[Illuyankas]

I'm sure people are still checking out the Subscription thread before they get a copy of RG, so I'm starting this one for those who've finished the book and want to edit their old ideas and post new thoughts on it. You can always merge the two threads later, once more people get their hands on RG.

So, what new theories have you come up with, and which of your old ones have been changed, since you finished the book?


Personally, I think that the saviour of Emurlahn is now Seren's child, with a possible raid on the new Azath for Kettle's soul since that did come out of the blue; and that there are at least eight Elient left in the world now - Silannah, the three flying through the Azath in DG, the chained three in TBH and the otataral dragon - with a 'maybe alive' on the other warren's wellspring dragons, and no others. I still have doubts about every other dragon dying from simple starvation, though it does make sense in a strictly 'exhausting the food supply' way. And adding an extra spin on K'rul and co.'s exiling of the Elient to their own home to die. More as I make more baseless leaps as they occur.

[phart]

Illuyankas;182299 said:

I'm sure people are still checking out the Subscription thread before they get a copy of RG, so I'm starting this one for those who've finished the book and want to edit their old ideas and post new thoughts on it. You can always merge the two threads later, once more people get their hands on RG.

So, what new theories have you come up with, and which of your old ones have been changed, since you finished the book?


Personally, I think that the saviour of Emurlahn is now Seren's child, with a possible raid on the new Azath for Kettle's soul since that did come out of the blue; and that there are at least eight Elient left in the world now - Silannah, the three flying through the Azath in DG, the chained three in TBH and the otataral dragon - with a 'maybe alive' on the other warren's wellspring dragons, and no others. I still have doubts about every other dragon dying from simple starvation, though it does make sense in a strictly 'exhausting the food supply' way. And adding an extra spin on K'rul and co.'s exiling of the Elient to their own home to die. More as I make more baseless leaps as they occur.

I concur about Seren.

I believe that Clip is going to kill Rakes children in front of him, the reasons being to show Rake how mother Dark felt when she "lost" Rake, he thinks in RG how he was going to make him feel the same pain or some such.

[Morgoth]

Some cryptic reference made by... Mael?... makes me wonder whether whomever suggested the CG as a god of love wherever he came from might've been closer to the truth than we thought.

I also think that they're not killing but chaining the CG because his body as scattered and damaged whereas his freed spirit would be whole and thus wastly more powerfull than he is now

[Lister of Smeg]

Something said early in the book (can't for the life of me remember what it is) made me think that Shal-Morzinn is ruled by three Tiste Liosan. Now there's a crazy theory if ever I heard one.

One of the last two books is going to take place in Bolkando or possibly further east, and will feature the Fourteenth, along with the Barghast, Perish and Khundryl, taking on an army of K'Chain Che'Malle, who are another of the CG's Empires. Mael, I think, says at one point that he has more than one, after all.

[Illuyankas]

I took that to reference the Malazan Empire now, but it sounds interesting...

[polishgenius]

I'm going to put forward my Quick-Ben-has-Eleint-blood theory. Basically, Rud Ellale's mentioned to heal from major injuries stronger than he was before due to his Eleint blood, and Quick seems to have done the same magically. It does make sense, honest...

[polishgenius]

Hmmmmmmm.

Quick Ben is part Mule of Darkness? I think you've got it!

[Lister of Smeg]

Maybe they meet in TtH so we can find out. That will be the big finale of the book. Mule against Mule. Even Karsa will be on the edge of his seat, wondering who will win.

[Bloodyrazor]

Redmask lives!!

He just put his mask on some poor hapless letherii sod and set his 2 pets upon the poor schmuck making people believe him to be dead while actually he is off to go play with the last remaining Awl children.

Btw anyone else feeling the Awl are somehow connected to the owl which seems to get mentioned quite a few times in the book, without seeming to have any meaning? Come to think of it kinda in the way the White Crow was mentioned in MT...

I wonder who the Owl will turn out to be...
I'm guessing the mortal sword to some God or whatever.

Mortals swords do seem to be the latest Fashion thing these days...

[Morgoth]

@Bloodyrazor - looking back, it is relatively certain that the Redmask we followed throughout the book was Letherii and that it is that person who was killed by the KC.. So no, I don't think redmask lives still, at least not the one we got introduced to

[spiralx]

The whole Redmask thing seems a little puzzling and pointless. Hopefully it'll have some kind of significance later in the series though.

[Bloodyrazor]

It was certain he was letherii? I admit to having only read the book once but he didnt sound very letheriyi (did I just make up a new word?) to me. Also any thoughts on the Awl - Owl thing ?

[Set'alahd Crool]

Redmask was probably the factor's son, and his 'sister' - taken hostage by said factor - was probably actually his mother.
Or not. Maybe he was an imposter set up by the KCCM.

[Morgoth]

I find myself quoting my own posts more than what's healthy. I do by no means proclaim the words beneath to be the truth or the only viable theory, I just cannot be bothered to write up my theories once more when this is a much simple way of doing it

Morgoth;182382 said:

though, as we were shown with the corpse of Toc, collecting the face of slain enemies seems to be a tradition among certain parts of the Letherii army. As Redmask did this with the first two people we saw him slay, it is logical to assume the Letherii man they found behind the mask was the Redmask we followed throughout the story, not some imposter or decoy added at the end.

This will make among other things, the murder of the all man easier to explain. The sage knew this Redmask was not the original one, yet did not reveal this to anyone else because he recogniced the imposter's wish to defeat the Letherii.

Perhaps the man was a companion of the real redmask, perhaps there's been some kind of soulshifting, or perhaps the original redmask actually was an adopted Letherii child, though i'd assume the Atri-Preda would've known if so and thus revealed it to us. Nevertheless, we should not discount the possibility that Redmask never was of Awl blood. Indeed, the child believed to be Redmask does not necessarily have to be Redmask. Legends, even the newer ones, tend to get facts muddled up

[Set'alahd Crool]

Just to clarify, when I said imposter I didn't mean a last minute substitution for the final battle. Having said that, if he was a KCCM fake from the start then his internal dialogue doesn't make much sense.

No easy answers, as usual with SE.

[Bloodyrazor]

I like the idea of it being soulshifting, it has that weird Mortal Swordesque feel to it, since most of them have been soulshifted/resurected/beingdead/you name it kinda thing going for themselves.

[Whelp]

I wonder if there is a connection between the post of a T'orrud Segal (sp?) and the T'orrud Cabal (sp?) of Darujhistan...

[Dolorous Menhir]

Whelp;184319 said:

I wonder if there is a connection between the post of a T'orrud Segal (sp?) and the T'orrud Cabal (sp?) of Darujhistan...

Well if "Torrud Segul" is First Empire for Shield Anvil, then that means the T'orrud Cabal are the Shield and the Seguleh are the Anvil.