[Daeg]

OK..5 days till st Pierre vs. Hendricks...


Any thoughts and who's watching?

[amphibian]

Daeg, on 03 November 2013 - 03:34 AM, said:

I doubt that. My daughter plays soccer, volleyball and basketball and loves it. I actually had her in wrestling when she was 4 but she has never wanted to do it again.

My son is doing some mma as a hobby but he doesn't have a mean bone in his body. He prefers soccer.

Speaking from my experiences dealing with my cousins and a few other kids, the "mean bone" isn't required. It's more of a process of the kid asking his or herself "Is this game fun and can I satisfy my particular competitive desire in it?" Ordering the kid to stay in it for a while can get over the "I don't want to do this unfamiliar stuff" speed bump, but as you say, sometimes, the kid just doesn't want to do it.

My cousins don't want to do the grappling stuff every week and weekend, but they love, love occasionally "horseplaying" around with me and slowly picking up grappling stuff that I'm teaching through the horseplay. Both of them have pretty good back mount retention already, but they much prefer the group sports of soccer or basketball right now.

In a few years, I bet the older boy will want to do this BJJ/MMA stuff with me in addition to other sports, while the younger girl plays soccer and/or floats into princess-land. Some of the kids at my school are doing it because their parents are, but most of them really find it fun and will stick with it a long while of their own accord.

Wrestling might be a little more unwelcoming than muay thai or BJJ for girls. There is a sort of dismissive culture built into it to a greater degree than other combat sports like judo, karate, boxing etc. I've seen it at wrestling tournaments and it sucks. Hopefully, your daughter didn't experience any of that.


On a lighter note: I am really excited for GSP/Hendricks and Weidman/Silva II. SUUUUUUPER matchups.

[Daeg]

amphibian, on 12 November 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

Daeg, on 03 November 2013 - 03:34 AM, said:

I doubt that. My daughter plays soccer, volleyball and basketball and loves it. I actually had her in wrestling when she was 4 but she has never wanted to do it again.

My son is doing some mma as a hobby but he doesn't have a mean bone in his body. He prefers soccer.

Speaking from my experiences dealing with my cousins and a few other kids, the "mean bone" isn't required. It's more of a process of the kid asking his or herself "Is this game fun and can I satisfy my particular competitive desire in it?" Ordering the kid to stay in it for a while can get over the "I don't want to do this unfamiliar stuff" speed bump, but as you say, sometimes, the kid just doesn't want to do it.

My cousins don't want to do the grappling stuff every week and weekend, but they love, love occasionally "horseplaying" around with me and slowly picking up grappling stuff that I'm teaching through the horseplay. Both of them have pretty good back mount retention already, but they much prefer the group sports of soccer or basketball right now.

In a few years, I bet the older boy will want to do this BJJ/MMA stuff with me in addition to other sports, while the younger girl plays soccer and/or floats into princess-land. Some of the kids at my school are doing it because their parents are, but most of them really find it fun and will stick with it a long while of their own accord.

Wrestling might be a little more unwelcoming than muay thai or BJJ for girls. There is a sort of dismissive culture built into it to a greater degree than other combat sports like judo, karate, boxing etc. I've seen it at wrestling tournaments and it sucks. Hopefully, your daughter didn't experience any of that.


On a lighter note: I am really excited for GSP/Hendricks and Weidman/Silva II. SUUUUUUPER matchups.

My daughter actually asked to be in wrestling at age 4. We took her with us when we signed up my son. She watched a practice and then asked to be in it. She loved the exercise and the training but did not care for the competitive, full speed wrestling. When the season was over she declined to sign back up the following season. It was her choice and to this day she prefers not to participate in individual contact sports.

My son is very similar. He liked the exercise and training but did not care for the competitive aspect. He trains in mma now but I am certain he will not compete when he comes of age. He will be able to defend himself but he will probably never initiate a violent situation. He doesn't have a mean bone in his body.

Any predictions on the gsp vs Hendricks bout?

[amphibian]

I think Hendricks wins a decision. The first three rounds to him and the last two to the champion.

[amphibian]

I didn't really know this until college, but I'm one of those people that gets charged up when hit. Played better soccer after taking a hard tackle and was constantly getting into wrestling matches with friends.

So I probably have what you call the mean bone and this fits me. Not everybody has that and I can respect that, as well as your awareness of what your kids do and don't want.

[Daeg]

amphibian, on 13 November 2013 - 03:22 AM, said:

I didn't really know this until college, but I'm one of those people that gets charged up when hit. Played better soccer after taking a hard tackle and was constantly getting into wrestling matches with friends.

So I probably have what you call the mean bone and this fits me. Not everybody has that and I can respect that, as well as your awareness of what your kids do and don't want.

Yeah..my son gets mad also...after he's been hit..kinda sees red...but it takes a couple shots to get him riled up..up until then he wouldn't hurt a fly...he can defend himself very well but he won't be starting any fights..

Myself, I'm more of the cold type...deliberate from start to finish...I can get angry fairly easy but if violence ensues I have no real emotion at all....

What's really funny is about 2 hours ago my daughter asked if she could be in wrestling again...was pretty funny after talking about it on the boards

[Daeg]

amphibian, on 13 November 2013 - 03:18 AM, said:

I think Hendricks wins a decision. The first three rounds to him and the last two to the champion.

I see a lot of grappling....Hendricks fades early...gsp gets a stoppage late 4th or early 5th....

All this assuming gsp don't get knocked the fuck out

This post has been edited by Daeg: 13 November 2013 - 07:31 AM

[amphibian]

I also think Sonnen trucks Evans. Just does what he did to Stann, although perhaps not as fast of a sub.

[Daeg]

amphibian, on 13 November 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

I also think Sonnen trucks Evans. Just does what he did to Stann, although perhaps not as fast of a sub.

I agree. A good part of Evans game is the power punch into takedown/clinch. Sonnen will make this very difficult. Now its just wrestling vs wrestling and I give this to sonnen. Probably will be a little boring but would be worth it to see Evans exposed and see him heading towards the exit.

[Overactive Imagination]

"Vitor is a little more interesting but after the Jon Jones fight I think vitor has shown that he is just too unevolved to be anything but a gate keeper...both were excellent in their day but those days are outdated"

wow.

[Daeg]

Overactive Imagination, on 14 November 2013 - 01:52 AM, said:

"Vitor is a little more interesting but after the Jon Jones fight I think vitor has shown that he is just too unevolved to be anything but a gate keeper...both were excellent in their day but those days are outdated"

wow.

Lol I assume you are talking about vitor's fight with hendo. Vitor did look good. But more importantly, hendo looked terrible. Vitor set hendo up....he circled to hendo's power and then let himself get "trapped" on the cage. When hendo did what everyone knew he would do...duck down and come in throwing overhand rights...vitor let him have it with a solid uppercut.

Vitor looked good against an outdated and mostly one dimensional fighter. I wonder why he chose to pull guard and flip down on his back with Jon Jones. It was a poor plan and gave the fight to Jon without even a hope of winning. Maybe he has one last run in him but he can't fight the way he did with jones or Silva.

[Daeg]

OK...this proves that I dont know my kids as well as I think.

Recently I posted that my eight year old daughter had been in wrestling when she was 4 and that I doubted she would ever be interested in participating again. Last night she came to me and asked if she could join wrestling this year.

We discussed it and she decided she doesn't have enough time. The group she wants to join practices about six hours a week and often have to travel on the weekends. She already participates in a two hour church group once a week and goes in early almost everyday for student council, choir, athletic club and she has basketball on Saturday.

And now for my son. I recently posted that he would never start a fight. Well....he was waiting for me when I got home from work. A kid was picking on him in phys ed. After being choked for no reason, my son turned around and proceeded to punch this kid in the face....many times....so much for not having a mean bone in his body...

[Baco Xtath]

Hendricks was fucking robbed!

[Daeg]

Baco Xtath, on 17 November 2013 - 05:47 AM, said:

Hendricks was fucking robbed!

Probably, but gsp definitely won rnds 3 and 5...its not hard to believe 2 judges gave him 1 more round.

A great card though...a lot of good fights.

Cerrone looked great. Dunham's a decent fighter and he was picked apart.

I was hoping kosheck would do better but he hasn't been the same since the gsp fight.

I was hoping Rory would win but just because I don't like Lawler, not because I'm a big fan of Rory.

I don't like rashad or chael but chael's been beaten enough lately I wouldn't have minded him pulling it off.

Overall, well worth the money.

[Jakovasaurus]

Koscheck got knocked the fuck out. Woodley plowed him viciously. Rory McDonald is a technical fighting automaton, to bad he lost. He's young so his upside is looking pretty sweet. And it's general consensus Hendricks was robbed.

Also, UFC hall of famer Dan Severn looks like Freddie Mercury.

[amphibian]

I scored the fight 3-2 GSP live with a slight argument for 4-1 GSP, with GSP winning most of the second other than when he got blasted.

I just rewatched the first round, which is the one in controversy. I went minute by minute (going from 5:00 to 4:00 left and so on). I had GSP winning 4 of the 5 minutes, with two of them being clearly for him and then slightly for him. Hendricks had one minute clearly for him and did less with his takedown.

So... I don't know why this is getting the reaction it is.

I have a ton of respect for both fighters - they came prepared and put out a ton of effort into their performances. GSP is amazing in what he can do and so is Johny, but I believe GSP actually won the fight and the 48-47 score turned in by the judges is the right one.

Bizarre - usually I'm the one crapping all over the judges. This event, it was just me crapping all over Kim Winslow's awful, awful, fighter-endangering positioning and bad instructions to fighters in-cage. Beyond her fight stopping positioning being off, she looked at a dude, asked him if he had a mouthpiece (he didn't) and then motioned him into the cage. She was frickin' a foot away from his mouth and missed the lack of a mouthpiece!

[Overactive Imagination]

Hendricks won rounds 2 and 4, GSP got 3 and 5. Round 1 was close i think. Definitely not a "robbery." Anyone calling it a robbery is a dick.

The fight was really good. Super competitive and both fighters were going for it.

Also I'm glad Lawler won. Guy's a badass.

This post has been edited by Overactive Imagination: 17 November 2013 - 10:02 AM

[Baco Xtath]

Overactive Imagination, on 17 November 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

Hendricks won rounds 2 and 4, GSP got 3 and 5. Round 1 was close i think. Definitely not a "robbery." Anyone calling it a robbery is a dick.

The fight was really good. Super competitive and both fighters were going for it.

Also I'm glad Lawler won. Guy's a badass.

Dick? Wow. Most people (on MMA forums) agree he was robbed (Dana -drama queen that he is- is calling for the mayor to step in) and those that don't equate jabs with devastating overhands that nearly floor the opponent or are smothering GSP's nuts with their huggery. And, Amph, 4 - 1 GSP? Seriously? Yeah, GSP won two rounds on points, but the fight? No. And I've watched the fight twice also. I actually like GSP better than Hendricks but blind, I am not.

[Jakovasaurus]

At the UFC 167 weigh in someone was excited.

Spoiled for those of you offended by stiffies.

Spoiler

[amphibian]

Baco Xtath, on 17 November 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

Dick? Wow. Most people (on MMA forums) agree he was robbed (Dana -drama queen that he is- is calling for the mayor to step in) and those that don't equate jabs with devastating overhands that nearly floor the opponent or are smothering GSP's nuts with their huggery. And, Amph, 4 - 1 GSP? Seriously? Yeah, GSP won two rounds on points, but the fight? No. And I've watched the fight twice also. I actually like GSP better than Hendricks but blind, I am not.

An extremely close decision isn't a robbery. Condit/Diaz wasn't a robbery, although almost everyone has their firm opinion on who actually won the fight. It's two fighters putting out performances so nearly equal that it's truly hard to evaluate in the immediate sense. Only with a lot of re-watching and jotting down notes do we approach a true decision.

Which is why I re-watched that first round four times to get this, which I wrote over on InStrength:

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Focusing on Round 1:

First minute is all GSP. Lands several strikes, the takedown, goes for a guillotine and then clinches up to mutual short strikes, which is what he wants.

Second minute is maybe 55/45 GSP. He gets in on a single, holds it and takes some bs, not-counting strikes until they jam up against the cage. He keeps the leg, Hendricks starts firing serious elbows into his head. That bugs GSP and he abandons the leg to clinch up. It's GSP controlling where the fight takes place, but Hendricks firing back made him let go and adjust to something else.

Third minute is Hendrick's. He gets an advantage in the clinch, fires off some good leg-targeted knees then grabs a takedown, but does essentially nothing with it. It's not as valuable a takedown as GSP's was. They break at almost the minute mark.

Fourth minute is all GSP. Has the better strikes, including a lighter head kick, a few jabs, avoids basically everything Johny throws and they end up clinched as the minute ends. Johny had a big knee in the beginning of the minute, but not much else after.

Last minute is GSP 55-45. He gets the edge with more strikes, with a couple heavy knees, a head kick and a couple leg kicks although Johny lands a very nice left straight that bugs GSP and has a heavy leg kick.

So yeah, Round 1 was for GSP. Since that's the most controversial one, that's probably the fight right there. GSP 1, 3, 5. Hendricks 2, 4.

I also think Johny's BJ Penn-like skin has something to do with this. He just doesn't look as marked up, despite taking punches and kicks that GSP visibly busted up Koscheck, Shields and a few others with.