[Mentalist]

Zanth13;237759 said:

by the time im done I might actually have a liver, wonder what i should do with it..

Sell it... According to Hellian, then the other will just kick in....

As for mass death, i was giving a hypothetical example, talking by the thousands.... and the point was how things like that don't really happen in SE's work (barring the slaughter of the Aren legion) (sigh, what a major de-railment that turned out to be)...

Anyways, I should probably also note that I do not belong to the "we love Karsa to death" club. I'm more of a Paran/Toc person...

[Gothos]

actually with Icarium's wrath, fragments throughout the books here and there, and actual samples of his rage suggest something different than a wave of energy consuming everything in a 1 thousand mile radius. more like relentless, fast, powerful blows of his sword, like with Trull, in example. also, recall from (I think) Deadhouse Gates, seven thrones destroyed by terrible strikes of an ancient sword... I guess there'd be plenty ways to avoid the shit flying around and he could just run out of enemies in sight and go into a coma or something.

PS. 0 rep power negative repping is something really special :-)

[Zanth13]

kud13;237761 said:

Sell it... According to Hellian, then the other will just kick in....

As for mass death, i was giving a hypothetical example, talking by the thousands.... and the point was how things like that don't really happen in SE's work (barring the slaughter of the Aren legion) (sigh, what a major de-railment that turned out to be)...

Anyways, I should probably also note that I do not belong to the "we love Karsa to death" club. I'm more of a Paran/Toc person...

ahhh, so your talking chain of dogs type massacre{sp?}

well I would still consider the black coral battle close... the bridgeburners were almost completely wiped out, and thats not even a percentage of the casualties...then we had the thousands and thousands killed by Letheri/edur sorcery throughout the battles in Midnight tides.... but I guess allot of these people could be considered red shirts (read: hot pink/hawain shirts) and so dont really matter....


but oh yeah, back to yawnsa i mean Karsa ummm... well i dont have anything to say about him, my brother loves the character, i have mixed emotions, dont hate him, but not my favorite character...in House of chains (i think ) when he gets like 200 pages to himself, i was kinda of thrown off because he was a new character(pretty much), and i wanted to know what was happening to QB, Fiddler, Kalam ect ect...

but i am deff. gonna stay out of the flame battle going on...

i will note that all opinions and or thoughts are welcome, and there is no need to have all the ummm hate.

xanth knows bubba has the perfect pic for internet fighting...

[Gothos]

it's not hate, it's just contempt ;-)
and I think you mean this pic! http://www.geocities.com/jwmetal@sbcglobal...er_internet.jpg

[Dancer+]

Zanth13;237768 said:

xanth knows bubba has the perfect pic for internet fighting...

I only have one thing to add to this thread, Xanth! Don't you mean Zanth.

Oh and I smell change in the air, Karsa MUST die at some point for the series to be complete.

[Mcflury]

well, many people will have to die by the end of the series really... as said before: fiddler will have to die, and I kinda believe ALL bridgeburners will have to die (except perhaps Hedge, who died once already ). I also believe the bonehunters (especially the ones that were purified by Beak) will meet serieus losses...
Kalam and QB will most likely die, side by side, as they should...
Paran will probably die when his task as the master of the deck is done...
Icarium will have to die or find some eternal rest or something like that.
Karsa offcourse will have to go down sooner or later too (and we have the FA to take care of that)
Brood will most likely go down, or at least lose his hammer...
Rake will die, and so will silchas ruin

and then we have all those gods that will have to go down too... or am I exagerating, and won't that many people have to die at all?

[Jayblah]

Have I missed something? Why does Fiddler have to die?

As far as wanton carnage goes and lots of characters dying: As long as they go down in style and befitting their character, I'll be at Dancer's side protecting Erikson.

[Mcflury]

fiddler has to die because he's a bridgeburner, and I do believe at a certain point all bridgeburners will have to die. Besides, Fiddler is a born soldier (he had the opportunity to quit with it, instead he re-enlisted), and born soldiers don't retire; they die.. a noble death.

And yes, as long as the death is noble, I'll nod in approval too... it doesn't mean I won't let a tear, or curse a few times for the unnecesairy kill (Damn you, SE, why Beak? Why-oh-why Beak?), but I'll deal with it... one way or the other... I dealt with Coltaine's death eventually too, didn't I?

[Aptorian]

because it's a tragedy. Erikson doesn't go for the happy endings.

[Dancer+]

Does that mean he's going to make his last book rubbish for a real sense of irony?

[Mcflury]

Erikson does go for happy endings really... you just need to know where to look. Rhulad finally being dead is quite the happy ending (and not for all of Lether I mean, I mean for Rhulad himself). Sure, it's tragedy, but I believe SE is actually trying to show is there will always be hope and hapiness in all of this tragedy. (you know, Pandora's box did indeed release all plagues and sorrow, but at the bottom it had Hope, which got out eventually too) (and with Poliel dead now, the plagues are gone )

[Aptorian]

Mcflury;237813 said:

(and with Poliel dead now, the plagues are gone )

That wasn't a good thing she was just trying to save the world.

[Mcflury]

they are all trying to save the world really, only the visions of how it should be saved differ... and I must say, Poliel was doing it in a weird manner really.
Besides, I didn't say it was a good thing Poliel got killed, I just said she got killed and now there are no more plagues (until some other plague-god turns up offcourse)

[Jayblah]

Mcflury;237803 said:

(Damn you, SE, why Beak? Why-oh-why Beak?)

I'm glad Beak died and his arc concluded so heart-warmingly; a happy end to a tragic life. Hood's comment to Beak made me ridiculously happy. If Beak hadn't died and still had accomplished what he did (last minute ubersave against impending doom), I would've been miffed.

re: Fiddler. Oh, so its not that he has to die, but its likely that he will (as will many others). I was anticipating some mention of Fiddler's passing in one of those pre-chapter poem's I might have missed.

[Mcflury]

nono, Fid doesn't HAVE to die, but he will

And sure, not killing Beak after he just saved all those soldiers would've been retarded idd, but... you know... someone else could've saved those soldiers... But yeah, Beak did die a beautiful way, it's the only thing comforting me (well, that and the thousands of wax statues his brother made him in the afterlife )

[caladanbrood]

Jayblah;237796 said:

Have I missed something? Why does Fiddler have to die?

Fiddler has to die because it's an entire series about malazan soldiers dying, and he's the definition of the malazan soldier. Plus he's now probably the fans' favourite character;)

[ShadowOwl]

Do you think if any living bridgeburner dies now, will they auto-ascend? and then, like, not be dead? So if Fid dies, he might still be around?

[Obdigore]

ShadowOwl: seems like you dont have to be dead to ascend. As is oft repeated, there are no hard and fast rules to what ascension requires.

As made plain by my earlier comments in the thread, I agree with Gothos regarding this topic, but let me try and clear some stuff up.

1) TTT is the race of toblakai, much like Human is... human, and then you have different locations/looks, in example the difference between a human from Darujistahn(sp) and the seven cities.

2) Yes, it is mentioned some powerful TTT's become a warren unto themselves, and Pearl notices a TTT warren on the ship, after the malazans have it, which is after Karsa kills some Edur, and Rhulad's sorcerer brother on it.

3) Avowed's of the Crimson Guard seem to be able to, using their ritual (which seems to me somewhat like the Imass one) and their willpower, heal themselves quickly, fight faster/better. IB fought 6 or 7 half-ascended TTT for a little while, before Ruin walked up naked (which I'm sure scared them) and sliced them up. IB mentions that he will be fine unless/until his concentration wanes. As a note, his mage was helping confuse the TTT for part of the fight.

4) CG did offer the sword to Karsa after he killed Rhulad. He did say it was meant for him all along. Truth? Probably not. Does it really matter at this point? Although it is noted, in Trull's conversation with someone, Onrack i think, that he is concerned because Rhulad, and his patron, were only seeing to the short term, which would mean they would be discarded, or disposed of, after their near goals were reached. (KCCM Invasion Anyone?)

5) It is a tragic series, but an honest one. There is a price for every victory the 'good' side has, and that is as it should be. Who will be standing at the end? I would think very few people, and even fewer who are the 'current' powers, as the CG goes about getting his revenge.

[caladanbrood]

Somehow, I'm sure there would be some way for Erikson to get around the whole ascendancy thing;) After all, even gods can die...

[Lady Atheilen]

Not much to say here (still haven't read RG, or um, BH *cough*) but at me to the Karsa-haters club. Karsa was one of the main reasons why I've been away from the series for so long. I found his parts unbearable and there were MORE AND MORE OF THEM.