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spoilers Osserc, Anomander Rake, and Trull Sengar

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Posted 30 December 2007 - 10:16 PM

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trull hasn't displayed any "power" in RG (the way rake does or osric would). he stood his ground just on the basis of his skill. else he wouldn't have died from a simple stab from a normal weapon.


if this was true, the first blow of Icarium's sword would've shattered his spear.
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Posted 31 December 2007 - 02:29 AM

Gothos makes a good point.

I mean Trull was quite obviously more than your average spear twirler...but as much as Icarium has been portrayed and described as a bad ass...Trull did hold him back.

I think the comparison is a moot point though. Rake and Osseric are Gods/Ascendants with enormous physical and magical power...while Trull is/was possibly ascending with unusual martial skills.
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Posted 31 December 2007 - 06:57 AM

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trull hasn't displayed any "power" in RG (the way rake does or osric would). he stood his ground just on the basis of his skill. else he wouldn't have died from a simple stab from a normal weapon.


if this was true, the first blow of Icarium's sword would've shattered his spear.


I don't understand what you mean here Gothos.

Trull hasn't displayed any powers, no extra awareness, no senses, no surges of speed or strength.

The reason to why his spear didn't shatter has been theorized was because he was diverting the blows not blocking them. Otherwise Icarium should have clipped the spear in one swing. Honestly I thought it was ridicolous no matter what explanation thinking about how much power Iccy was wielding by then.
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Posted 31 December 2007 - 06:22 PM

Maybe his power manifested in his fighting prowess...remember the arrow he casually blocked with his spear in Bonehunters. After all, many of the superb fighters seem to possess supernatural physical abilities.
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Posted 31 December 2007 - 09:15 PM

Perhaps being Knight of Shadow (for as briefly as he was) made him an ascendant or have super powers briefly.

Also...Icarium would have eventually broken through those defenses...at least that is what I gathered from the reading.
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Posted 31 December 2007 - 11:49 PM

Call me an old sentimental K9 but lets not forget Trull had already been fighting for ages in the cave before Iccy came along. So that was not a good fight to judge who would win. There is a good chance that things would have gone quite differently if Trull was in good health and strength, both physical and mental, all those days fighting take a toll on anyones psyche. I doubt he could kill Iccy but he might well have bee able to disarm/disable him before his rage went into full demolition mode.
I never saw Trull and Cotillion as being in the same "Shadow". Chances are we would have noticed some form of discomfiture in Cotillion's part had he been pushed down a scale, as has been suggested, by the arrival of Trull.
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 05:06 PM

Iccy can also destroy Azaths. Im not quite sure that Trull is his match lol
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 05:18 PM

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Call me an old sentimental K9 but lets not forget Trull had already been fighting for ages in the cave before Iccy came along. So that was not a good fight to judge who would win. There is a good chance that things would have gone quite differently if Trull was in good health and strength, both physical and mental, all those days fighting take a toll on anyones psyche. I doubt he could kill Iccy but he might well have bee able to disarm/disable him before his rage went into full demolition mode.
I never saw Trull and Cotillion as being in the same "Shadow". Chances are we would have noticed some form of discomfiture in Cotillion's part had he been pushed down a scale, as has been suggested, by the arrival of Trull.


As we saw with Karsa, just knocking Iccy out if he is in a cranky mood isn't enough. His automated destruct sequence will just take over.

And honestly, Trull even in full health and amped on ascendant juice would still have died against Iccy.
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 05:21 PM

Aye... What you need for Iccy is something like Dragnipur.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 06:59 AM

Does Dragnipur...like an Azath...have a limit though? Yeah it is currently holding an elder god....but throw in too many souls and would it break ifself?

Trull could've taken a bath in Ascendant Juice...worked out and drank shots of Ascendant Juice...and maybe even eaten a bunch of ascendants...and yeah...Iccy would've gotten through eventually....
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 07:14 AM

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Does Dragnipur...like an Azath...have a limit though? Yeah it is currently holding an elder god....but throw in too many souls and would it break ifself?

Trull could've taken a bath in Ascendant Juice...worked out and drank shots of Ascendant Juice...and maybe even eaten a bunch of ascendants...and yeah...Iccy would've gotten through eventually....


Well it looked like the 2 hounds of shadow inside dragoninspur were about to jack everything, flip the damn wagon over if paran had not released ...
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 07:51 AM

So I guess Icarium in the sword would be bad....hahhaha.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 08:47 AM

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Well it looked like the 2 hounds of shadow inside dragoninspur were about to jack everything, flip the damn wagon over if paran had not released ...


I think the hounds power in GotM is an exaggerated GotMism. They were supposedly only killable with magic weapons too. We know this isn't true after NoKs and BH. I have a hard time believing that a big fat ferral dragon can't outpull a Hound of Shadow.

The problem isn't that Dragnipur can't handle too much power. The problem, which we hear in MoI, is that Rake is not supplying the sword with enough power.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 08:50 AM

Yeah he has grown too merciful right? God how many hints and tips has SE been dropping about Rake going down? Yes I know we've been talking about this in other threads and i'm not trying to turn the conversation that way.

I wonder who Rake/Osseric's true equal or counterpart was in the Elder House of Shadow? Presumably someone Scabandari murdered?
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 08:52 AM

I think Scabby was the Champion of KE. He hasn't been described as being less powerfull than the two.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 08:58 AM

I don't know. The prologue of MoI made me think Scabby was slightly less powerful than Ruin. We know he was smaller in dragon form as well.

That scene definitely made me think that Scabby couldn't of taken Ruin out in a fair fight. Yet we know that SE is ever murky when it comes to power levels.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 11:07 AM

Yeah. I got the impression the real Champion was one of those Edur Royals mentioned. If Scabby was the Champion of shadow, he wouldnt have needed to orchestrate the grief of Andarist, or the backstabbing of our mate Ruin.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 11:44 AM

Just because you are the champion doesn't mean you can't be an asshole. Just look at Clip.

Why pick a fight when you can just stab a person in the back?
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 12:13 PM

Well, honour would be one reason :p
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 01:05 PM

Honor is for dead people, something that is proved more than once in the series. Of course treachery bares it's own punishment as the Andii believe.
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