[Aptorian]

Nooo. I thought the 7C ritual occurance was one seperate site. There is also mention of another site controlled by the Malazans. I think it is in the Fenn area.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

I thought 7C was where the First Empire was too, and that Lether was the colony. Apt's suggestion that the continent would have been different, islands annd so on, certainly seems to hold a lot of weight when you consider that Raraku was most likely a sea back then too, and the mentions of highly advanced roads Fiddler makes in DhG would suggest a highly advanced/powerful covilization in the area a long time ago.

[Venerus]

Aptorian;248881 said:

About ascendants deaths wounding a warren. Why would an ascendants death wound a warren? Rake is just a champion. KG doesn't flow through his heart or anything. The spilling of ascendant blood is another matter, that is something dangerous. It attracts power. Personally, even though it isn't outright implied, I think something like 6 fat dragons bleeding out in a magical warren, might be a pretty dangerous thing. Their magical blood making holes in the fabric of the warren. The power weakening the fabric perhaps.

True enough, but Rake *is* in control of the (I think?) only portal to KG we know of. What's that oft-repeated line again? "From wandering to holds, from holds to houses" or something like that? Since Nightchill wanted Dragnipur so badly, maybe possession confers some kind of control over the portal. Or, another way of looking at it, if someone else had Dragnipur, they might not murder enough bad@ss creatures to keep chaos from catching up with the wagon and destroying KG.


Actually this is going to be incredibly dorky -- Erikson refers to SD and KG as the twin chambers of the heart for all magic in MoI. In purely physiological terms, this would mean one of those realms sucks in magic, and the other spits it out. Think there's any chance the analogy is supposed to be read that deeply?

[Aptorian]

Venerus;248900 said:

True enough, but Rake *is* in control of the (I think?) only portal to KG we know of. What's that oft-repeated line again? "From wandering to holds, from holds to houses" or something like that? Since Nightchill wanted Dragnipur so badly, maybe possession confers some kind of control over the portal. Or, another way of looking at it, if someone else had Dragnipur, they might not murder enough bad@ss creatures to keep chaos from catching up with the wagon and destroying KG.


Actually this is going to be incredibly dorky -- Erikson refers to SD and KG as the twin chambers of the heart for all magic in MoI. In purely physiological terms, this would mean one of those realms sucks in magic, and the other spits it out. Think there's any chance the analogy is supposed to be read that deeply?

Clip has a new portal. The reference to Rake and KG being directly connected was when he, in the form of a dragon, was spewing pure darkness into the masses of the peasant army. I think it's WJ (perhaps) that notes, there is another way into darkness, straight down Rakes throat.

Nightchill wanted the sword because rake WASN'T killing enough creatures to pull the wagon. There's is probably some benefits from having the sword though. that and some bonechilling waves of pure terror emanating from it.

I like the intrance/exit theory, and yet aren't there 2 big chambers and 2 smaller chambers in the human heart.

[Venerus]

Ah, thank you Apt, that helps I'm not done with my second read through yet; hopefully things will all fall into place by the time I'm done.

To focus on the one unimportant part of that very good post, the human heart has four chambers in an adult, and one and then two during certain stages of development in the fetus. Even in the adult heart, it is not uncommon for people to refer to the right and left *sides* of the heart, grouping the two left and two right chambers together. I just assumed SE was using that style of naming with SD and KG in the MoI passage.

If we *really* wanted to extend the analogy, one warren (right heart) sucks in used-up magic (venous/deoxygenated blood), pumps it past some kind of...re-magic-ing supply (lungs/oxygenation) into the second warren (left heart) which then pumps it back into circulation (arterial/oxygenated blood), magic'd and ready to be used in the... capillary beds of the warrens??? Or maybe people are like capillaries, sucking out the magic from K'rul's blood...I don't know.

This has gotten entirely too convoluted.

[Aptorian]

But interesting.

Now factor in someones (Xander? Skywalker?) idea of Denul being the Immunesystem or a collection of stemcells. Ottataral being the clotting ability. etc.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

I love these books. Please dont turn it into science and ruin it.

[Illuyankas]

Hood's Realm is endothermic!

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Illuyankas;248933 said:

Hood's Realm is endothermic!

Serc is the respiratory system!

D'rek is carcinogenic!

[Mentalist]

Aptorian;248922 said:

But interesting.

Now factor in someones (Xander? Skywalker?) idea of Denul being the Immunesystem or a collection of stemcells. Ottataral being the clotting ability. etc.

HEY!!!!
Denul as a warren of stem cells was MY idea, thank you very much, lol...

[Venerus]

Azath must be granulomas; collections of macrophages (type of immune cell) that wrap around invasive bodies/bad things and insulate them against the rest of the body "to maintain balance" BOO YAH!

You know, as totally remote as the possibility is, SE does use "febrile" and "suppurative" which are commonly medical terms. He also uses "enervate" but he actually uses it correctly, unlike the rest of the medical field. Maybe he has medical buddies and we've just uncovered the true theme of MBotF

Thought the second: KG is the right heart (sucking one) because blackness absorbs everything, SD is the left heart because dragons breath out "raw magic" and so they'd be a good pump.

[Mentalist]

hmmm.. and the CG's supposed to defib the heart, but right now it's just beating erraticly.....

[Sinisdar Toste]

ah i think we have discovered the CG's original aspect, cardiology

[Optimus Prime]

Is Rake aware that Nightchill and Draconus want the sword because he is "too merciful".

I remember Envy telling him Draconus was planning on breaking free and him not caring...but is he aware of what they think?

[Mentalist]

hmmm doubt it. Paran was supposed to tell him, but he had to pull off "dying" witht he rest of the BBs.. so they never got to talk

[Optimus Prime]

@Apt. My whole idea of royal blood wounding a warren is just the idea that any descendant of MD is tied intricately with their home warren...thus the spilling of their "special blood" could affect the warren itself.

@Kud---Hmm....you would think the Master of the Deck would want one of the world's most powerful beings to know this..unless he wants Rake to go down...or at least the sword to break.

[Mentalist]

Xander;248960 said:

@Apt. My whole idea of royal blood wounding a warren is just the idea that any descendant of MD is tied intricately with their home warren...thus the spilling of their "special blood" could affect the warren itself.

@Kud---Hmm....you would think the Master of the Deck would want one of the world's most powerful beings to know this..unless he wants Rake to go down...or at least the sword to break.

Well, he meant to tell him, but he couldn't find him. This is where one of my fave quotes comes in "We're not talking about some farmboy who dug up an all-powerful sword, this is Anomander Rake!!! the Son of Darkness himself!!!" This was when Rake went under the sea to sneak up on Coral. At Coral itself, PAran and Quick were busy stealing Pannion in front of everyone. and then Paran was forced to vacate. I don't think he ever actually got to talk to Rake. ofc, it could've been done afterwards and off-screen, but to the best of our knowledge, rake wasn't informed that he needs to take more of the powerful souls.

[Optimus Prime]

I have to believe that Rake knows...and of course...since we've had scant PoV's of Rake...who knows what he knows. (Weird sentence )

I loved that quote as well. Shot at Eddings and Jordan? eheheh

[Aptorian]

Rake knows. The message that Envy gives him is something in the lines of "Draconus wants to get out/is working to brake the sword" Rakes response was something in the lines of "What's taken him so long?". I'm pretty sure Rake felt Nightchills presence when she started lashing out at people at Pale.

[Optimus Prime]

Hey there Apty.

Think Rake has an idea of who he'd like to see in charge of KE?