[tiam]

yeh they never really appeared did they? We saw a few thrones of war. Also were are Tavore an that gonna go now

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

It wouldn't surprise me if he came back. After such a big deal was made in him not getting killed earlier, it seems strange that he just drops out of the story now.

[airheadgreg]

He'll pop up again, but i think back to life would be seeing the line and leaping well over it. The Quick Ben idea intrigues me, like he makes a deal with Hood to take on Toc's soul in exchange for something we don't know about until well after it happens as in the SE way.

So yeah, coming back to life would be just silly (But SE could probably make it work well), SE can't do a Hedge thing again but i think we'll at least see Toc doing something spirity...Or maybe all your favourite characters who have popped their clogs will make a strange come back like Karsa's chains of souls being useful...but that is rather far fetched...

[mmdw45]

Toc's not done yet, or at least K'rul thinks so. MoI hardback, p. 211.

'She seeks... redress.' The realization flooded Toc's mind, and he knew that the knowledge was not his, but an Elder God's. Who now spoke directly, in a voice that trickled like sand into the Malazan's thoughts. 'To right an old wrong, heal an old scar. You shall cross paths again. It is, however, of little consequence. It is the final meeting that concerns me, and that will be years away in all consequence....'

I have no idea how K'rul knew that Toc would bump into Kilava in Lether (the meeting of "little consequence"), but apparently he knows something--and Toc is not yet done.

-Max

[drinksinbars]

mmdw45;194541 said:

Toc's not done yet, or at least K'rul thinks so. MoI hardback, p. 211.

'She seeks... redress.' The realization flooded Toc's mind, and he knew that the knowledge was not his, but an Elder God's. Who now spoke directly, in a voice that trickled like sand into the Malazan's thoughts. 'To right an old wrong, heal an old scar. You shall cross paths again. It is, however, of little consequence. It is the final meeting that concerns me, and that will be years away in all consequence....'

I have no idea how K'rul knew that Toc would bump into Kilava in Lether (the meeting of "little consequence"), but apparently he knows something--and Toc is not yet done.

-Max

great find!!!

@whoever asked after the perish - its made quite clear that the perish are the foreign army invading letherii from the east along with the bolkando conspiracy armies. Tavore also makes it seem like she is taking the bonehunters up against the KCCM, though it may be that is simply where this battlefield of the gods is.

[tiam]

Yeh which makes me think this new war with Lether was about befreinding them possibly. To then use against the KCCM/NR in the east. The Sky Keeps are the beginning of a war i feel with all the powers of order or g'good guys'.

I love clutching at straws

[Sindriss]

Hood said that Toc was already owned by him, since his father had baptised him or something. Maybe he will return again as a servant of hood, there is surely some position left for him. Soldier of High house death? As i recall Baudin is the knight, so soldier should still be availble.

[Talamadas]

The Second Seguleh is the Soldier.
Btw Toc doesn't like being a soldier so it is only fair that he would have a different position if your assumption is correct that he will come back as servant of Hood.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Looking at the available positions in HHDeath (from the GotM glossary), Toc could become Herald, Spinner or Mason. I would put Spinner as most likely, since Toc clearly sits down at some point and produces some poetry and books to cover all the chapter headings attributed to him.

[Danyah]

Meh. Who says those positions are unoccupied? Most of them we haven't met. Holding a position in a house doesn't mean you become Wu-famous. Agalya's not bragging about her being weaver in HHL.

Doesn't GotM say that once you cross the Gates of Hood there's no way back? Don't think it's usefull to push your future subordinates trough the Gate of No Return. Although I doubt the relevance of of the first statement, since there seem to be a lot of wandering souls about.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

And also, GotM isnt known for it's accuracy in such matters, as the hermaphroditic Orfantal will attest.

[Dolorous Menhir]

I wasn't saying those positions were unoccupied based on what the GotM glossary says. Just that the glossary shows that they exist. I was anticipating being challenged on the "who says there's a spinner of death?" aspect.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

Sorry I meant with regards to the Hood's Gate/No Return thingy mentioned in GotM that Danyah said- I was just saying we shouldnt use that as a reason for thinking Toc wont come back as GotM is not consistent with the rest of the series all the time.

Sorry, a clarification error on my point.

[Danyah]

I know GotM is full of...GotMisms, hence my last sentence. As for a position in the house, just think it's unlikely, cause imo you are actively and concenually recruited for a house. Since Toc held unwillingly a mortal position in a priesthood, I don't think he will be in the House of War anywhere. And Hood came to meet Toc because he has died three times irrc before arriving at the Gate. Reason enough to show up. And apparently, because of the eye, he got away again.

So whatever job offers the HHD has, Toc is not going to accept one. He promotes atheism on several occasions. Would be a major character inconsistency if he accepted godhood.

[Sindriss]

Well, who said something about godhood?
Also, we have by now seen quite a few remarkeble characters who are doing a gods work without being really into it. So SE can easily fit the lore to work with a person who should be doing his gods work, but is wandering more or less around and seeking redemtion or something.

[Danyah]

Err... high houses are like political parties of Gods. If you worship Hood, then you probably worship the rest of the Household too. And I don't think non-ascendants are asked to do the job.

[Sindriss]

Are we sure that all members of the different high houses are ascendants? Kallor for one isnt an ascendant, but he is still in high house chains.

[Obdigore]

yes there are non-ascendants in the houses.

I don't think Karsa has ascended (yet perhaps) and yet is in a house.
Kallor can't ascend atm, and is in a house.

[Abyss]

The Perish and the Khundryl were waiting to the east. They were not invading Leth.

It certainly looks like the Wolves kept the option on re-Toc, but honestly, after the Brys finger-revival, imnsho, enough already. Great character. Great storylines. He's dead, please SE move it on.

- Abyss, dead and luving it.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Sindriss;194725 said:

Are we sure that all members of the different high houses are ascendants? Kallor for one isnt an ascendant, but he is still in high house chains.

You don't have to be an ascendant to be in a High House - just look at the membership of High House Chains.