[Chosen]

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The upthrust spar was in fact a throne of ice, and on it sat the frozen corpse of a male jaghut. Mummified by cold and desiccating winds, it nevertheless presented an imposing if ghastly figure, a figure of domination, the head tilted slightly downward, as if surveying a ring of permanently supine subjects.
"Death observing Death," Hedge muttered "How damned appropriate. He collected the bodies, then sat down and just died with them. Gave up. No thoughts of vengeance, no dreams of resurrection. Here's your dread enemy, Emroth
"More than you realize," the T'lan Imass replied

Page 404, Reaper's Gale

*Begin crazy theory*

I believe that Hood is actually the Jaghut god. I believe that he was an ascendent, most likely a tyrant, and that he grew with worshipers till he became the god of the Jaghut. He sat upon the throne of ice and was god over their realm. But the war with the T'lan Imass begun, he began to lose followers, his race was approaching extinction, so he sought escape. He was an ascendent without a people and he found an avenue of escape within K'ruls blood. The new-born Warrens needed keepers and rulers. He lef this Hold of Ice and ventured into the Warren of Death as his spirit.

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...king on your melting throne, you drew a breath, then let it go. And....never again. Simple. Easy. WHen you are the last of your kind, and you release that last breath, then it is the breath of extinction.
And it rides the wind.
Every wind.

*A little supporting evidence*

-Why is the Leterii Hold of Ice aspected to death? Why does the king of death reside within the Hold of Ice? Wouldn't it be more appropriate for it to be a Hold of Death/Shadow/Darkness/Void etc..

-The Herald of the House of Chains (can't quite remember his name right now) was a Jaghut, and before serving the Crippled God, he was Herald for Hood. Perhaps Hood felt sentiment for his old race and offered selter to this lone Jaghut?

-What Emroth said to Hedge... The true enemy of the T'lan Imass would be this God, the ruling power of the Jaghuts, the brain behind the war.

*End Crazy Theory*

ok, so I was reading RG again and happened upon pages 402-406 and for some reason that mind made me think that Hood and the Jaghut body on the throne were the same. Not sure how well this theory will stand up, just thought i would throw it out there and see how you guys change/tear down/modify it.

oh yeah....first post!

[Folken]

Lol not really a crazy theory. Rather accepted fact on the board Hood is Jaghut:)

[Chosen]

Lol, missed that... Oh well, at least my first post wasn't....

"HI GUYS IM NEW!!"":eek:

[Aptorian]

Everyone will agree with you that Hood is a Jaghut, but "God of the Jaghut"?

I highly doubt that any Jaghut would worship another Jaghut as a God. If you take Gothos mussing in the start of RG on his beliefs in gods when he was younger, it's obvious that the Jaghut hold no illusions on the nature of gods and what they do with their worshippers.

They might have followed tyrants because they had to, obey or die. But all Jaghut seem capable of doing rituals more or less powerfull then the one Gothos performed, when you have that kind of power the gods bow down to you, not the other way around... or they try to kill you but that's something different

I think Hood was a tyrant, or at least the King of OP. Not a God in the Shadowthrone type of way.

[Chosen]

I believe that Hood was a tyrant that was especially powerful, he had so many mind under his control that it basically was a worship. By Paran's definition of a god it is an ascendent that has followers or worshipers, a being that has reached the pinnicle of its race.

Or, Hood just basically used the warren of Death to escape his own death...thats fitting.

[Clip]

Since he was sitting on a throne it is reasonable to assume that he was Lord/King/whatever of the Hold of Ice.

he could have been simply the first Jaghut to arrive on this world or whatever and so was given that throne, maybe he created the Hold of Ice?

[Dolorous Menhir]

It's a nice theory, but as far as I'm concerned it's been an established fact for the last two or three books that Hood is a Jaghut. It's never been explicitly stated, but the weight of evidence is overwhelming.

God of the Jaghut? No. The Jaghut don't even have souls, and they seem very much to be atheists/rationalists. Rather, as much an atheist as you can be in a world with demonstrably real and active deities. Perhaps it would be better to say that they had no gods of their own.

Hood may have been a particularly powerful Jaghut, and held the Throne of Ice while he was still alive. Even in death he still holds that Throne. But there is zero reason to believe that Hood is, or ever was, a Jaghut Tyrant.

[Gimli's love child]

Not so crazy a theory really.

I reckon that passage is trying to say that beceause of the manner of Hoods Death he was 'selected' (if that is the word) for the position. A bit like how Baudin ended in High House Death.

Hood was probably held in some revere by the Jaghut as indicated by the throne. Most jaghut lets face it have a pretty bleak outlooked on life but to die with his followers/subjects with indifference and no feeling of loss i.e

"How damned appropriate. He collected the bodies, then sat down and just died with them. Gave up. No thoughts of vengeance, no dreams of resurrection. Here's your dread enemy, Emroth"

and to simply so willing accept and embrace death made himself an ideal candiate for the Lord of Death.

[Wampyry]

I am not nearly up to par on Erickson as you guys are. Read all seven books over a period of years. Time for second read I guess. Anyway, I seem to recall Quick Ben calling forth Hood and grabbed him by the neck shaking him. Hard to imagine QB doing that to a Jaghut

[shadowsmurf]

Well, in RG, Quick pretty much demolishes several ascendants, so him shaking a jahgut (or anything else) by the scruff of the neck isn't that out there.

[dktorode]

Didnt he use the stick snare thingy (wich hood bestowed some of his power on) to have the upper hand over hood? Twisting his own power to bid his will or something...thats the only reason he could do as he did IIRC.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Wampyry;209792 said:

I am not nearly up to par on Erickson as you guys are. Read all seven books over a period of years. Time for second read I guess. Anyway, I seem to recall Quick Ben calling forth Hood and grabbed him by the neck shaking him. Hard to imagine QB doing that to a Jaghut

He had a magical grip on him through the link of Talamandas. It wasn't a physical hold. He used Talamandas' link to Hood to get, and keep, Hood's attention.

[Lisheo]

I wonder is it at all possible that Hood created the warren of Omtose Phellack? It wasnt created by Krul, so someone had to make it. Maybe Hood was the first Jaghut, and the creator of OP? Then he decided that as OP was doomed to die, he would rather sit on the new Throne Of Death?

[Seed]

Hmm I just had an interesting thought on the creation of Omtose Phellack. We know the jaghut had a problem with their tempers, perhaps they used some mental exersizes involving encasing their rage in calm cooling ice whenever they got pissed, imagine jaghut mothers teaching this to their kids growing up, it becomes a standard part of all early teachings. An entire race collectively using this mental technique for many generations will leave an imprint on the power currents and perhaps be enough to start aspecting it.

If all your mental techniques involve ice and you love being on your own but you're forced by your masters to dwell in your own crowded (to a jaghut) settlements near their hives, you're going to be using your calming technique lots. When you first start exploring the spiritual/mystic arts you're gonna put a big slant on your already existing mental skills/knowledge as you build on it further. Thow in a few legends about a coming iceage when the opressive kchain masters will be gone and the jaghut will be the ascendant species and you can see why they potentially might have made cause for a elder warren of ice to form for them to learn to tap into a few more generations down the track. Once they break free from the chemaille and decide to go it as mostly loners I'd imagine they get pools of power around the places they meditate like their towers aspected to ice further accelerating the formation of the warren, like ice floes clumping together over time to slowly make a sheet of mystical pack ice...what will be omtose phellack.

Woah, apologies for spinning the thread off course with a huge word dump. I had to type it out while it was sitting in my head.

[Lost Marine]

I thought that since the ritual that Gothos did in the beginning to seal in all the baddies was why the hold of ice was aspected to death there. I'm not sure Hood is a Jaghut, it seems to me if he was the King of the Hold of Ice or whatnot he would have had influence over Letheris and there wouldn't have been the huge backlog of souls that resulted from him not being able to reach into that land and take them away.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Seed;210057 said:

Hmm I just had an interesting thought on the creation of Omtose Phellack. We know the jaghut had a problem with their tempers, etc

If I remember Tool's words correctly, he said that it was very hard to anger the Jaghut, but once their temper was lost then all control went with it. We're not talking about them going nuts due to the daily frustrations of civilised life, more them losing it during a protracted war with their racial nemesis. It was Tool's point that the Jaghut are not normally temperamental, but once you truly angered them...

So I'm skeptical about your theory, but points for creativity.

Lost Marine;210085 said:

I thought that since the ritual that Gothos did in the beginning to seal in all the baddies was why the hold of ice was aspected to death there. I'm not sure Hood is a Jaghut, it seems to me if he was the King of the Hold of Ice or whatnot he would have had influence over Letheris and there wouldn't have been the huge backlog of souls that resulted from him not being able to reach into that land and take them away.

MT states the "Death" sits on the Throne of the Hold of Ice in Lether. "Death" is unquestionably Hood. This means he had influence over Lether, but that was the influence of the King of the Ice Hold, not that of the King of High House Death. Gothos' Ritual prevented the development of the Houses, Death among them, on Lether. That's why Hood retained his role as King of the Ice Hold there - his elsewhere position as King of Death wasn't available.

edit: Oh, and Hood is definitely a Jaghut.

[Zanth13]

Dolorous Menhir;210121 said:

edit: Oh, and Hood is definitely a Jaghut.

Im gonna laugh if Steve E. Makes hood a Fokrul Assail just to fuck with every one in this forum

[Dragnipurake]

Its Onrack that says that to Trull about the 'the trick of angering' the Jaghut. i for one still have some difficulty accepting that the jaghut we see in RG is Hood.

[Kurt Montandon]

xanth13;210128 said:

Im gonna laugh if Steve E. Makes hood a Fokrul Assail just to fuck with every one in this forum

FA don't have green skin.

Hood does.

[Zanth13]

kmmontandon;210136 said:

FA don't have green skin.

Hood does.

Well I wasnt being serious...I also think the hood-jaghut connection makes sense..

I was making a point that until SE says something final its always up to change...He can do what ever he wants... you should read some of the speculation threads before certain books were released... people got stuff wrong all the time... IE there was a pretty long thread about Red mask with all sorts of crazy theories about who he was... I think they all ended up being wrong lol...

Hood could be an sasquatch Toblakai mix for all we know..