[Gem Windcaster]

phart;183694 said:

she also says if she never sees him again that wiull suit her, basically she is terrified of him, so a Tiste Elient Ascendant is terrified of QB and never ever wants to face him again, i still can't see why people think he only roughed them up??

Exactly my thought.

[BridgeBurner]

me said:

"Huh? Did I miss something there? As far as I thought that item was delivered to Coltaine by the Trygalle Guild, without it being said it was made by QB. (Unless this bit is revealed in RG, which is on its way to me)"

panic;183575 said:

It was said subtly that Ben was the one who sent it for Coltaine. The Trygalle guide mentioned how intriguing the mage who made it was.

Quotes, please? Because I find all Torrud Cabal Mages intriguing too, maybe even more intriguing than QB, considering their history. Especially with what we have learned about them recently. Meaning, that statement doesn't prove the thing was made by QB.

[phart]

Trotts;183705 said:

I remember, towards the end, Hedge asks why all those souls are still hiding inside Quick, and when theyll come out.

I thinks thats it, then my dismay at the easily handling of the sisters knocked it out my mind, lol.

I cant quite recall the gist of it, i'll have a wee scan tonight and probably forget by tomorrow.

[panic]

Set said:

Quick's assertion that he's a lot meaner since facing Icarium is interesting. It seems he strained himself and something....snapped. Perhaps one or more(all?) of his souls has come to the fore to buffer hs frail flesh against his power. Maybe some mental block/safeguard has been binned.

Whatever happened to him, I suspect Quick is no longer limitted to a paltry 7 warrens at once.

Perhaps he had to bind the souls to hide his power. In GotM in a conversation with Kalam he talked about running away before the convergence of powers happened. He does not like to get noticed by ascendants.


Another possibility is that he had to bind the souls fairly tight so that his personality could not be usurped. In the flashback in Raraku he mentions them being in turmoil. Maybe he has enough strength of personality to prevent them from gaining precedence now.

[Gem Windcaster]

Ah, imagine Quick Ben, but with a split personality! Scary...

[Nameless One]

BridgeBurner;183711 said:

Quotes, please? Because I find all Torrud Cabal Mages intriguing too, maybe even more intriguing than QB, considering their history. Especially with what we have learned about them recently. Meaning, that statement doesn't prove the thing was made by QB.

Quote

He leaned forward and held out a hand, palm up. Something shimmered into existence on it, a small oblong bottle of smoky gray glass on a silver chain. "And, from an alarmingly mysterious mage among the Bridgeburners, this gift was fashioned." He held it out to Coltaine. "For you. Wear it. At all times, Fist."

Quote

"And such a man, that creator! A dozen Ascendants would dearly love his head served up on a plate, his eyes pickled, his tongue skewered and roasted with peppers, his ears grilled--"

Don't know what that last part is about. How would he know about QB's dealings with the gods?

[Trotts]

Thats still not completly definitive. I mean what if they mean Spindle? Im sure lots of ascendants dont like his hair shirt :angel:

[panic]

BridgeBurner;183711 said:

Quotes, please? Because I find all Torrud Cabal Mages intriguing too, maybe even more intriguing than QB, considering their history. Especially with what we have learned about them recently. Meaning, that statement doesn't prove the thing was made by QB.

Give me a day or two. It's i nthe American version of the book though so bear with me.

[panic]

Nm, thanks Nameless One (btw reference to the game?)

[BridgeBurner]

panic;183776 said:

Nm, thanks Nameless One (btw reference to the game?)

Yes, thanks

[tiam]

ive just finished RG (literally 5 mins ago) and it seems that Qb did gang rape the 3 sisters. Theres definitely something were not seeing with him and also not even Hedge knows his soletaken form.

Back to Qb tho it seems that he has 'been stretched thin. making me meaner' he said or something to that effect. This seems to me that QB let loose against Icarium and this has snapped something inside him, possibly the thing that stopped him unleashing more than seven warrens. In any case people who say that he was under estimated or that the sisters weret ready or united or some such crap havent looked at it. It even says that all three of the sisters draw their warrens. Fair enough QB did use the ground to make them miss their attack. But he drove them down from the sky so he wouldnt miss.

Silchas was however weakened by the cussers and was then blasted by QB. On the whole though it seems hes either grown in power or has been keeping something back making mesuspect hes still something far more than we expect.

[Trotts]

There is no doubt that the fight with Icarium "unlocked" something in Quick, something that was previously being held back. And he definetly fought well against the three sisters (smacked them down to the ground with a chunk of earth and then blasting wave after wave of magic at them).

But I still get the feeling that they weren't considering Quick to be a threat just "a pathetic mortal that seeks to stand in their way" The 3 sisters were so cocky, they thought a simple little burst of energy would be enough to knock Quick down. Personally, If Menandore hadn't been so singularly focused on Scabandaris finnest, she could have gleaned some information as to how much power Quick actually possesses. And they could have gone in more guns a'blazin.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Trotts;184111 said:

There is no doubt that the fight with Icarium "unlocked" something in Quick, something that was previously being held back.

Holding off Icarium was probably worth a million experience points. And he did it again and again and again...

[fan_83]

lets be serious here...
qb is powerful... that is true... but as he said so himself, mortal flesh or human flseh has a limit to how much power he can channel.. he unleashed the first wave against the sisters and the strike was sucessful because the sisters were cocky bastards..

do you really think that qb could have won against 3 eleint soletaken who were prepared for him and not warring against one another?

and you have to know that it would take all 3 sisters to tale down ruin and qb only manage to drive him away after 2 cussers..

or perhaps ruin noticed that the letharii govt was toppled and thus negating his need for bloodshed? afterall his flight to letharas was to get rid or rhulad or the letharii govt i believe and when he got there, they were both gone.. and that he has no reason to fight anymore and thus withdraw...

i mean silchas ruin the soletaken eleint who is powerful enough to take down a couple of fokrul at a time shouldn;t lose to a high mage...

and from his hits, silchas was not expecting to battle against hte malaz, his targets were the letharii..

jsut a prespective

[tiam]

Yes i agree Siclas was reasonably ambushed by Malazans and the cussers did do their work. But the sisters if you read the passage again all focused their warrens on QB. It was only because he cut them with a sort of earth uppercut that they missed. He then drove them down to the floor and blasted them. Im not saying if they aere all prepared for a possible ascendent level mage they would have prepared better but they did all attack himnd he did bitch slap them.

[phart]

Hetan;184454 said:

I'm in full agreement with the above. It's more or less a power-up if you want to view it in those terms, added to the eleint's view of their own superiority.
Quick Ben has been under-estimated before - and also has twelve warrens at his disposal - far more than the average mage.

So you think it was perfectly reasonable to assume that QB could waste 3 Tiste elient ascendants?

I just find it very out of the blue.

To the person that says Rake is the tactical genius i reread MOI battle scene with Rake last night and he uses the exact tactics that the sisters used on QB, when he attacks the Panions, ie fly low open mouth and unlease your warren, or try to.

[Anomander Rake]

Well as we know the body can only take only so much power, if you go beyond that then like Beak your body begins to waste away till its all bones.

As to Quick Ben, I believe QB didn't know how much power he can call before, especially with the 12 souls, therefore in the past it could be assummed that he kept to a limit that he thought he could handle, without destroying himself in the process. When facing Icarium, he was forced to go well beyond the limits he believed were safe for him, and now has realised that he can control a lot more power in himself without wasting away or destroying himself.

Another could be, just like with Muscle Growth, if you want your muscles to grow, lift heavier weights each time, and work till your tired (and then comes the diet etc, which we'll ignore), but if you lift weights you can't handle, then your likely to pull a muscle, or damage yourself seriously. It could be possible that same works for magic, in that QB pushed himself against Icarium, and now has an increased capacity of how much power he can use, and rather than before holding himself back, and only using little, he's pushing all he can use safely, and hoping this will continue to increase his capacity.

[Illuyankas]

Hmm, I like that theory. Although, I think it's closer to - with approximate and terrible pseudo-diagrams! - how much power:

Quick used before going up against Iccy
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Quick can use without damaging himself
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Quick used against Iccy
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Quick's using now in RG
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I think his damaging limit has been lowered, but now he knows how much he can use safely, and is up to that limit. Or something.

[polishgenius]

The second explanation's more plausible and pretty much the one I espouse (though it's not quite the same as bodybuilding- if you overwork you'll pretty much tear muscles and ligaments and things. It's more like scar tissue being tougher than normal flesh, I reckon). The first one's not I think, because Quick did go to his limit against Icarium and past it. He nearly died, after all.