[Mcflury]

did he also fool ST around for the first time before he had 12 souls in him?

anyways, QB wasn't a total weak-ass before he got all those souls, but it was stated somewhere that QB wasn't high-mage material before that I think... and at least the soul of the original QB was the weakest (meaning he had the weakest magical skills) of all those other souls that merged with him later. So basically, a lot of QB's magical strength these days comes from those other souls. Before his merging QB had mediocre magical skills, but already a VERY good brain

[ritchiediaz]

The most interesting thing from Quick's exchange with the sisters is Suklul Andukhu's observation:-

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Extraordinary, that a lone mortal human could unleash such venomous power. No, not a mere mortal human. There were other things hiding inside that scrawny body, she was certain of that. If she never encountered him again, she would know a life of peace, a life withour fear.

We know that QB has 12 souls, and that at least one is not human. At least one of the souls in QB *really* scared Sukul, with a strong implication of more than one - 'other things'. It could also be argued that Sukul strongly feels that something inside QB is not mortal either.

Also I like the use of the word 'venemous', it further reinforces the association of QB with snakes; his most likely soletaken form.

[Zanth13]

ritchiediaz;238361 said:

The most interesting thing from Quick's exchange with the sisters is Suklul Andukhu's observation:-



We know that QB has 12 souls, and that at least one is not human. At least one of the souls in QB *really* scared Sukul, with a strong implication of more than one - 'other things'. It could also be argued that Sukul strongly feels that something inside QB is not mortal either.

Also I like the use of the word 'venemous', it further reinforces the association of QB with snakes; his most likely soletaken form.

a snake while an object of fear just wouldnt be that good of a soletaken form... I dont like it

but who knows... he might have multiple forms he could turn into for all we know, or even diver forms

but have rep for bringing up that quote, It really gave me pause for thought when i read it in the book.

[ritchiediaz]

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a snake while an object of fear just wouldnt be that good of a soletaken form... I dont like it

I initially thought that, but after a bit more thought I could see some options.

Veering without anyone seeing him, a snake could give all kind of options; spying, assasination, general stuff that fits with QB's MO.

Of course, a Gryllen-type snake divers could be extremely horrific.

Finally (and this is the one I like least), there is the possibility of a 'giant' snake, more like the 'wyrm' in old myth.

[Zanth13]

ritchiediaz;238365 said:

I initially thought that, but after a bit more thought I could see some options.

Veering without anyone seeing him, a snake could give all kind of options; spying, assasination, general stuff that fits with QB's MO.

Of course, a Gryllen-type snake divers could be extremely horrific.

Finally (and this is the one I like least), there is the possibility of a 'giant' snake, more like the 'wyrm' in old myth.

Getting ate by Cats/birds also which is also one of QB's MO...well maybe.. not proven yet..

The giant one would be interesting, though he would probably be a dragon before a giant snake...

we could talk for threads and threads about this form without reaching a conclusion and I think we have before.... but at least the author seemed to take a nod at us and at least confirm that QB is a soletaken of some form.
He and hedge mentioned it

[Mcflury]

huh? where is it stated, or even hinted, that QB is a soletaken? I must've completely read over that point :s (and also why would QB be a snake if he was soletaken? Spiders are venomous too (and that would explain why QB never turned into his soletaken form, with Hellian nearby ) as are many other creatures... so I'm guessing it is also hinted somewhere QB turns into a snake or has a strong affinity to snake... so my question: where? :s )

[Aptorian]

One of the souls Quick recieved was a soletaken priestess.

[Zanth13]

Mcflury;238387 said:

huh? where is it stated, or even hinted, that QB is a soletaken? I must've completely read over that point :s (and also why would QB be a snake if he was soletaken? Spiders are venomous too (and that would explain why QB never turned into his soletaken form, with Hellian nearby ) as are many other creatures... so I'm guessing it is also hinted somewhere QB turns into a snake or has a strong affinity to snake... so my question: where? :s )

the snake thing is pure speculation...

the soletaken theory is taken from what apt just said and in Bonehunter there is a coversation between QB and Hedge.

Something along the lines of Hedge asking what Ben has up his sleeve and then saying "ive always thought ive smelt the spice of soletaken on you" something along those lines were spoken, not exactly but something similar... QB just smiled in response... I believe it was before the fight with the 3 dragons soletaken elient bitches if someone with access to a book wants to look it up pretty please.

[Dancer+]

I can confirm you're right but I don't have my copies of the book either.

Hedge said something or implies something along the lines of when are you going to show that little beasty inside of you

[ritchiediaz]

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why would QB be a snake if he was soletaken?

In Memories of Ice when QB meets the old Tennes witch:-

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'Pull you snake of the desert'

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'Show what you have, many-headed snake, the breaking of curses is my gift'

and later when they take Pannion to the earth elemental place (note capitalization):-

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'The young lack faith, and you Desert Snake, are no exception!'

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'I knew you were no fool, Desert Snake.'

It's tenuous, but it is something.

[Illuyankas]

There's a thread somewhere in the Polls subforum about Quick's most likely Soletaken form, and SE's stated that it is NOT a snake.

[Urb]

I'll list why I think QB's soletaken form is a wolf:

1. First of all, what Illuyankas said above.

2. In tBH when QB's sister remembers their childhood, QB does some woodoo magic where he makes himself a wolf, hunting down all his family whom he has made into sheep in their dreams (it is true he was not a soultaken at the time, having only one soul, but I like to think SE was subtly implying something).

3. In tBH the Destriant among the Grey Helms (an army of the wolf gods) greets QB with a deep bow, indicating he recognizes something in the High mage.

4. In RG, there is a moment when Onrack no longer broken is sitting by a fire with Trull and QB (and Hedge?), and at one point he says: 'One day you must become the wolf'. It is not directed directly at QB, but again I like to think SE is hinting at something.

[Mcflury]

Hm, I see... I did slip too easily over all those details (it surprises me every day again how detailed readers you are... and I always thought I was good at remembering and finding details in texts )

About QB not being a snake, this would be my explanation: there seems to be a soletaken witch in him that used to be a snake, so he possesses the soletaken magic, but maybe it's the magic itself that chooses what form he will vere into (a bit like the turning into animal form in the harry potter series... the magic is the same, it's just the form you get that differs). So that witch was a snake, but maybe a wolf idd would suit QB's real soul better (the voodoo thing, when he imagined his family as sheep and himself as a wolf actually convinced me... I loved that scene in the book and always thought it had more in it than I actually grasped )

Now, why then the capitals in Desert Snake? Maybe those people (the witch and in the earth elemental place) smelled the soul that was a soletaken snake, and smelled the snake... I don't know... many stuff in those books are just too vague to actually make sense of
I do also think though that even when alot of metaphores can be made real in fantasy, not all metaphores are actually real... so some metaphores are still metaphores

[Zanth13]

Mcflury;238432 said:

Hm, I see... I did slip too easily over all those details (it surprises me every day again how detailed readers you are... and I always thought I was good at remembering and finding details in texts )

About QB not being a snake, this would be my explanation: there seems to be a soletaken witch in him that used to be a snake, so he possesses the soletaken magic, but maybe it's the magic itself that chooses what form he will vere into (a bit like the turning into animal form in the harry potter series... the magic is the same, it's just the form you get that differs). So that witch was a snake, but maybe a wolf idd would suit QB's real soul better (the voodoo thing, when he imagined his family as sheep and himself as a wolf actually convinced me... I loved that scene in the book and always thought it had more in it than I actually grasped )

Now, why then the capitals in Desert Snake? Maybe those people (the witch and in the earth elemental place) smelled the soul that was a soletaken snake, and smelled the snake... I don't know... many stuff in those books are just too vague to actually make sense of
I do also think though that even when alot of metaphores can be made real in fantasy, not all metaphores are actually real... so some metaphores are still metaphores

Your drunk get off the key board lol,

umm I think its best to forget about the snake soletaken form, him being called a desert snake was I’m sure commenting on him being a 7 cities native or what ever, desert dweller....I don’t think it has any relevance to the story line... we really wont know for sure what he is until when/if he actually veers.
There is no saying what that priestess was either.

Quick Ben
Soletaken (or maybe diver)
Access to 12+ warrens
Knows spirit magic
Knows a little elder magic
Knows how to absorb souls
Genius level intelligence
High mage caliber magic user

[Sinisdar Toste]

translation: that boy aint right

[Illuyankas]

Mcflury;238432 said:

Hm, I see... I did slip too easily over all those details (it surprises me every day again how detailed readers you are... and I always thought I was good at remembering and finding details in texts )

About QB not being a snake, this would be my explanation: there seems to be a soletaken witch in him that used to be a snake, so he possesses the soletaken magic, but maybe it's the magic itself that chooses what form he will vere into (a bit like the turning into animal form in the harry potter series... the magic is the same, it's just the form you get that differs). So that witch was a snake, but maybe a wolf idd would suit QB's real soul better (the voodoo thing, when he imagined his family as sheep and himself as a wolf actually convinced me... I loved that scene in the book and always thought it had more in it than I actually grasped )

Now, why then the capitals in Desert Snake? Maybe those people (the witch and in the earth elemental place) smelled the soul that was a soletaken snake, and smelled the snake... I don't know... many stuff in those books are just too vague to actually make sense of
I do also think though that even when alot of metaphores can be made real in fantasy, not all metaphores are actually real... so some metaphores are still metaphores

When the AUTHOR says he's not a snake, he's not a snake.

[Mcflury]

authors can be wrong too
Besides, I didn't say he was a snake, I said some chicky inside him could've been a snake soletaken (but in my theory that didn't incline QB himself being a snake)

and @ zanth13: alas, I'm not drunk I'm just not affraid to think out of the box (okay, way out, but you get the point) from time to time

[Lisheo]

Oh, its obivous really...
Hes a dozen diver's Eleint
Although I wonder is his soletaken form like Dejim Nebrahl, however many seperate but linked beings?

[Traveller]

QB wasn't just a mediocre mage before he absorbed the souls of others. In GofM, he is recognised by Shadowthrone as he escapes, as he had 'indeed risen high' in his service. I don't think the snake references are trying to hint at a soletaken form... wouldn't he have veered into it in any one of the situations where he got caught out?

[Mcflury]

I believe it was stated somewhere, the part where they describe the hunt after Qb (and the other mages) in Raraku by the BB, with Kalam being a guide, who is actually working with QB. Anyways, it's stated there QB was the weakest mage of all those who were running, and if I'm not wrong they also said QB wasn't a strong mage to start with anyways.
The fact that ST recognized him had to do with QB's intelligence (the betrayal and stuff was all about intelligence I believe) and I believe one can rise high in the ranks without using straightforward power... So I believe QB did most of his stuff before he got all those souls by means of intelligence.