indeed. And that is why women think about it a lot too.

But hey, RJ is really making it pathetic. It's like reading James Joyce at times.

[Aimless]

Men don't think so much about WHAT you wear, they are more about how you look wearing it. Most of the time it registers as an overall impression of "hawt" rather than a specific "wow that's a very fetching dress". EDIT: Unless of course you're just wearing eg. mukluks, in which case we may very well think, "Dayumn... mukluks!

We can be pretty interested in what you _don't_ wear though.

[Zelech]

I think I picked up Malazan after WoT, and I even think I picked up the recommendation from Dragonmount. So theres another person to add to the list!

You know, I just finally learned who "Raymond Luxury Yacht" (the character name) is last week. Now it makes so much more sense, especially the phoenetical pronounciation of said name. My fav. ditty (I've only seen parts of a couple of episodes, obviously including the over-20ish parts of the body) is the gent going to the argue-clinic and paying for five minutes to argue. Definitely youtube that (little/no bad content, no background info needed, just plain silly & funny).

As far as clothing...I'm a man. I think I'm on top of things more than others. Seriously, I at least have the foresight to hang up my pants...once I notice I won't have any neat/folded pants for the following day if I don't have any pants hanging up...
It works.

Book 11 is very good but leaves you with the reverberating thought: RJ was still a great writer and wrote a semi-tight book despite the accumulated complexity. Therefore, books X-10 [enter single-digit of relatively/noticably-mediocre-to-you book for X] were a travesty, in that they were written and published. I'm not trying to reopen the convo's again, though--book 11 did what most wanted: a book that would actually make it possible to end the series with book 12.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

That's all we can ask, at this point.

[Gabriele]

Aimless;335303 said:

We can be pretty interested in what you _don't_ wear though.

Oh yes, there's a looong thread in the Phoenix Inn to demonstrate that.

[Gabriele]

Gem Windcaster;335295 said:

LOL! We shouldn't even get started on RJ's men... :grrm:

Why, do they spend a lot of time thinking about their ... swords?

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

They spend their time thinking about how scared they are by RJ's women.

[Aimless]

Gabriele;335316 said:

Oh yes, there's a looong thread in the Phoenix Inn to demonstrate that.

Well, it IS a hawt GIRL thread, not a hawt CLOTHES thread.

Although I suspect a thread with the latter title would look more or less the same.


But to get back on the topic of WoT, Jordan's strength, I feel, is in world-building (and I feel he did a better job of realising his world than did Erikson with the world of the Malazan novels)... and there's a lot of that in the first seven books, iirc. It's absolutely fantastic.

Jordan was also very good at letting the reader really work to figure out things about his world. Granted a lot of the hints were provided in interviews rather than in the books, but still...

When I compare interviews with Erikson to interviews with Jordan, it really seems as if Jordan has a much better grasp of his world.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Aimless;335328 said:

But to get back on the topic of WoT, Jordan's strength, I feel, is in world-building (and I feel he did a better job of realising his world than did Erikson with the world of the Malazan novels)... and there's a lot of that in the first seven books, iirc. It's absolutely fantastic.

Jordan was also very good at letting the reader really work to figure out things about his world. Granted a lot of the hints were provided in interviews rather than in the books, but still...

When I compare interviews with Erikson to interviews with Jordan, it really seems as if Jordan has a much better grasp of his world.

I'm going to just say I disagree, and leave it at that.

[Aimless]

I'm just referring to the way Jordan could give answers he was certain of, more or less (when he didn't tell us to RAFO), while Erikson is much more inclined to go, "Hmmm, I guess, now that I think about it, it must be something like..."

[Gabriele]

Aimless;335328 said:

Well, it IS a hawt GIRL thread, not a hawt CLOTHES thread.

Although I suspect a thread with the latter title would look more or less the same.

Which is probably the reason that no matter what clothes the women wear in the books, they'll end up on the cover wearing a flimsy piece of almost-nothing that just covers enough to make it PG13. The old German editons of MZB's Darkover books are the best example of that. You couldn't read those in public without having to explain that, no, it is not erotic romance.

After what I've seen in the Wikipedia article about WoT I browsed, those books suffer from some pretty cheesy covers as well.