[phart]

wow hasn't the seven cities man came along something nice.

It would appear that QB has severly powered up, from the fight at the first throne, maybe even Trull as well for all the good it did him.

If we look at QB's abilities before end of BH, compared to what he did in RG, once he got his breath back.

Before

Struggled with Tiste Andii assasin mages
easily captured by CG, untill intervention.
had no chance against the Warlocks in BH
struggled at Coral, maybe had Hoods help.

After

whacked 4 Tiste Eleint ascendants


Now i'm probably being very unfair but it is a massive step up in ability, or Tiste Eleint ascendants aren't all that.Though 2 in a Azath house sorely tests it.

In saying that if it is something to do with the first throne as Trull to began with struggling with 2 Edur warriors and progresses to holding Iccy back giving Ruin all he can handle to nailing Rakes Mortal Sword easily (i'm sure everyone saw that coming as soon as Clip mentioned spears).

Ack i don't know just didn't sit too well with me, but of course there is probably a reason, i can handle the time line issues, but things like why was Udinass shown a scene which mustn't have happened as Rake vs Osric (someone at my work is called this)appeared to have not me happened.

I'm sure its all explained i just missed it.

[Morgoth]

Morgoth;182207 said:

I think you're overestimating QB somewhat. Ye's he's grown more powerfull. A result of Iccy or meddling by ST probabaly, but he was far from a match for the sisters. Notice, he didn't block their sorcerous attacks but rather... cheated to make them miss their target. He used brains, rather than power so to say.

The true damage done to the three was done by themselves and the two bonecasters.

As for Silchas Ruin. QB didn't defeat him, the cussers did. Though, one can question whether Silchas Ruin was defeated or just withdrawed because it wasn't worth it. No matter, him being bested was -as with the sisters- mainly a result of arrogance. If he'd just landed on a hill close by and incinerated the whole city from afar, I am sure none would be able to stop him. Apart perhaps from Mal.

The way I see it, QB is stronger than before, but he is still no match in power to the draconean ascendants. QB's major asset is still his mind, not his power.

That's the way I understand it at any rate

[Ivan the terrible]

Nah screw the doubt and hedging, all bets are off! Those sceptics among us eat your eats now. Beyond all doubt Quick is a badass capital B. And we still don't know what half his tricks...the man has promised the Cripple God failure. But never mind that it is becoming more obvious that the Chained one isn't too great a worry. Dismissed as out of his depth by Quick were he to intervene in the Bentract Silchis debacle. Returning to the point that Sukul or whatever was afraid of Quick, not of his tricks of the man...

The Chained one cried and bawled for Fcuk sake! Even if he is an Elder the Errant's example proves what D'rek implied the power lies with Mortals. The Chained while relevent will become less and more...a figure head imprisoned by the reciprocal cause and effect relation between Master and Slave god and worshipper.


And it should be noted that even tho he was present and influential on Lether...the real power play in Starveld whatever involved him not at all! But it might have (and this is important) been somewhat designed by Shadowthrone and Cotillion and maybe Hood but only because of his discussion with ST earlier. The worry that arises from this Book is in Eastern Lether and the still mysterious Lizards...Karsa's seemingly unstoppable rises to God hood could prove problematic for EVERYONE.Icarium WTF one bad move and it seems the continent, the world will die!That we have accepted his self referential comparison to Krul indicates the level of Power he represents oh And the mystery of the Dragons deepens.

I guess what i'm trying to say is that old measures of power don't count anymore...the Crippled god ain't the player he thought. Anyone who wants to be influential had to step up their game or show their full hand...Quick Ben among others did.

[phart]

Morgoth;182209 said:

That's the way I understand it at any rate

OK i reread the part forget Ruin, its true he just chased him off after two cussers.

But the other three he mauled no other way to put it.


First he made the ground rise up and hit them, then he buried/landslided them with "tons of earth" he then sent "wave after wave" as he strode into the pit, rocks were disappearing into gas, he then sent more waves into them, he then sent one of them flying backwards "tearing gouges" out of the earth, one tried to fly so it got smashed into the ground with "bone crunching force" one appeared to be on fire. Then two turned on each other and the other flew off as he had turned it into one bi bruise, and hedge remarked that they turned on each other as they knew there was no way past QB. Hedge then killed an almost helpless one which had had its guts torn out by mendanore presumably. QB also casually walked away.

QB mauled them no other way to put it.

I was wrong about Ruin, Ruin was trying to get airborned again before being knocked two blocks (maybe) and retreated.

[Gem Windcaster]

Yes, Quick pretty much owns people. I knew it.

[Trotts]

Just my two cents, but when Quick fought against the 3 sisters, I think part of his ability to rock their worlds came from the fact that they almost outright ignored him. They weren't really fighting at full strength, so to speak.

[panic]

He was already fairly powerful:

1: Went toe-to-toe with Raest for a bit

2. Gave the crippled God a slap in the face when he tried to capture him

3. Brought a soul back as a marionette

4. Made the magic item that brought back Duiker

5. Beat up the two necromancers

6. Let's not forget Shadowthrone specifically picked him for the fight with Icarium and he held his own for a bit - far better than most people

It does make sense for someone to grow in power though. Isn't he young for a mage?

[polishgenius]

He didn't kill the sisters, but I think it was Sukul - whichever one was flying away at the end, anyway - that claimed she never wanted to face him again, which suggests it was more than just playing chicken. And Ruin was battered by the cussers, but he didn't run away till Quick hit him either.

[Chance]

fastwinstondoom;183366 said:

...on a sidenote, I think it's important to remember that he didn't actually kill any of the sisters, even if he bloodied their noses. Most of the damage was inflicted by the bonecasters, or during the cat fight.

Not to take anything away from QB, he's come along way since GotM!!

Id rather say he used exactly as much power and inflicted exactly as much damage as was needed...there was no need to unleash more power was it the gem thingy was safe Still I think we overestimate the three sisters just because they are draconian assendants does not put them up with Rake and crew...and Ruin had been inside a prison for the last ages not really the best comparisons as they probably even hade very little knowledge of how warrens work and how he could hit them...

[BridgeBurner]

panic;183351 said:

He was already fairly powerful:

4. Made the magic item that brought back Duiker

Huh? Did I miss something there? As far as I thought that item was delivered to Coltaine by the Trygalle Guild, without it being said it was made by QB. (Unless this bit is revealed in RG, which is on its way to me)

I always gathered it was probably sent by Dujek/Whiskeyjack, and made by Baruk or some other surviving Torrud Cabal mage.

IIRC, QB sent Fiddler the Moranth munitions though.

[Set'alahd Crool]

Quick's assertion that he's a lot meaner since facing Icarium is interesting. It seems he strained himself and something....snapped. Perhaps one or more(all?) of his souls has come to the fore to buffer hs frail flesh against his power. Maybe some mental block/safeguard has been binned.

Whatever happened to him, I suspect Quick is no longer limitted to a paltry 7 warrens at once.

[Gem Windcaster]

Set said:

Quick's assertion that he's a lot meaner since facing Icarium is interesting. It seems he strained himself and something....snapped. Perhaps one or more(all?) of his souls has come to the fore to buffer hs frail flesh against his power. Maybe some mental block/safeguard has been binned.

Whatever happened to him, I suspect Quick is no longer limitted to a paltry 7 warrens at once.

I get that feeling too. And it makes sense. I mean, the dude have had twelve warrens to access - twelve! There's got to be more to it than he've showed so far. And there has to be a reason for Quick being a paranoid sneaky bastard...
Btw, I don't think he'll hide as much now.

[panic]

"Huh? Did I miss something there? As far as I thought that item was delivered to Coltaine by the Trygalle Guild, without it being said it was made by QB. (Unless this bit is revealed in RG, which is on its way to me)"


It was said subtly that Ben was the one who sent it for Coltaine. The Trygalle guide mentioned how intriguing the mage who made it was.

"I get that feeling too. And it makes sense. I mean, the dude have had twelve warrens to access - twelve! There's got to be more to it than he've showed so far. And there has to be a reason for Quick being a paranoid sneaky bastard...
Btw, I don't think he'll hide as much now."


I thought it's been implied that he can access possibly 14 or more but that accessing 12 of them in a short time will wear him out a lot. See the two necromancers fight - he accessed 12 in a short time, but I'm sure he held some back. He didn't need more.

[panic]

^two separate instances of 6 warrens at once

[Trotts]

Quote

And there has to be a reason for Quick being a paranoid sneaky bastard...
Btw, I don't think he'll hide as much now."

Meh, I hope he doesn't stop being the "sneaky paranoid bastard" he is, I mean thats whats kept him alive for so long lol, he just wouldn't be Quick without it.

[Gem Windcaster]

Trotts;183639 said:

Meh, I hope he doesn't stop being the "sneaky paranoid bastard" he is, I mean thats whats kept him alive for so long lol, he just wouldn't be Quick without it.

I'm pretty sure he'll continue being a paranoid sneaky bastard - he'll not just hide as much. Ow, that sounds scary.

[phart]

polishgenius;183381 said:

He didn't kill the sisters, but I think it was Sukul - whichever one was flying away at the end, anyway - that claimed she never wanted to face him again, which suggests it was more than just playing chicken. And Ruin was battered by the cussers, but he didn't run away till Quick hit him either.

she also says if she never sees him again that wiull suit her, basically she is terrified of him, so a Tiste Elient Ascendant is terrified of QB and never ever wants to face him again, i still can't see why people think he only roughed them up??

[phart]

Set said:

Quick's assertion that he's a lot meaner since facing Icarium is interesting. It seems he strained himself and something....snapped. Perhaps one or more(all?) of his souls has come to the fore to buffer hs frail flesh against his power. Maybe some mental block/safeguard has been binned.

Whatever happened to him, I suspect Quick is no longer limitted to a paltry 7 warrens at once.

Some where in RG QB goes on about his souls getting revealed or something i need to reread it to find the point again, at the time i remember making a mental note of it, its only one sentence, but then loads of other great things happened and i forgot .

[Trotts]

I remember, towards the end, Hedge asks why all those souls are still hiding inside Quick, and when theyll come out.